[Obdigore]

Anastoc -
Somehow, unless I am confused (entirely possible) Anas-Toc got back the bow and arrows made by Tool, and used it to blow off a mages head, as well as the mages linked counterpart. I would assume normal arrows wouldn't blow peoples heads off, but they didn't seem to be doing anything special to the other Letherri while he attempts to save the children.

I cannot think of another that really falls under the definition of actual weapons wielded that isn't already on the list.

[Silencer]

@Abyss, two points: First, there would still be a difference, as we see that Ruthan Gudd's blade basically has to manifest before it actually does anything. If he was just using it normally, I don't think it has many special properties. Same thing with Greymane's blade..as long as it's hidden, it's not like using the same weapon. (Otherwise it wouldn't fit into the scabbard)...I think my use of the word 'illusion' is probably off.

Second, did Dancer use a rope pre-ascension? He became known as the 'Rope' when he ascended...that'd be a bit of a dead giveaway to everyone if he used a rope during life (other than garotting people). He may have used it during Shadow Dances but I can't recall us seeing anywhere that he does - indeed, at the end of NoK he fashions two knives out of shadow...why would he do that if he's used to using a rope?

[Binder of Demons]

Been doing a re-read of the books since House of Chains, and one more weapon jumped out at me during Reapers Gale. It was a very detailed description of Badun Gruk's sword, as the various squads were getting ready to really start killing. It seemed slightly odd considering the only other weapons that get described thus usually turn out to be pretty important (or at least their wielder does).

So here is the description, Reapers Gale, TPb, pg701 (bottom of page)

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Badan Gruk studied the two men beside him for a moment longer, then he rose to his full height, coming very nearly Primly's shoulder, and drew out the TWO-HANDED SICKLE SWORD from it's DEER-HIDE HARNESS on his broad back. Adjusting his grip on the IVORY HANDLE, he eyed the TWO THIN OTATARAL BLADES INSET ON BOTH SIDES OF THE CURVED AND CARVED TUSK.
Vethbela, the weapon was called in his own language, Bonekisser, the blades not deep enough to do more than touch the long bones of a normal warrior's legs...........

The fact that it has otataral in it is possibly enough to get it on the list.

Since I'm about to finish Reaper's Gale again, I'll have to keep an eye out for Badan Gruk in the subsequent books and see if this was just a red herring.

This post has been edited by Binder of Demons: 31 October 2009 - 01:01 AM

[Edonidd]

I don't know if they are aspected or empowered or anything, and I can't recall ever seeing them in action, but what about the bhargast swords found in the boats with the founding families or whatever they were refered to as, the new-found ancient spirits/gods. Cafal (?) makes a point of showing them to Ganoes and says they won't let any normal warriors use them, because they are too different from everything they know, and they will give them to the children who will use them their entire lives and have to figure out how to wield them.

[Abyss]

Obdigore, on 30 October 2009 - 07:30 PM, said:

Anastoc -
Somehow, unless I am confused (entirely possible) Anas-Toc got back the bow and arrows made by Tool, and used it to blow off a mages head, as well as the mages linked counterpart....

I took the 'sploding heads as Toc nailing the one mage at exactly the right time to feedback the entire spell - yet another example of Toc being way better than he says he is.

Silencer, on 30 October 2009 - 10:05 PM, said:

..., did Dancer use a rope pre-ascension? ...indeed, at the end of NoK he fashions two knives out of shadow...why would he do that if he's used to using a rope?

Like any good assassin he's flexible, but i think we're safe in assuming he wouldn't have spontaneously started using the rope post-ascension if it wasn't already in his skill set.

Binder of Demons, on 31 October 2009 - 12:59 AM, said:

Been doing a re-read of the books since House of Chains, and one more weapon jumped out at me during Reapers Gale. It was a very detailed description of Badun Gruk's sword...The fact that it has otataral in it is possibly enough to get it on the list.
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Agreed. Added.

Edonidd, on 12 November 2009 - 08:20 PM, said:

I don't know if they are aspected or empowered or anything, and I can't recall ever seeing them in action, but what about the bhargast swords found in the boats...

The point (pun intended) with those swords was that they are forged and designed in a crtain way that Barghast have forgotten, but not that the blades themselves are invested or 'special' in any way that, say Letherii blue steel or a Liosan enamel weapon wouldn't be.



Updated again...

Dragnipur - Made by Draconus, taken by Rake, broken by Brood. Had the gate to Mommy D and a small world inside it, powered by souls, frikkin heavy. May kill with just a scratch.

Chance - Wielded by Paran, invested by Oponn, acquired by Cotillion. Was lucky for the wielder until it wasn't.

Otataral sword - Wielded by Adjunct Lorn, broken by Paran, shard used against Poliel, Trygalle took the rest. Negates magic. Tavore has the same kind of sword, tho' not the same one Lorn used. Can nullify warren magic (tho not Elder warrens). Tends to give the bearer healing and some kind of 'awareness'.

Tool's sword - His original sword and his later one were both two handed Imass stone swords, invested by Kilava to be unbreakable. Kilava's considerable power makes this more significant. The suggestion is made a few times that all Imass weapons are similarly invested, tho' we don't actually know if that's true. It was hinted that the knife and arrows Tool made for Toc were 'special'. If true, then any Imass weapon including Toc's, Stormy/Legana Breed's, Onrack's and so on might fit on this list... but i'm lazy so just take it as inferred...

Galayn Lord's axe - It didn't break going up against Dragnipur, which is saying something. Didn't help him much, mind you...

Icarium's single edged sword - It's not really clear if the sword itself is special, other than being really old. It did cut through Karsa's second wood sword in one swipe. And the Aptorian's head.

Icarium's arrows - Made from the Jaghut tree's branches, each arrow has a warren carved into it. We're not really clear on what this means other than being shot by one would suck.

Mappo's Mace - Basically an invested t-rex thigh bone. Smashes stuff real good.

Brood's Hammer - Can wake Burn. Which is apparently a bad thing. Also, smashes stuff real good.

Kallor's Big Ass Sword - It's big, it can cut through dragons, and it's as old as he is, which is saying alot.

Bauchelain and Korbal Broach's two handed swords - We don't really learn much about these but they use them efectively against undead Kell Hunters and honestly, would you expect these two to carry 'normal' weapons?

Brukhalian's sword - Empowered by Fener, it can cut a Jaghut/Herald of Death in the face.

Gethol's swords - It's not really clear whether these were empowered by Hood or Gethol himself, but since a 'Herald of Death' wouldn't be carrying around 'ordinary' big ass Jaghut weapons, here they are.

Gruntle's cutlasses - They're big. They cut stuff. They have tiger stripes!

Karsa's Bloodwood sword - sort of a catch-all for any Teblor weapons, kind of like Tool's sword for the Imass weapons. They are big sharp pieces of wood made from trees that grow in otataral-rich soil. For good measure they're smeared in bloodoil, which means MORE otataral. Self-repairs nicks and dents and does really weird things to horses and people who smell them. We won't dwell on just who is standing around sniffing Teblor swords...

The Rope's rope - This is a tricky one. Technically the 'rope' we see in HoC is a shadowstuff construct, but Dancer likely used a rope as a weapon before he ever ascended, so it's here but it's sort of a shady entry (heehee, see what i did there?).

Vengeance/Grief - Forged by Rake, then went to Andarist, then Traveller/Dessembrae. Makes a wielder of 'singular will' almost invulnerable. Still impressive for lesser people.

Bairoth Delum - Two handed stone sword made by Karsa. Invested by the Unbound to be unbreakable. Karsa's original two companions' ghosts live in it. So to speak.

Kalam's long knives - Acquired in HoC, the Wickan long knives are described as being as big as a short sword. One has otataral and was invested/made by Bellurdan. Stabs things really well. Negates magic.

Rhulad's sword - Made by Withal from shards of Silchas Ruin's two short swords that were shattered by a Matron just before he was betrayed by Scabby Bloodeye, this fine piece of work fights for the wielder, and links them to the Crippled God so that they die and come back to life, each time stronger and more skilled. And crazy. Presumably broken by Withal at the end of RG.

The Seguleh Second/Soldier(Knight) of Death's spear/lance - It 'sweats' when a convergence is happening (ew) and can pierce a Hound of Shadow. Apparently also serves as a homing beacon for the Soldier/Knight.

Glory Goat and Sarat Wept - two 'cursed' Letherii blue steel swords Brys and the Ceda gave to Silchas Ruin. They 'moan' when struck on steel. Goat apparently sounds like adying goat, go figure. Self-sharpening and self-healing of nicks and dents as long as they have enough material. Sarat was supposed to shatter when its wielder died, but didn't.

Bonekisser - Badun Gruk's sword. A two handed sickle shaped pointy thing with otataral blades stuck on for good measure.

Greymane's stone sword - appears to be linked to Burn in some way similar to Brood's hammer. Greymane can just 'summon' it from nowhere, tho' it's unclear if this is an ability of him or the sword.

Kyle's first sword - an ordinary long sword but 'blessed' by an avowed mage with an air symbol. Carries Osserc in it for a while before it breaks.

Osserc's sword - big shiny glowing blade that cuts through just about anything. Ossi gave this to Kyle to replace his earlier sword.

Rill's two longswords - originally wielded by a champion of Li Heng, Rill took these when Rylandaras was released and carried them through the book. They don't break, which is impressive considering some of the stuff he does with them.

Skinner's poison sword - unclear whether this is actually an invested weapon similar to his armour from Ardata, or Skinner just smears poo on the blade to be extra evil. The former seems more likely.

Spinnock Durav's longsword - a Hust blade, may have been broken by Kallor, tho being a Hust blade, it may grow back.

Ruthan Gudd's Stormrider sword - appears to give the wielder 'ice' magic, tho' it is damn cold and can kill them. Seems to react to sorcery.

The Watch's Hust blade - wielded by either Rake or Ruin, tossed in the sea when it broke but it grew back and was claimed by the Watch.

Rilk - Ublala's axe. Made from dragon parts.

Draconus' sword - it's not really clear in DoD just what it does but it's described as a great big black nasty thing and he basically conjures it, so here it is.


- Abyss, wants his own weapons now.

[Illuyankas]

So did I miss the 'Imass stone spear that Ruin recognised in dramatic fashion even though we never found out if it did anything special' discussion or something?

[HoosierDaddy]

I believe the Seguleh Second wielded it in Darujhistan v. the Hounds of Light?

[Illuyankas]

No, that was his spear. The stone Imass one is buried in Seren's doorway.

[Abyss]

And sure the spear is special in some emotional sense but by that token so was the sword Trull gave Seren at the end of MT or Brys' original sword that he gave the Guardian.

I'm wondering whether Clip's chain garrot belongs on the list tho'. I suppose if the Rope's rope is there than that belongs too.

I'm avoiding general categories like 'all Imass weapons', 'Letherii blue steel', etc. Which i suppose argues that Karsa's bloodwood should come out, but the otataral element suggested it was just a bit more special.



- Abyss, so special.

[Tehol]

re: Draconus's sword - it's name seems to be 'Darkness' - and I'm sure it will be the equivalent of, if not the big brother of, Dragnipur. Rather than 'containing' the gate to Dark - I think it is the gate itself, and Draconus 'forged' it through slaying the two armies (tens of thousands of souls). He also apologises to his 'love' (Mother Dark) once the sword is 'forged'... to me this implies he has either chained or contained Mother Dark in the sword... in the moment of her return.... heheh...

Only a year or so till we find out...

[Ben Adephon Delat]

Mother Dark was freed in TtH. Dragnipur contained Mother Dark but now it's broken she's free to be with her kids. His new sword is probably just a powerful sword but without the whole chaining thing Dragnipur had going for it. I never understood how chaining someone was the superior option to simply making them dead.

[Hellian's Keg Lid]

I'd say Draconus has plenty to apologise to Mother Dark for without him having to have done anything new

[Silencer]

The chaining option was not superior - originally the sword had sort of total 'finality' to it. When he was cursed by Kallor to be slain by his own weapon, in the interest of self preservation he made adjustments that turned Dragnipur into what we saw in the series.

As for his new sword...I doubt he's made something more powerful than Dragnipur's one-hit and you're screwed nature in the matter of a month. He started making Dragnipur before time even existed as a concept, and it was only completed a hundred thousand years or two before the books. And for some reason I doubt that ten or even fifty thousand souls are equivalent to the ascendants and dragons Draconus sacrificed to make the blade that *points at sig* had that as a wielder.

One thing I'm not in doubt about, is that his new sword will be bad ass. But personally, I think he's gone back to an old method. But who knows, maybe he just made the older version of Dragnipur with its finality. *shrug*

[Abyss]

Tehol, on 22 November 2009 - 12:19 PM, said:

re: Draconus's sword - it's name seems to be 'Darkness' - and I'm sure it will be the equivalent of, if not the big brother of, Dragnipur....

That's an interesting theory, but I don't think the sword has any direct comparison to Dragnipur other than both being made by Draconus. We saw in the RCG prologue that he was experimenting with a weapon that could derive power from ascendent souls. Nothing about Darkness suggested it does anything similar.

Ben Adephon Delat, on 22 November 2009 - 12:26 PM, said:

...I never understood how chaining someone was the superior option to simply making them dead.

For the CG, it was an option because he was just too powerful to kill. probably. it's never been expressly explained.

For Dragnipur there was a perceived (but incorrect) need for an ongoing ritual that would keep the gate to KG away from Chaos. the souls in dragnipur powered that ritual - Rake wasn't doing it as a preference over killing them so much as by necessity.

Silencer, on 22 November 2009 - 08:55 PM, said:

The chaining option was not superior - originally the sword had sort of total 'finality' to it. When he was cursed by Kallor to be slain by his own weapon, in the interest of self preservation he made adjustments that turned Dragnipur into what we saw in the series.

Now that's an interesting thought. I had figured the nature of Dragnipur was as it was for the whole 'save-mommy-d-from-chaos' thing. There was no built in escape or Drac would have used it long before TtH.

or are you saying that rather than just 'evaporate' souls, putting them to work yanking the chains meant they had more of a chance at survival.

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...One thing I'm not in doubt about, is that his new sword will be bad ass. But personally, I think he's gone back to an old method. But who knows, maybe he just made the older version of Dragnipur with its finality. *shrug*

I tend to agree that he just made a badass sword of darkness type thing. he turned two entire armies into popsicles just by showing up... whats a sword of focused power like THAT likely to do...


- Abyss, .. bets it also chills cocktails real good...

[Illuyankas]

I don't think the freezing thing was the sword, Draconus was just that

Spoiler

cool

*shades*

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[Abyss]

Illuyankas, on 23 November 2009 - 05:41 PM, said:

I don't think the freezing thing was the sword, Draconus was just that

Spoiler

cool

*shades*

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Rep delivered for sheer absurdity and sideways Claw Scenes Investigation ref.


- Abyss, could also say Draconus

Spoiler

chilled that scene right out. YYEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH....

[Ben Adephon Delat]

If Dragnipur was powered by Ascendants then I'd say having the ascendants alive but stuck in the sword would make it easier to get and keep their power than killing them and sucking their essence or something

[Abyss]

There is a certain logic to it - 'live' immortalish souls working towards something are an ongoing power source, as opposed to 'dead' souls.

- Abyss, soul-man.

[blackzoid]

We have seen several times, that creatures/Ascendents can resurrect themselves after death.
Either through dying they become Ascendents (Bridgeburners), Gods (Trake) or through just general resurrection (Paran/Rhulad)

Dragnipur would doubtless prevent any of that happening. After someone was killed with Dragnipur, they were not coming back. (Excepting the two Hounds that Paran was able to free). Even if Rhulad was killed, I imagine that his soul would have been stripped of the link to the Crippled God's sword and chained to the wagon in Dragnipur.
That was probably what Draconus was talking about when he wanted a weapon of finality. All Ascendent/Magical beings have no chance of getting back.

Plus he also needed the Gate of Darkness moved via the wagon. He didn't think that Dark could get away from Chaos without it. He was wrong.

As regards his sword in DoD, that may be a link to Mother Dark, first created during his time as Consort and then appropiated into Dragnipur. It may be a link to the Gate of Darkness, but with the Gate being unchained this time and free to wonder around.

This post has been edited by blackzoid: 23 November 2009 - 06:57 PM

[Abyss]

The very fact of him making the sword is odd, actually. From what we've seen of them, elder gods are plenty powerful without needing to carry around sharp pointy things to stick into people.

So presumably there's a reason the first thing Drac does after several hundred thousand years in Dragnipur isn't take a bath, it's not get drunk or get laid or, i dunno, change his underwear... it's make a big scary sword.

Hmmm...


- Abyss, personally, would have wanted a burger.