[Silencer]

I think, if it was Rake/what's left of him that was bound in the sword, Draconus would not have been asking MD for forgiveness. Or at least not just her. Given the way he was acting in Dragnipur, I'd say he'd have been damn near sobbing at doing such a thing.

[Tehol]

Silencer, on 27 November 2009 - 03:03 AM, said:

I think, if it was Rake/what's left of him that was bound in the sword, Draconus would not have been asking MD for forgiveness. Or at least not just her. Given the way he was acting in Dragnipur, I'd say he'd have been damn near sobbing at doing such a thing.

In all possibility, Draconus could be apologising to Mother Dark for what he is about to do.

It is a really interesting part of that event... and I think there is still a lot of the background story to MD / Drac / Rake yet to be told. Rake needed to apologise to Drac, Drac was like - no I should apologise to you, Rake dies and apologises to MD, she accepts.... Draconus returns to the world and apologises to MD.... I guess everyone's sorry.

This post has been edited by Tehol: 27 November 2009 - 11:20 AM

[Hellian's Keg Lid]

But Mother Dark is back in Kharkanas, free and reunited with the Shake/Sandalath/Black Coral...

Both have them have been imprisoned for millennia without communication, I think its pretty fitting the first words out of Draconus' mouth are an apology to her - which says enough in itself, added to what we saw of his changed personality in TtH - to explain his restraint.

[Grief]

Tehol, on 27 November 2009 - 01:02 AM, said:

I think you may be mixing things up a little. MD was never in Dragnipur, just the gate to KG. MD was not 'inactive' because of Dragnipur, she had chosen to 'turn w
away''. This has been linked to the point in time when her son, Rake, chose to drink from the blood of Tiam. (from memory). MD has now chosen to turn her face back towards 'existance'.

It is reasonable that she, as an embodiment, is free to act and be wherever she wants, but for the gate to KG to be bound to a sword once more... Or even for the essence of Rake to be bound to the sword, Darkness.

Toll the Hounds, page 751, Bantam press said:

Kadaspala, this was to be a cage. To keep Darkness in and Chaos out.

Toll the Hounds, Page 882, Bantam press said:

Anomander Rake, you need not ask. That begging, alas, must come from me.
This was Mother Dark I snared here. Your mother-
And so, what will you now do?

[Tehol]

Grief, on 27 November 2009 - 12:33 PM, said:

Tehol, on 27 November 2009 - 01:02 AM, said:

I think you may be mixing things up a little. MD was never in Dragnipur, just the gate to KG. MD was not 'inactive' because of Dragnipur, she had chosen to 'turn w
away''. This has been linked to the point in time when her son, Rake, chose to drink from the blood of Tiam. (from memory). MD has now chosen to turn her face back towards 'existance'.

It is reasonable that she, as an embodiment, is free to act and be wherever she wants, but for the gate to KG to be bound to a sword once more... Or even for the essence of Rake to be bound to the sword, Darkness.

Toll the Hounds, page 751, Bantam press said:

Kadaspala, this was to be a cage. To keep Darkness in and Chaos out.

Toll the Hounds, Page 882, Bantam press said:

Anomander Rake, you need not ask. That begging, alas, must come from me.
This was Mother Dark I snared here. Your mother-
And so, what will you now do?

Touché!

TtH, US TPB, p.111 said:

"Anomander took his first step on to the stone stairs.

And was held there, as her voice filled them.

No. Be warned, Anomander, dear son, from Andii blood is born a new world. Understand me. You and your kin are no longer alone, no longer free to play your vicious games. There are now . . . others.

Anomander spoke. 'Mother, did you imagine I would be surprised? Horrified? It could never be enough, to be naught but a mother, to create with hands closed upon no one. To yield so much of yourself, only to find us your only reward - us slayers, us betrayers.'

There is new blood within you.

'Yes.'

My son, what have you done?

'Like you, Mother, I have chosen to embrace change. Yes, there are others now. I sense them. There will be wars between us, and so I shall unite the Andii. Resistance is ending. Andarist, Drethdenan, Vanut Degalla. Silchas is fleeing, and so too Hish Tulla and Manalle. Civil strife is now over, Mother.'

You have killed Tiam. My son, do you realize what you have begun? Silchas flees, yes, and where do you think he goes? And the newborn, the others, what scent will draw them now, what taste of chaotic power? Anomander, in murder you seek peace, and now the blood flows and there shall be no peace, not ever again.

I forsake you, Anomander blood of Tiam, Dragnipurake. I deny my first children all. You shall wander the realms, bereft of purpose. You deeds shall avail you nothing. Your lives shall spawn death unending. The Dark - my heart - is closed to you, closed to you all.

And, as Anomander stood unmoving, Endest Silann cried out behind him, falling to his knees in bruising collapse. A hand of power reached into him, tore something loose, then was gone - something, yes, that he would one day call by its name: Hope.

Also, consider the fact that MD was inside Aranatha for the whole period leading up to the scenes in Dragnipur. MD was not inside Dragnipur. In Draconus saying 'This was Mother Dark I snared here. Your mother-' I think either Draconus is speaking in a general way about the Gate... or, he is meaning that by trapping the Gate, with Chaos pursuing it, he has snared MD in the sense that should chaos catch the Gate, MD would be screwed.

But I could be wrong. Certainly it is a complex thing.

[Tehol]

I know this topic is getting old... but ti seemed the most appropriate place for the following quote, which kinda confirms that Darkness is a 'new' version of Dragnipur...

[quote name='DoD p.646 TPB.... Mael speaking]
'And Draconus walks free. Draconus has broken Kallor's curse on him. He holds darkness in a blade of annihilation. No longer chained, no longer on the run, no longer haunted by the terrible error in judgement that was Dragnipur.'
[/quote]

[Hetan]

Here's another :-

Quote

Atri-Ceda Aranict : Draconus. He is the one who arrived in darkness, who made a gate that stole half the sky, who holds in his hand a weapon of darkness and cold, of blackest ice.

I have to admit, Draconus is one character that interests me immensely.
Regarding the resurrection spoken about earlier in this thread - in my mind there can be only one - Tiam.
The others, as has been pointed out, did not die - they had either ascended, or were imprisoned and then released.

[Abyss]

Couple of updates and changes...

Dragnipur - Made by Draconus, taken by Rake, broken by Brood. Had the gate to Mommy D and a small world inside it, powered by souls, frikkin heavy. May kill with just a scratch.

Chance - Wielded by Paran, invested by Oponn, acquired by Cotillion. Was lucky for the wielder until it wasn't.

Otataral sword - Wielded by Adjunct Lorn, broken by Paran, shard used against Poliel, Trygalle took the rest. Negates magic. Tavore has the same kind of sword, tho' not the same one Lorn used. Can nullify warren magic (tho not Elder warrens). Tends to give the bearer healing and some kind of 'awareness'.

Tool's sword - His original sword and his later one were both two handed Imass stone swords, invested by Kilava to be unbreakable. Kilava's considerable power makes this more significant. The suggestion is made a few times that all Imass weapons are similarly invested, tho' we don't actually know if that's true. It was hinted that the knife and arrows Tool made for Toc were 'special'. If true, then any Imass weapon including Toc's, Stormy/Legana Breed's, Onrack's and so on might fit on this list... but i'm lazy so just take it as inferred...

Galayn Lord's axe - It didn't break going up against Dragnipur, which is saying something. Didn't help him much, mind you...

Icarium's single edged sword - It's not really clear if the sword itself is special, other than being really old. It did cut through Karsa's second wood sword in one swipe. And the Aptorian's head.

Icarium's arrows - Made from the Jaghut tree's branches, each arrow has a warren carved into it. We're not really clear on what this means other than being shot by one would suck.

Mappo's Mace - Basically an invested t-rex thigh bone. Smashes stuff real good.

Brood's Hammer - Can wake Burn. Which is apparently a bad thing. Also, smashes stuff real good.

Kallor's Big Ass Sword - It's big, it can cut through dragons, and it's as old as he is, which is saying alot.

Bauchelain and Korbal Broach's two handed swords - We don't really learn much about these but they use them efectively against undead Kell Hunters and honestly, would you expect these two to carry 'normal' weapons?

Brukhalian's sword - Empowered by Fener, it can cut a Jaghut/Herald of Death in the face.

Gethol's swords - It's not really clear whether these were empowered by Hood or Gethol himself, but since a 'Herald of Death' wouldn't be carrying around 'ordinary' big ass Jaghut weapons, here they are.

Gruntle's cutlasses - They're big. They cut stuff. They have tiger stripes!

Karsa's Bloodwood sword - sort of a catch-all for any Teblor weapons, kind of like Tool's sword for the Imass weapons. They are big sharp pieces of wood made from trees that grow in otataral-rich soil. For good measure they're smeared in bloodoil, which means MORE otataral. Self-repairs nicks and dents and does really weird things to horses and people who smell them. We won't dwell on just who is standing around sniffing Teblor swords...

The Rope's rope - This is a tricky one. Technically the 'rope' we see in HoC is a shadowstuff construct, but Dancer likely used a rope as a weapon before he ever ascended, so it's here but it's sort of a shady entry (heehee, see what i did there?).

Vengeance/Grief - Forged by Rake, then went to Andarist, then Traveller/Dessembrae. Makes a wielder of 'singular will' almost invulnerable. Still impressive for lesser people.

Bairoth Delum - Two handed stone sword made by Karsa. Invested by the Unbound to be unbreakable. Karsa's original two companions' ghosts live in it. So to speak.

Kalam's long knives - Acquired in HoC, the Wickan long knives are described as being as big as a short sword. One has otataral and was invested/made by Bellurdan. Stabs things really well. Negates magic.

Rhulad's sword - Made by Withal from shards of Silchas Ruin's two short swords that were shattered by a Matron just before he was betrayed by Scabby Bloodeye, this fine piece of work fights for the wielder, and links them to the Crippled God so that they die and come back to life, each time stronger and more skilled. And crazy. Presumably broken by Withal at the end of RG.

Faradan Sort's Stormwall blade - We never actually see this weapon - just its scabbard - but everyone who sees the scabbard says the sword is a big deal.

The Seguleh Second/Soldier(Knight) of Death's spear/lance - It 'sweats' when a convergence is happening (ew) and can pierce a Hound of Shadow. Apparently also serves as a homing beacon for the Soldier/Knight.

Glory Goat and Sarat Wept - two 'cursed' Letherii blue steel swords Brys and the Ceda gave to Silchas Ruin. They 'moan' when struck on steel. Goat apparently sounds like adying goat, go figure. Self-sharpening and self-healing of nicks and dents as long as they have enough material. Sarat was supposed to shatter when its wielder died, but didn't.

Clip's chain - It opens gates to Elder warrens, it slices throats, it annoys the fnck out of everyone!

Bonekisser - Marine Badun Gruk's sword. A two handed sickle shaped pointy thing with otataral blades stuck on for good measure.

Imass Spear - Seren finds a peculiar Imass spear in RG. Clip and Silchas both confirm it is 'extra special' and Trull uses it to beat Clip thoroughly.

Greymane's stone sword - appears to be linked to Burn in some way similar to Brood's hammer. Greymane can just 'summon' it from nowhere, tho' it's unclear if this is an ability of him or the sword.

Kyle's first sword - an ordinary long sword but 'blessed' by an avowed mage with an air symbol. Carries Osserc in it for a while before it breaks.

Osserc's sword - big shiny glowing blade that cuts through just about anything. Ossi gave this to Kyle to replace his earlier sword.

Rill's two longswords - originally wielded by a champion of Li Heng, Rill took these when Rylandaras was released and carried them through the book. They don't break, which is impressive considering some of the stuff he does with them.

Skinner's poison sword - unclear whether this is actually an invested weapon similar to his armour from Ardata, or Skinner just smears poo on the blade to be extra evil. The former seems more likely.

Spinnock Durav's longsword - a Hust blade, may have been broken by Kallor, tho being a Hust blade, it may grow back.

Ruthan Gudd's Stormrider sword - appears to give the wielder 'ice' magic, tho' it is damn cold and can kill them. Seems to react to sorcery.

The Watch's Hust blade - wielded by either Rake or Ruin, tossed in the sea when it broke but it grew back and was claimed by the Watch.

Rilk - Ublala's axe. Made from dragon parts.

Darkness - Draconus' new sword. It's not really clear in DoD just what it does but it's described as a great big black nasty thing and he basically conjures it over the bodies of two entire armies, so here it is.

[Aptorian]

Stuff to be added to the list:

Broods hammer was used to forge the chains in Dragnipur.

Also, Did Grunttles swords really have tiger stripes? I thought they simply looked like big ivory teeth (that's what they were described looking like towards the end of MoI)

[Bauchelain the Evil]

Yes they have it's mentioned various times through MoI, maybe TtH and surely in DoD that they have the same motif as the stripes on his skin and that they appeared by the same time he became to look like a tiger-man.

[Fiddler]

Whatever happened to the Imass sword that Stormy was given by that one T'lan Imass who took a Tiste Andii's head up to seal that rift when they 'acquired' the Silanda?

[Silencer]

He gave it back to the Imass, who came a-knocking in BH during the Malaz City scene. Hasn't been seen since.

[geNESis]

What about Torvald Nom's Blue Moranth Sharpers and Axe, though I don't know if the axe is invested with magic like the munitions are.

[Fenner's Teats]

Here is one, didn't read the whole thread so I don't know if someone missed this.

ok, in DoD you can't forget the sword (I think it was Badalle) was carrying after entering Icarius. Crystal sword with what appeared to be fire in it. Just play of light or investment who knows. Could play a role in the future.

Also anyone notice that Gudd noted (before engaging the short tails that his horse was frosted over and was "Already dead beneath him" yet he rode his horse into battle???? so either the horse didn't know it was dead or this is a cool (figuratively) sword.

Teats

This post has been edited by Fenner's Teats: 27 February 2010 - 11:12 PM

[Sinisdar Toste]

he also says that the ice was answering his commands, so, if it was born from the sword, than yeah. thats swords ice cold baby

[Trull's son]

Fid's lobber -- shoots 'splosions far

[Sheve]

Jaghut Jhennas swords in NoC?
Cotillions Daggers and rope?
Cowl mentions having invested weapons that might be able to reach Tay in RoTCG.
The half Jhag that fights(and survives) Dassem ultor in 7c(Tale told by whiskyjack when talking about QB souls)used a invested sword of somekind.

Just some magic weapons i could think of.

[Abyss]

Aptorian, on 20 January 2010 - 04:44 PM, said:

...Broods hammer was used to forge the chains in Dragnipur....

will add.

geNESis, on 27 February 2010 - 09:41 PM, said:

What about Torvald Nom's Blue Moranth Sharpers and Axe, though I don't know if the axe is invested with magic like the munitions are.

did we learn anything about the axe other than it exists?

Fenner, on 27 February 2010 - 11:11 PM, said:

Here is one, didn't read the whole thread so I don't know if someone missed this.

ok, in DoD you can't forget the sword (I think it was Badalle) was carrying after entering Icarius. Crystal sword with what appeared to be fire in it. Just play of light or investment who knows. Could play a role in the future.

It's basically a piece of debris she picks up. Could change in the future but i don't know if it belongs on the list now.

Quote

Also anyone notice that Gudd noted (before engaging the short tails that his horse was frosted over and was "Already dead beneath him" yet he rode his horse into battle???? so either the horse didn't know it was dead or this is a cool (figuratively) sword.
...

Yeah, the horse is coated in ice and dies but the ice continues to obey Gudd. cool stuff, that.

Trull, on 28 February 2010 - 03:59 AM, said:

Fid's lobber -- shoots 'splosions far

Oh hell, why not...

Sheve, on 01 March 2010 - 11:42 AM, said:

Jaghut Jhennas swords in NoC?
Cotillions Daggers and rope?
Cowl mentions having invested weapons that might be able to reach Tay in RoTCG.
The half Jhag that fights(and survives) Dassem ultor in 7c(Tale told by whiskyjack when talking about QB souls)used a invested sword of somekind.

I suspect Jehnna's fall in the Gethol/general Jaghut category, tho i'm open to suggestion otherwise.

Cots' rope is on there. His daggers... up until that snippet of TCG we reenty saw i would have disagreed, but maybe... otoh, pretty much any Talon/Claw weapon is half likely to be invested to some degree... similarly Cowl's weapons...

The last one definitely refs an investment - worth adding - anyone remember the Jhag's name?


- Abyss, listkeeperish.

[Bauchelain the Evil]

The Jhag name was Set'alahd Crool and he had a fiery sword empowered by an unknown Ascendent

[Abyss]

Updated again!!!

Dragnipur - Made by Draconus, taken by Rake, broken by Brood. Had the gate to Mommy D and a small world inside it, powered by souls, frikkin heavy. May kill with just a scratch.

Chance - Wielded by Paran, invested by Oponn, acquired by Cotillion. Was lucky for the wielder until it wasn't.

Otataral sword - Wielded by Adjunct Lorn, broken by Paran, shard used against Poliel, Trygalle took the rest. Negates magic. Tavore has the same kind of sword, tho' not the same one Lorn used. Can nullify warren magic (tho not Elder warrens). Tends to give the bearer healing and some kind of 'awareness'.

Tool's sword - His original sword and his later one were both two handed Imass stone swords, invested by Kilava to be unbreakable. Kilava's considerable power makes this more significant. The suggestion is made a few times that all Imass weapons are similarly invested, tho' we don't actually know if that's true. It was hinted that the knife and arrows Tool made for Toc were 'special'. If true, then any Imass weapon including Toc's, Stormy/Legana Breed's, Onrack's and so on might fit on this list... but i'm lazy so just take it as inferred...

Galayn Lord's axe - It didn't break going up against Dragnipur, which is saying something. Didn't help him much, mind you...

Lobber crossbow - custom made crossbow used by Hedge, Fiddler and a few others through the series. It shoots munitions. BOOM.

Icarium's single edged sword - It's not really clear if the sword itself is special, other than being really old. It did cut through Karsa's second wood sword in one swipe. And the Aptorian's head.

Icarium's arrows - Made from the Jaghut tree's branches, each arrow has a warren carved into it. We're not really clear on what this means other than being shot by one would suck.

Mappo's Mace - Basically an invested t-rex thigh bone. Smashes stuff real good.

Brood's Hammer - Can wake Burn. Which is apparently a bad thing. Also, smashes stuff real good. Was used by Draconus to forge chains, either Dragnipur's or the ones used to chain the CG, not sure.

Kallor's Big Ass Sword - It's big, it can cut through dragons, and it's as old as he is, which is saying alot.

Set'alahd Crool's sword - "...a fiery sword empowered by an unknown Ascendent...".

Bauchelain and Korbal Broach's two handed swords - We don't really learn much about these but they use them efectively against undead Kell Hunters and honestly, would you expect these two to carry 'normal' weapons?

Brukhalian's sword - Empowered by Fener, it can cut a Jaghut/Herald of Death in the face.

Gethol's swords - It's not really clear whether these were empowered by Hood or Gethol himself, but since a 'Herald of Death' wouldn't be carrying around 'ordinary' big ass Jaghut weapons, here they are. If all Jaghut weapons are 'special', then Jhenna from NoK and the 14 Jaghut soldiers' weapons would also fit.

Gruntle's cutlasses - They're big. They cut stuff. They have tiger stripes!

Karsa's Bloodwood sword - sort of a catch-all for any Teblor weapons, kind of like Tool's sword for the Imass weapons. They are big sharp pieces of wood made from trees that grow in otataral-rich soil. For good measure they're smeared in bloodoil, which means MORE otataral. Self-repairs nicks and dents and does really weird things to horses and people who smell them. We won't dwell on just who is standing around sniffing Teblor swords...

The Rope's rope - This is a tricky one. Technically the 'rope' we see in HoC is a shadowstuff construct, but Dancer likely used a rope as a weapon before he ever ascended, so it's here but it's sort of a shady entry, ditto his knives (heehee, see what i did there?).

Vengeance/Grief - Forged by Rake, then went to Andarist, then Traveller/Dessembrae. Makes a wielder of 'singular will' almost invulnerable. Still impressive for lesser people.

Bairoth Delum - Two handed stone sword made by Karsa. Invested by the Unbound to be unbreakable. Karsa's original two companions' ghosts live in it. So to speak.

Kalam's long knives - Acquired in HoC, the Wickan long knives are described as being as big as a short sword. One has otataral and was invested/made by Bellurdan. Stabs things really well. Negates magic.

Rhulad's sword - Made by Withal from shards of Silchas Ruin's two short swords that were shattered by a Matron just before he was betrayed by Scabby Bloodeye, this fine piece of work fights for the wielder, and links them to the Crippled God so that they die and come back to life, each time stronger and more skilled. And crazy. Presumably broken by Withal at the end of RG.

Faradan Sort's Stormwall blade - We never actually see this weapon - just its scabbard - but everyone who sees the scabbard says the sword is a big deal.

The Seguleh Second/Soldier(Knight) of Death's spear/lance - It 'sweats' when a convergence is happening (ew) and can pierce a Hound of Shadow. Apparently also serves as a homing beacon for the Soldier/Knight.

Glory Goat and Sarat Wept - two 'cursed' Letherii blue steel swords Brys and the Ceda gave to Silchas Ruin. They 'moan' when struck on steel. Goat apparently sounds like adying goat, go figure. Self-sharpening and self-healing of nicks and dents as long as they have enough material. Sarat was supposed to shatter when its wielder died, but didn't.

Clip's chain - It opens gates to Elder warrens, it slices throats, it annoys the fnck out of everyone!

Bonekisser - Marine Badun Gruk's sword. A two handed sickle shaped pointy thing with otataral blades stuck on for good measure.

Imass Spear - Seren finds a peculiar Imass spear in RG. Clip and Silchas both confirm it is 'extra special' and Trull uses it to beat Clip thoroughly.

Greymane's stone sword - appears to be linked to Burn in some way similar to Brood's hammer. Greymane can just 'summon' it from nowhere, tho' it's unclear if this is an ability of him or the sword.

Kyle's first sword - an ordinary long sword but 'blessed' by an avowed mage with an air symbol. Carries Osserc in it for a while before it breaks.

Osserc's sword - big shiny glowing blade that cuts through just about anything. Ossi gave this to Kyle to replace his earlier sword.

Rill's two longswords - originally wielded by a champion of Li Heng, Rill took these when Rylandaras was released and carried them through the book. They don't break, which is impressive considering some of the stuff he does with them.

Skinner's poison sword - unclear whether this is actually an invested weapon similar to his armour from Ardata, or Skinner just smears poo on the blade to be extra evil. The former seems more likely.

Spinnock Durav's longsword - a Hust blade, may have been broken by Kallor, tho being a Hust blade, it may grow back.

Ruthan Gudd's Stormrider sword - appears to give the wielder 'ice' magic, tho' it is damn cold and can kill them. Seems to react to sorcery.

The Watch's Hust blade - wielded by either Rake or Ruin, tossed in the sea when it broke but it grew back and was claimed by the Watch.

Rilk - Ublala's axe. Made from dragon parts.

Darkness - Draconus' new sword. It's not really clear in DoD just what it does but it's described as a great big black nasty thing and he basically conjures it over the bodies of two entire armies, so here it is.