[Tattersail_]

kingnothing, on 09 August 2010 - 10:26 AM, said:

Tattersail, on 09 August 2010 - 10:21 AM, said:

I think that there will be an Azath house in Kolanse. The azath have been a recurrent theme throughout the series, and I think this is how Paran will get to kolanse in the first place maybe??

Oh my effin god!!! Just thinking about paran emerging from an azath house followed by the Host to woop some FA ass just blew my mind. And it was even more amazing since as I was reading it I was listening to the 'INCEPTION' soundtrack!!
Could you imagine that music playing to Paran emerging out of the azath when all hope seems to be lost??? Oh god I have shivers and I don't even care if it won't happen haha

That give me goodebumps as well, I did not know what I was dfoing at the time but someone mentioned that the last book has to be set in the same area as DoD, then I was thinking about Paran and how he would get there super quick from seven cities, and then it hit me, the Azath, why not? they are evrywhere aren't they, it is plausible!! Otherwise he would have to show Paran's journey, and this may take to long in the scope of things! it does sound awesome!!

[kingnothing]

Tattersail, on 09 August 2010 - 10:56 AM, said:

kingnothing, on 09 August 2010 - 10:26 AM, said:

Tattersail, on 09 August 2010 - 10:21 AM, said:

I think that there will be an Azath house in Kolanse. The azath have been a recurrent theme throughout the series, and I think this is how Paran will get to kolanse in the first place maybe??

Oh my effin god!!! Just thinking about paran emerging from an azath house followed by the Host to woop some FA ass just blew my mind. And it was even more amazing since as I was reading it I was listening to the 'INCEPTION' soundtrack!!
Could you imagine that music playing to Paran emerging out of the azath when all hope seems to be lost??? Oh god I have shivers and I don't even care if it won't happen haha

That give me goodebumps as well, I did not know what I was dfoing at the time but someone mentioned that the last book has to be set in the same area as DoD, then I was thinking about Paran and how he would get there super quick from seven cities, and then it hit me, the Azath, why not? they are evrywhere aren't they, it is plausible!! Otherwise he would have to show Paran's journey, and this may take to long in the scope of things! it does sound awesome!!

It's so crazy that it makes perfect sense for paran to use the azath. I wonder how far from truth that actually is....

[GingerBreadMan]

If there is an Azath there I think it will play a bigger role than a gateway..

Cotillion has hinted that the Azath are losing a battle and that is why he and Shadowthrone have gotten involved..so I suspect they will try to reinvigorate the Azath and keep away chaos.

He also mentions that the Azath are powered by forgotten elementals

Perhaps they intend to stop the chaos that is caused by the Soletaken Eleint and perhaps they will take it even further and try to trap Gods?

Like the Path of Hands but on a larger scale, leading all the major powers of the universe into one massive trap that will both push back chaos AND strengthen the Azath(and presumably Shadowthrone)

[The Tiger of Summer]

Surviving Bonehunters: Fiddler, Hedge, Tarr, Smiles and Koryk, Corabb Bhin Thu'alas, BOTTLE!!! Deadsmell, Throatslitter, The Ashok Squad, Hellian, Touchy and Brethless, Crump, Nefarias Bredd, Faradan Sort, the Adjunct, Lostara Yil etc. I don't see Erikson carving these characters out of the picture as he seems fond of each. Oh yah, Skulldeath too... I just finished my second lap of Reaper's Gale and haven't re-read Dust of Dreams yet to confirm all these folks are around, but these are my guesses for survivors. I don't think Quick Ben died either. I think he will end up in Kharakanas somehow because of the Magus of Dark card Fiddler dealt him at the reading.

As for the Crip himself, I think he'll be unchained but I don't think he'll be the good guy people are dreaming him up to be. Re-read the end of Bonehunters and tell me you think his City of the Fallen is something for goodguys. I would love to see the efficacy of Broods Hammer. Right to the Crippled God's Unchained Face, however unlikely. The feel I'm getting is, take away the chains, and you take away his power, but how do you release the chains? That Ritual was woven by Elder Gods and other glorious ascendants (Gothos, Hood, Brood, yada yada) Will they all have to agree to his release, perhaps like the scene with the T'rohlbarahl at the beginning of Bonehunters? Maybe Paran and CG will have a reckoning of some kind. Perhaps he will be mauled by Gesler and Stormy's Rampaging Lizard Brigade. Too many possibilities although the Crip is pretty potent. He has been foiled time and time again, like Dr. Claw from Inspector Gadget... I doubt Dr. Claw had Floating Jade Space Giants from the Moon. Not in any episode I've ever seen.

I can't wait for Toc and Tool to reunite. They have missed eachother by minutes a few times now. Toc will get it right in the end. I hope so for the world's sake. The First Sword: Angry Mega Imass Mode post-Hetan's hobbling was a sight to see. Scared me. Tool is one of my favorite characters of the series.

Who do you think will be promoted to Fist now that Keneb and Blistig are out?
Fiddler? Faradan Sort? Ruthan Gudd was awesome. I wish he lived.

so much left to happen i don't know how he'll do it.
oh yah i do...


more books.

[poeg]

The exclusion of many ascendants I can let slide but not paying close attention to the every evolving Ganoes Paran is a laughable offence. Logically he's the wild card and as I see it not the master of any aspect of "The Hounds" but their potential alpha. Add that to his triple threat ascendancy of MoD, Bridgeburner and what appears to be an aspect of "The Hounds" within him, he's where I pin all my hopes for an elemental representative of his ages humanity. Let's not also forget he's willing to do whatever is necessary to balance things out. If there's to be any hope for the myriad misunderstood baddies (its all perspective anyway), we'll find it in his character.

[T'renn]

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Who do you think will be promoted to Fist now that Keneb and Blistig are out?
Fiddler? Faradan Sort? Ruthan Gudd was awesome. I wish he lived.

I think it will be the most senior captain alive
Say hello to Fist Kindly

[Ceda Cicero]

Tattersail, on 09 August 2010 - 10:56 AM, said:

kingnothing, on 09 August 2010 - 10:26 AM, said:

Tattersail, on 09 August 2010 - 10:21 AM, said:

I think that there will be an Azath house in Kolanse. The azath have been a recurrent theme throughout the series, and I think this is how Paran will get to kolanse in the first place maybe??

Oh my effin god!!! Just thinking about paran emerging from an azath house followed by the Host to woop some FA ass just blew my mind. And it was even more amazing since as I was reading it I was listening to the 'INCEPTION' soundtrack!!
Could you imagine that music playing to Paran emerging out of the azath when all hope seems to be lost??? Oh god I have shivers and I don't even care if it won't happen haha

That give me goodebumps as well, I did not know what I was dfoing at the time but someone mentioned that the last book has to be set in the same area as DoD, then I was thinking about Paran and how he would get there super quick from seven cities, and then it hit me, the Azath, why not? they are evrywhere aren't they, it is plausible!! Otherwise he would have to show Paran's journey, and this may take to long in the scope of things! it does sound awesome!!

Is it at all feasible that Paran is already in or around Kolanse? The last we truly saw of him was when Picker "skyped" him in the Azath at D'istan, and he told her that they'd just landed in a huge mess. Obviously there are many, many "huge messes" across Wu and in almost every warren that would be equally as likely, no reason to believe it's Kolanse. But what if they get there and Paran is already there?

[Ceda Cicero]

D, on 28 July 2010 - 02:57 PM, said:

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on 28 July 2010 - 09:39 AM, said:

worrywort, on 27 July 2010 - 05:42 PM, said:

This is only a guess but I'm gonna spoiler it anyway:

Spoiler

Hood

Spoiler

Personally I was thinking the Knight of Shadows...... and the healing of Kurald E

I favour more with worrywort's, simply because of the "and its what all the others are leading up to" bit.

I'm thinking

Spoiler

Heboric. That would fit with what we saw at the beginning of DoD. Also ties in gods of War (Fener and Trake at least), Jade Giants and Otataral, all of which I think we can safely assume are going to play huge, huge roles in tCG.

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This post has been edited by Ciceronian: 16 November 2010 - 08:47 PM

[Abyss]

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on 25 October 2010 - 07:11 PM, said:

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Who do you think will be promoted to Fist now that Keneb and Blistig are out?
Fiddler? Faradan Sort? Ruthan Gudd was awesome. I wish he lived.

I think it will be the most senior captain alive
Say hello to Fist Kindly

And Captain Hellian.

Ciceronian, on 16 November 2010 - 08:39 PM, said:

...Is it at all feasible that Paran is already in or around Kolanse? The last we truly saw of him was when Picker "skyped" him in the Azath at D'istan, and he told her that they'd just landed in a huge mess. Obviously there are many, many "huge messes" across Wu and in almost every warren that would be equally as likely, no reason to believe it's Kolanse. But what if they get there and Paran is already there?

Entirely possible, but the storyline may jump back in time to show us how he got there and ended up in trouble.

Or Tavore's troops may discover Paran and what's left of the Host, them having arrived and gotten their butts kicked.

Either way it's all good. I lean towards expecting the latter because Paran's Host is basically peopled by a fairly disposable set of characters who have received minimal development. They could be killed off to make the point that the enemy is that nasty or just to set up Paran's status for the book. SE did that with the Grey Swords back in RG.

[Tather Demaleon]

I don't care what happens aslong as Paran gets attention, and Toc kills Tool.

[Lister of Smeg]

I bet the first 100-200 pages won't even mention the Bonehunters, just so SE can leave us hanging a little longer about who made it through the Nah'ruk (but not through their digestive tracts, methinks). If I haven't read about them in the first 50 pages, I'm skipping forward to the point where they appear.

I'm hoping the first paragraph will be something like:

"Throatslitter wandered through the disorganised Bonhunter camp, Deadsmell at his side. They past Fiddler's squad, intact except for Koryk, and next to them Sinter, Balm and Urb were discussing what came next. Just beyond them, Fist Kindly and Fist Neffarious Bredd walked past ..."

Or something like that. Please, SE, I need to know ASAP if these guys made it through!

[D'rek]

Re-read a few random scenes of TtH recently, and some interesting bits that lead to crazy speculation:

1. The Builder Nimander encounters at Gotho's place, who builds a tower and disappears. When Nimander comes out, Gothos says "I was saving that one!". Personally I think when Gothos was going into the Azaths and they disappear, Gothos is taking them to specific locations. Hence, I think he was keeping the Builder around as he intended to create an Azath somewhere soon, so I'm anticipating a part in tCG where an Azath is supposed to show and doesn't, or something like that. Also it's apparently a big deal that there was/is an Azath in the blood of dragons, or something like that.

2. Toc/Bruk/Iskar Jarak tells Gruntle that the members of his Legion aren't with Hood's dead. So a possible undead Trake Legion sort of force showing up. Could go well with the wolf-eaten Grey Swords speculation.

3. I fully expect the undead dragon from TtH (not Tulas Shorn, the one that talks to Kallor) to show up and be, in fact, the dragon that shaped the warren of Hood's Path (and to be named Merrid).

[L'oric]

Lately I have been thinking that the crippled god would assume the aspect of the imperial warren much like the beast throne and the Wolves of Winter. The Malazan Book of the Fallen would then add the aspect of being about the Fallen God.

The new warrens created by Icarium would be used by Grub and Sinn and become what the imperial warren is today a masterless warren for the Malazan Empire mages to use paving the way for Grub to eventually become First Sword of the Empire with someone other than Mallick Rel as Emperor.



Wild Winternight conjectures...

[Ceda Cicero]

Abyss, on 16 November 2010 - 09:01 PM, said:

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on 25 October 2010 - 07:11 PM, said:

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Who do you think will be promoted to Fist now that Keneb and Blistig are out?
Fiddler? Faradan Sort? Ruthan Gudd was awesome. I wish he lived.

I think it will be the most senior captain alive
Say hello to Fist Kindly

And Captain Hellian.

Ciceronian, on 16 November 2010 - 08:39 PM, said:

...Is it at all feasible that Paran is already in or around Kolanse? The last we truly saw of him was when Picker "skyped" him in the Azath at D'istan, and he told her that they'd just landed in a huge mess. Obviously there are many, many "huge messes" across Wu and in almost every warren that would be equally as likely, no reason to believe it's Kolanse. But what if they get there and Paran is already there?

Entirely possible, but the storyline may jump back in time to show us how he got there and ended up in trouble.

Or Tavore's troops may discover Paran and what's left of the Host, them having arrived and gotten their butts kicked.

Either way it's all good. I lean towards expecting the latter because Paran's Host is basically peopled by a fairly disposable set of characters who have received minimal development. They could be killed off to make the point that the enemy is that nasty or just to set up Paran's status for the book. SE did that with the Grey Swords back in RG.

I would not be at all opposed to the first 1/4 of the book focusing exclusively on Paran ala Karsa in HoC, backtracking and then ending with him and the Host arriving in Kolanse, while the rest of the finale shifts back to the Bonehunters and company working their way towards converging with them. Mind you, I don't think this will actually happen, but it seems to me like something Erikson would do - leave us on the edge of our seats at the end of DoD and then keep us squirming by shifting his focus away from the Wastelands entirely for a few hundred pages.

[King Bear]

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I would not be at all opposed to the first 1/4 of the book focusing exclusively on Paran ala Karsa in HoC, backtracking and then ending with him and the Host arriving in Kolanse, while the rest of the finale shifts back to the Bonehunters and company working their way towards converging with them. Mind you, I don't think this will actually happen, but it seems to me like something Erikson would do - leave us on the edge of our seats at the end of DoD and then keep us squirming by shifting his focus away from the Wastelands entirely for a few hundred pages.
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**SPOILER**






SE definitely 'left us on the edge of our seats' re: bonehunters in the opening chapter, found on the Tor site. The bonehunters didn't appear in that, and were only referred to briefly, in the conversation between Krul and Mael. I'm thinking either that the next chapter will be on them, or we won't see them for a while. There are soooo many other arcs he could run with first, if he wanted to leave us hanging.

This post has been edited by Bombur: 10 February 2011 - 12:02 PM

[warbob]

If you ask me - continueing SE's very philosophical and intelligent style, everything will clash and slash and stuff ... and then Burn will say "Damn you I don't care about you at all! I am tired of you all using powers upon my creation , i'm tired of your sick manipulations , i'm tired of cripple god poisoning me!I will destroy the world and remake it once again ... " etc SE says - dude we're insignificant,our lifes have no meaning and everything can end just so suddenly. THE END ?

[Ceda Cicero]

I hope that this, verbatim, is how it ends.

warbob, on 11 February 2011 - 06:57 PM, said:

"Damn you I don't care about you at all! I am tired of you all using powers upon my creation , i'm tired of your sick manipulations , i'm tired of cripple god poisoning me!I will destroy the world and remake it once again ... "

And that this, verbatim, is SE's afterword (including the emoticon.)

warbob, on 11 February 2011 - 06:57 PM, said:

dude we're insignificant,our lifes have no meaning and everything can end just so suddenly. THE END ?

[Jade-Green Pig-Hog Swine-Beast]

Abyss, on 16 November 2010 - 09:01 PM, said:

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on 25 October 2010 - 07:11 PM, said:

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Who do you think will be promoted to Fist now that Keneb and Blistig are out?
Fiddler? Faradan Sort? Ruthan Gudd was awesome. I wish he lived.

I think it will be the most senior captain alive
Say hello to Fist Kindly

And Captain Hellian.

Ciceronian, on 16 November 2010 - 08:39 PM, said:

...Is it at all feasible that Paran is already in or around Kolanse? The last we truly saw of him was when Picker "skyped" him in the Azath at D'istan, and he told her that they'd just landed in a huge mess. Obviously there are many, many "huge messes" across Wu and in almost every warren that would be equally as likely, no reason to believe it's Kolanse. But what if they get there and Paran is already there?

Entirely possible, but the storyline may jump back in time to show us how he got there and ended up in trouble.

Or Tavore's troops may discover Paran and what's left of the Host, them having arrived and gotten their butts kicked.

Either way it's all good. I lean towards expecting the latter because Paran's Host is basically peopled by a fairly disposable set of characters who have received minimal development. They could be killed off to make the point that the enemy is that nasty or just to set up Paran's status for the book. SE did that with the Grey Swords back in RG.

I think Pat said that Paran wasn't where we expect him to be, so while it's highly likely that he'll arrive in Kolanse at some point during the book (I think it would be very strange if he didn't), I have a feeling that he won't be there when we first see him -- he'll be somewhere seemingly random and in a bit of a possibly unrelated pickle (or a very relevant pickle, but a pickle nonetheless).

[Inkiper]

They all dead by somehow-remember what is the title of the book--Malazan Book of FALLEN , but i also think that we might see few characters later in "Toblakai Trilogy" . ofcourse do anyone knows something about Erikson's Toblokai????

This post has been edited by Inkiper: 16 June 2012 - 10:23 AM