[teholbeddict]

Well not only would it be childish to vote against the trade Daser dear, but you'd probably find the people involved in the trade would be less than inclined to trade you those players after you'd messed with their trade! Veto my trade with SS and I guarantee you'll never see Palmer in a Bacon Boys uniform, I'll sit on him all year!

[Slow Ben]

Its not childish if you think the trade is unfair.

I'm not saying yours is, I havent even seen it yet, but thats why theirs a vote. Not that anyone on here would try that cause they'd never hear the end of it.

[teholbeddict]

Oh I agree, if someone is making a grossly unfair trade then by all means do something about it. However, vetoing someone's trade because you want the players involved for you own team is not cool.

[teholbeddict]

I'm just posting in here in regards to the trade that was made between Slum and I. I know HD isn't happy with it and I thought I would post our reasoning behind the trade here before it gets out of hand. I personally don't see what the big deal is.

HD's Comment:

Listen, I don't mind a trade, but I do mind one that I think is shenanigans. I offered Slum Jonathan Stewart and Wes Welker, my 4 and 5 picks for Sproles and a token TE to get the roster spot off Slum's team to make the deal possible.

That vs. Palmer. You make the call.

Still love you guys, but don't think it's a fair trade considering my offer. Sorry


My Response:

Well I am not sure why Slum turned down you offer, but I will say that Welker is definitely iffy at the moment, so that may have something to do with it. As for our trade, he isn't happy with Romo or Pennington, and needed another QB. Palmer is a starter, for the moment Sproles is, but that's only because LT is out. LT is supposed to be coming back this week or next, and then Sproles point total will likely drop off. The point totals between the two players are roughly the same. I traded a starting QB for and RB who I needed, Slum has plenty on RB's and needed a QB. I don't see how that is a shady trade at all. It all depends on what a person needs and what they are willing to give up.


I will add:

Welker hasn't played for two games and is iffy for the third, even when he gets back he will still be limited. Johnathan Stewart didn't play the first game and is injured as well. So you are wanting to trade two injured players for Sproles. I don't find it at all suspicious that Slum would turn that trade down. Why would you give up Sproles for someone who isn't even playing and who's status is unsure. Not to mention Slum was looking for a QB. There is nothing shady about this trade.

This post has been edited by teholbeddict: 25 September 2009 - 01:50 PM

[Slum]

Yeah, I didn't even want to trade Sproles (as he has been the tits) and was trying to work out a trade for Cadillac Williams but we couldn't come to an agreement. I am not too confident in Romo and Pennington is just not going to put up points with that run-heavy offense in Miami. So I know Palmer will have some big games and I had an excess of productive running backs - hence the trade offer to TB. However, she wanted more than Cadillac for Palmer - she wanted Driver too. That I was not willing to do. The only way it ended up working was Sproles for Palmer, straight up... Now, he has been hot, but I don't imagine Sproles is going to continue to put up 20+ points a game all season, and in the end I figured it was worth the risk of trading him for Palmer. I had always planned on trading him for QB anyway - hence the offer to Brood for Flacco a couple pages back.

Sorry about rejecting your offer, HD. It would have been a good trade if the guys were both healthy and all, but in the end I felt I needed a better QB rather than another WR and RB.

[Daser]

I think every time a trade is made, everyone will have an oppinion about who got the best trade. We each sit and make Pro/Con list for the 2 involved and decide, damn XXXX won that trade.

This isnt a complaint about the trade, but just my thoughts with the info i have.

1. Congrats TB, you mad a huge trade there. C. Palmer would play 1 game this season for you, since you have P.Manning, and now you have a player who is must starter as long as LT is injured and still has starter value some weeks after LT returns. Huge upside for your team.

2. Sorry Slum i cant see the upside for you since you have T. Romo, now you are basicly where TB was last week. You are sitting with a very qualified backup that will play the week T. Romo has a Bye week. What is worse is that now you basicly have to trade or drop a QB to the waiver wire, to gain some starter/reserves for the other spots since bye weeks are beginning next week.


HD´s offer for sproles was hard to judge because of injury concerns, so no oppinion about that.


So i have no objections to this trade even tho i see TB as clear winner and Slum only get value if he makes another trade with 1 of his QB`s.

[teholbeddict]

Well obviously Slum isn't going to keep all three QB's. He wasn't happy with Pennington from the get go. As for Romo, he definitely hasn't had an impressive start thus far, and SS wasn't completely confident about him either. I believe his plan is to look at the matchups and switch between the two quarterbacks depending on who looks to score more points in a given week. It's not a bad plan at all, and is definitely something I would have considered doing if I didn't have PM.

SS had a RB heavy team, he wanted to improve his QB situation. Lets not forget he's still left with AP, Cadillac Williams (who has been tearing it up) and Addai. It's not like he's suffering where RB's are concerned. By the time LT returns and is back to full play, Sproles will probably be averaging what Williams is now, maybe even a little less. So it works out to be a fair trade, and we both got what we needed out of the deal.

You have to trade for what you think you need to improve your team. I am still waiting for Lynch to become available for play, and Willie Paker has done shit all for me so far. I really needed an RB, SS was looking for a QB so it worked out well for both of us. He definitely didn't need another RB, especially one who didn't practice and is questionable this weekend against Dallas because of a heel injury. Or a WR who hasn't played for the first two games because of injury and isn't likely to play this weekend either. That to me would have been a less than fair trade.

This post has been edited by teholbeddict: 25 September 2009 - 04:42 PM

[Daser]

TB i think you are arguing this because you know you made a steal!

The question isnt(For me) about how valid HD´s trade offer was, it is how your trade benefit Slum.

so just answer this, who do you think will make most points on Slums team. The before T. Romo and D. Sproles..... or the after T. Romo and C. Palmer.

You see my point?? he traded a starter for a backup.

Besides it isnt like Slum dont have small injury concerns himself. AP has alittle back problem.... Cadillac hasnt practised this week yet.


So again Grats on huge trade TB. Stop arguing Slums point. I am looking forward to hearing Slum`s own opponion.

This post has been edited by Daser: 25 September 2009 - 05:50 PM

[teholbeddict]

Whoa, hold on here a minute, I am not arguing Slums point at all. I do not speak for Slum, nor would I ever presume to! He is more than capable of speaking for himself and did so.

Sproles is a starter now yes, but he is going to drop down to muber two once LT returns! As for Slum as his QB situation, you didn't listen to what I said, he is looking at starting either or, each week depending on the match up and who is likely to score more points.

I am not arguing anything, I am happy with the trade and Slum is happy with the trade or he wouldn't have made it. He was looking for a QB, he made the same offer to me that he made to Brood last week. You are missing the fact that he wanted a QB! I said right off the bat that I wasn't giving Palmer up for nothing. How does this benefit SS? He wasn't happy with his two QB's and was looking for someone solid, he got that. It's the exact same thing you were doing.

SS expressed his opinions (see above), I am sure he will be around this afternoon and can defend his point further if he feels the need. Although I really don't see that he needs to. I never intended this to be a huge argument, I was just explaining the rationale behind the trade.

This post has been edited by teholbeddict: 25 September 2009 - 05:48 PM

[Daser]

I dont know how much you haggled, but if i was Slum after deciding not to do the Cadillac/Driver for Palmer, i would have done either of these things.

1. Sproles and Pennington v Palmer and Ginn Jr.

2. Sproles and Boss v Palmer and Celek.

3. Or Sproles and pennington v Palmer and W. Parker.

I think you would have accepted 1 of them and all of them leaves Slum with more options and a better suited bench for emergencies.

I accept that Slum was worried about his QB situation, but that dont meen i like what he got for Sproles.

I would also have counterd Hoosier with Sproles for Jennings considering how strong Hoosier is at WR. Maybe he would bite.

This post has been edited by Daser: 25 September 2009 - 06:13 PM

[Slow Ben]

The trades not bad enough to veto so i'm not really worried about it.

I dont know how Slum can be worried about his qb's since Romo has the 6th most points.

If you really dont like Romo slum i'll trade you for him.

Anyway, lets move along, this is not the trade your looking for.

[Daser]

Slow Ben, on 25 September 2009 - 06:25 PM, said:

The trades not bad enough to veto so i'm not really worried about it.

I dont know how Slum can be worried about his qb's since Romo has the 6th most points.

If you really dont like Romo slum i'll trade you for him.

Anyway, lets move along, this is not the trade your looking for.

I agree with this.

I am also open for QB trades Slum.


Btw Brood i am Sorry i suggested to start L. Moore last week( Bastard got hurt in 2nd quarter.) remember to monitor if he is healthy this week.

This post has been edited by Daser: 25 September 2009 - 06:42 PM

[Eddie Dean]

Lets go, this is not the trade we are looking for.


I'll trade farve for a decent wr/rb.

This post has been edited by Eddie Dean: 25 September 2009 - 06:41 PM

[Slum]

Meh, I have no problem if Tb got the better end of the deal - it seemed fair enough to me. I don't think about this stuff as much some of you obviously do (Daser ). I like Romo to start most of the time but he is shit in big games and Pennington is not going to get many points in that offense - didn't I already say this?

I probably could have haggled with Tehol and wrangled a Ginn or Parker or Cribbs off her too, but I have enough RBs and WRs already, I think.

Also, this is my first time ever playing fantasy football and I'm not a real haggler and wheeler-dealer - I just wanted a decent backup and with Palmer I have that. Plus, as Tb said, I can start Palmer when it looks like Romo might have a tough game or when Palmer is facing a bad D.

And, when I made the trade on Tuesday, LT was expected be ready to go, I thought. At any rate, don't worry about my trades. I got what I was looking for and if it wasn't the greatest deal...oops, my bad.


Carry on.

[Daser]

Slum, on 25 September 2009 - 07:09 PM, said:

Meh, I have no problem if Tb got the better end of the deal - it seemed fair enough to me. I don't think about this stuff as much some of you obviously do (Daser ). I like Romo to start most of the time but he is shit in big games and Pennington is not going to get many points in that offense - didn't I already say this?

I probably could have haggled with Tehol and wrangled a Ginn or Parker or Cribbs off her too, but I have enough RBs and WRs already, I think.

Also, this is my first time ever playing fantasy football and I'm not a real haggler and wheeler-dealer - I just wanted a decent backup and with Palmer I have that. Plus, as Tb said, I can start Palmer when it looks like Romo might have a tough game or when Palmer is facing a bad D.

And, when I made the trade on Tuesday, LT was expected be ready to go, I thought. At any rate, don't worry about my trades. I got what I was looking for and if it wasn't the greatest deal...oops, my bad.


Carry on.

This is my first fantasy season too Slum, so you have 1 trade more than i ever had.

I also should say i absolutely hate to lose, so i am probarly taking this more seriously than most.

I would also say that i would have killed to have your team instead of mine this week, and there was like 0.002% chance that you could lose to Da beers since he has important injuries, now after this trade he accually has a chance. (not big but a chance) That would be unacceptble to me.

Envy is a bad thing so maybe i am being harder on your trade than neccesary, since i would have loved to be in your shoes. I have wet dreams about having my starters and 2 from my bench produce like you players did. My team is lame and so injury riddled, that i have nothing i can trade away to get better. So i am stuck praying for improvements and spending way to much time looking for a golden opportunity.( I also have woodoo dolls of all your important players, just look at how Brady did last week)

So good luck Slum and i hope Brood forgives you for making his match this week much harder.

PS. Slum remember to chance your lineup, since it is missing a player now.

This post has been edited by Daser: 25 September 2009 - 08:30 PM

[caladanbrood]

Daser, on 25 September 2009 - 06:39 PM, said:

Btw Brood i am Sorry i suggested to start L. Moore last week( Bastard got hurt in 2nd quarter.) remember to monitor if he is healthy this week.

You swine




I've spent more time researching this week, changed a few things around, very tempted to drop Eddie Royal... if only I could play three running backs.



Also suggested trades with a few people. I may have done some by mistake because I didn't really know the system works, so apologies to whoever if that has happened. If anyone has a WR they don't mind trading for a half decent RB I'm open to suggestions! (With some make-weights too if neccessary).

This post has been edited by caladanbrood: 25 September 2009 - 09:31 PM

[Eddie Dean]

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Also suggested trades with a few people. I may have done some by mistake because I didn't really know the system works, so apologies to whoever if that has happened. If anyone has a WR they don't mind trading for a half decent RB I'm open to suggestions! (With some make-weights too if neccessary).
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Take a look at my WR's and see if you would want to trade a RB for any of them and we will do some dealin.

[Sixty]

Apparently Moss is questionable for Sunday.




Well fuck. This is with LT injured, too...

[Slow Ben]

Expect Slaton to have a big week this week. I benched him for Hightower, so of course this will be the week he breaks out.

[Daser]

Slow Ben, on 26 September 2009 - 03:14 PM, said:

Expect Slaton to have a big week this week. I benched him for Hightower, so of course this will be the week he breaks out.

I think they are good starters so wont be much difference between them. Will be TDs not yards that seperate them.

Damn you for not taking my trade before the season started. Would have loved to own Hightower this week.