[Path-Shaper]

Hope nobody is too mad at the outcome. HD was terrified he was going down.

Also, you'll note in the spoiler thread that I mention how it was META play that got RED the win in this one. I would appreciate all suggestions you could provide me with how I could improve this mini by tweaking abilities or rules (I really wanted to allow more reveals, but wasn't sure a good way to do it without totally screwing the Spy).

Hope everyone had a blast, this was the most fun game I've ever made.

[Shinrei]

Great game HD. Seriously. Great game.

[Breadmaster]

Shinrei, on Jul 13 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

I meta'd totally wrong. WTF

Alt.... fuck. I though HD was the soldier because the day kill happened almost an hour after you said you went to bed. HD was the only one living who was online at the time of that scene.

That's why I had him PI'd in my mind.

Then, I was setting myself up as the soldier so if I was wrong about the lynch I would be the least likely NK target. That way, if the spy's bulletproof was gone, I could still win the game by killing him. Of course, I didn't pick HD for my NK target....

Yeah, I figured alt was the soldier, since you and HD thought it was each other. I tried to make that as clear as I could, but, whatever.

[Path-Shaper]

Breadmaster, on Jul 13 2009, 08:28 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on Jul 13 2009, 11:25 AM, said:

Great game, all! It's possible that the BP had been used up Night 1 or Night 2. If Gem had used her shotgun on the Spy or Drek had used his grenade launcher on the spy, the BP would have been gone. Obviously BM knew Gem hadn't used her shotty, but he didn't know for a fact D'rek had not used the BP.

But HD pulled it out and was never a number 1 suspect. Well played!

But the knife kill comes before the others. I assumed anyone to get killed by it wouldn't be able to use their night kill. Otherwise, what's the point of specifying it comes first?

This is true but HD may have withheld a kill. But you're right, it isn't too likely.

The Knife came first for the situation in which the Spy and someone else tried to kill each other. I figured the Spy deserved the upper hand in that situation.

[HoosierDaddy]

Lol. I was Blue Pyro. I can't believe none of you got all blood-thirsty! My entire strategy was based on people just offing people during the night. Lol. That's really quite respectable of you though. I'd have done the same thing.

[alt146]

Shinrei, on Jul 13 2009, 05:27 PM, said:

I meta'd totally wrong. WTF

Alt.... fuck. I though HD was the soldier because the day kill happened almost an hour after you said you went to bed. HD was the only one living who was online at the time of that scene.

That's why I had him PI'd in my mind.

Then, I was setting myself up as the soldier so if I was wrong about the lynch I would be the least likely NK target. That way, if the spy's bulletproof was gone, I could still win the game by killing him. Of course, I didn't pick HD for my NK target....

That was me - PS wasnt around when we were playing... Bugger. Fun game though, I had fun spamming the shit out of you guys day 1.

[Breadmaster]

alt146, on Jul 13 2009, 11:28 AM, said:

Breadmaster, on Jul 13 2009, 05:23 PM, said:

alt146, on Jul 13 2009, 11:20 AM, said:

Breadmaster, on Jul 13 2009, 05:17 PM, said:

alt146, on Jul 13 2009, 11:16 AM, said:

Breadmaster, on Jul 13 2009, 05:10 PM, said:

alt146, on Jul 13 2009, 10:57 AM, said:

Hmm, something just clicked. Shin if you're playing me then very well done.

vote Breadmaster

Edit - crosspost with scummiest post of the game, I feel better about that vote already.

Can you explain how the post was scummy. Do you disagree with something I said?

We should go to night and not vig? As if the spy doesnt have his revolver reveal typed out and waiting before day has even ended...

WHAT? I never said go to night. That's retarded.

Ok, not go to night. But you're trying to tone down the urgency of today by making it seem like a last second vote tomorrow could still save it.

Moot point now anyway - I caught Shin's hints that he'd flamed Hoosier, so it can only be you.

A last second vote could have still saved it. How is "99%" downplaying the urgency? And way to catch a hint that didn't exist there.

What I said wasn't scummy. There was a 100% chance the BP was still active, so no vigs should have been used. I was the sniper, though, so once you lynched me the game was over anyway.

That is true, but the way you phrased it made it sound like you were saying there was a very good chance we could still win at the last minute, right after you'd explained exactly why we couldn't.

Sorry man, I really thought Shin was trying to signal he was the pyro when he said "I have reason to believe HD is innocent"

No, I was saying there was a very BAD chance. But it was still a chance, so I thought I'd point it out, because that's what I do.

[D'rek]

Path-Shaper, on Jul 13 2009, 11:28 AM, said:

Hope nobody is too mad at the outcome. HD was terrified he was going down.

Also, you'll note in the spoiler thread that I mention how it was META play that got RED the win in this one. I would appreciate all suggestions you could provide me with how I could improve this mini by tweaking abilities or rules (I really wanted to allow more reveals, but wasn't sure a good way to do it without totally screwing the Spy).

Hope everyone had a blast, this was the most fun game I've ever made.

Having the one blue role removed and the red spy knowing which role was removed pretty much compensate for reveals imo. People won't reveal because they would know that if they did the spy would just claim the role that was removed and it would give away the engineer to him so he'd know who not to kill and the pyro and heavy so he'd know who to kill first. Thus there would not be a mass reveal and even if there was later on, the red would have a believable story. So the whole no-reveal bit was not necessary, imo, but did add a very bizarre element to the game which was fun!

[Breadmaster]

Path-Shaper, on Jul 13 2009, 11:30 AM, said:

Breadmaster, on Jul 13 2009, 08:28 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on Jul 13 2009, 11:25 AM, said:

Great game, all! It's possible that the BP had been used up Night 1 or Night 2. If Gem had used her shotgun on the Spy or Drek had used his grenade launcher on the spy, the BP would have been gone. Obviously BM knew Gem hadn't used her shotty, but he didn't know for a fact D'rek had not used the BP.

But HD pulled it out and was never a number 1 suspect. Well played!

But the knife kill comes before the others. I assumed anyone to get killed by it wouldn't be able to use their night kill. Otherwise, what's the point of specifying it comes first?

This is true but HD may have withheld a kill. But you're right, it isn't too likely.

The Knife came first for the situation in which the Spy and someone else tried to kill each other. I figured the Spy deserved the upper hand in that situation.

Yeah, I figured HD NOT using a kill at about 0%.

[bwgan]

Day 1 was the most pure fun and lolz I have ever had in mafia...and lynching M45 by accident was cruel but sooooo funny. I can honestly say I nearly had hysterics when I realised what we had done.

HD seriously did you know, or was it all a genuine foul up?

[HoosierDaddy]

I can't play altless anymore. I'm going to be like Fener. 60% Killler ratio. Seriously, and that's with only ONE mini. Ridiculous. Simply ridiculous.

[alt146]

Breadmaster, on Jul 13 2009, 05:31 PM, said:

alt146, on Jul 13 2009, 11:28 AM, said:

Breadmaster, on Jul 13 2009, 05:23 PM, said:

alt146, on Jul 13 2009, 11:20 AM, said:

Breadmaster, on Jul 13 2009, 05:17 PM, said:

alt146, on Jul 13 2009, 11:16 AM, said:

Breadmaster, on Jul 13 2009, 05:10 PM, said:

alt146, on Jul 13 2009, 10:57 AM, said:

Hmm, something just clicked. Shin if you're playing me then very well done.

vote Breadmaster

Edit - crosspost with scummiest post of the game, I feel better about that vote already.

Can you explain how the post was scummy. Do you disagree with something I said?

We should go to night and not vig? As if the spy doesnt have his revolver reveal typed out and waiting before day has even ended...

WHAT? I never said go to night. That's retarded.

Ok, not go to night. But you're trying to tone down the urgency of today by making it seem like a last second vote tomorrow could still save it.

Moot point now anyway - I caught Shin's hints that he'd flamed Hoosier, so it can only be you.

A last second vote could have still saved it. How is "99%" downplaying the urgency? And way to catch a hint that didn't exist there.

What I said wasn't scummy. There was a 100% chance the BP was still active, so no vigs should have been used. I was the sniper, though, so once you lynched me the game was over anyway.

That is true, but the way you phrased it made it sound like you were saying there was a very good chance we could still win at the last minute, right after you'd explained exactly why we couldn't.

Sorry man, I really thought Shin was trying to signal he was the pyro when he said "I have reason to believe HD is innocent"

No, I was saying there was a very BAD chance. But it was still a chance, so I thought I'd point it out, because that's what I do.

I suppose. I'd just had this OMG Shin is the Pyro!!! moment and I guess that coloured what I saw immediately after.

[bwgan]

Whereas I am going to be 99% inno!


Edit: This was @HD

This post has been edited by bwgan: 13 July 2009 - 03:36 PM

[D'rek]

HoosierDaddy, on Jul 13 2009, 11:34 AM, said:

I can't play altless anymore. I'm going to be like Fener. 60% Killler ratio. Seriously, and that's with only ONE mini. Ridiculous. Simply ridiculous.

Yup, you are going to have to start trying really hard to make sure no one can alt-guess you, too! Not to mention that the rest of us would like a turn now and then!

This post has been edited by D'rek: 13 July 2009 - 03:37 PM

[Breadmaster]

D'rek, on Jul 13 2009, 11:32 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on Jul 13 2009, 11:28 AM, said:

Hope nobody is too mad at the outcome. HD was terrified he was going down.

Also, you'll note in the spoiler thread that I mention how it was META play that got RED the win in this one. I would appreciate all suggestions you could provide me with how I could improve this mini by tweaking abilities or rules (I really wanted to allow more reveals, but wasn't sure a good way to do it without totally screwing the Spy).

Hope everyone had a blast, this was the most fun game I've ever made.

Having the one blue role removed and the red spy knowing which role was removed pretty much compensate for reveals imo. People won't reveal because they would know that if they did the spy would just claim the role that was removed and it would give away the engineer to him so he'd know who not to kill and the pyro and heavy so he'd know who to kill first. Thus there would not be a mass reveal and even if there was later on, the red would have a believable story. So the whole no-reveal bit was not necessary, imo, but did add a very bizarre element to the game which was fun!

I think the main problem is that revealing over-powers the day vig. If the soldier says who he is going to kill before he kills him, he is instantly CIed, plus if the soldier dies, you know whomever he said he was shooting at is the spy. Same thing with the demo man to a lesser extent.

Then again, the soldier didn't have much else going for him, so maybe it still would have worked.

[HoosierDaddy]

bwgan, on Jul 13 2009, 11:34 AM, said:

Day 1 was the most pure fun and lolz I have ever had in mafia...and lynching M45 by accident was cruel but sooooo funny. I can honestly say I nearly had hysterics when I realised what we had done.

HD seriously did you know, or was it all a genuine foul up?

Oh, I was making my joke vote. But, it was serious and I was hoping you'd all do it anyways. I was SOBER at that point. I regret taking advantage of some drunkeness. The way everyone was talking about lynching, I figured, "what the hell? maybe it'll happen."

[alt146]

bwgan, on Jul 13 2009, 05:34 PM, said:

Day 1 was the most pure fun and lolz I have ever had in mafia...and lynching M45 by accident was cruel but sooooo funny. I can honestly say I nearly had hysterics when I realised what we had done.

HD seriously did you know, or was it all a genuine foul up?

I'm just bummed I ran out of beer. May have been able to communicate on Lish's level if I hadnt

vote bmnban

[D'rek]

Breadmaster, on Jul 13 2009, 11:36 AM, said:

D'rek, on Jul 13 2009, 11:32 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on Jul 13 2009, 11:28 AM, said:

Hope nobody is too mad at the outcome. HD was terrified he was going down.

Also, you'll note in the spoiler thread that I mention how it was META play that got RED the win in this one. I would appreciate all suggestions you could provide me with how I could improve this mini by tweaking abilities or rules (I really wanted to allow more reveals, but wasn't sure a good way to do it without totally screwing the Spy).

Hope everyone had a blast, this was the most fun game I've ever made.

Having the one blue role removed and the red spy knowing which role was removed pretty much compensate for reveals imo. People won't reveal because they would know that if they did the spy would just claim the role that was removed and it would give away the engineer to him so he'd know who not to kill and the pyro and heavy so he'd know who to kill first. Thus there would not be a mass reveal and even if there was later on, the red would have a believable story. So the whole no-reveal bit was not necessary, imo, but did add a very bizarre element to the game which was fun!

I think the main problem is that revealing over-powers the day vig. If the soldier says who he is going to kill before he kills him, he is instantly CIed, plus if the soldier dies, you know whomever he said he was shooting at is the spy. Same thing with the demo man to a lesser extent.

Then again, the soldier didn't have much else going for him, so maybe it still would have worked.

Well you could have a specific no-revealing of who you target on day or night actions... maybe...

[bwgan]

HoosierDaddy, on Jul 13 2009, 04:36 PM, said:

bwgan, on Jul 13 2009, 11:34 AM, said:

Day 1 was the most pure fun and lolz I have ever had in mafia...and lynching M45 by accident was cruel but sooooo funny. I can honestly say I nearly had hysterics when I realised what we had done.

HD seriously did you know, or was it all a genuine foul up?

Oh, I was making my joke vote. But, it was serious and I was hoping you'd all do it anyways. I was SOBER at that point. I regret taking advantage of some drunkeness. The way everyone was talking about lynching, I figured, "what the hell? maybe it'll happen."

Well that makes me an even worse person I was stone cold sober, and have no excuse whatsoever!

[HoosierDaddy]

D'rek, on Jul 13 2009, 11:36 AM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on Jul 13 2009, 11:34 AM, said:

I can't play altless anymore. I'm going to be like Fener. 60% Killler ratio. Seriously, and that's with only ONE mini. Ridiculous. Simply ridiculous.

Yup, you are going to have to start trying really hard to make sure no one can alt-guess you, too! Not to mention that the rest of us would like a turn now and then!

I DO NOT LIKE being killer. It is way to much pressure to make the game enjoyable for other people. I like just being able to do my random posting and finger-pointing. It's way funner for me than killer.