[Galayn Lord]

Nice early finish for me today .

Woo, interesting. And I remain a mystery? Excellent.

So decisions, desisions...do I vote for someone whose revealed a whole load of gibberish (true or not its still gibberish), and who may or may not be a leader or do I vote for the self confessed killer? Killer note, NOT vig. Hmmm, to my mind a killer is far more dangerous to my leader, who may or may not be still alive, and even if he isnt, and Im not syaing either way, a killer is still a danger to my faction. Unless he is of my faction. And that depends on what my faction is and whether or not Barg is honest about his alignment. Quite the little dilemma.

I suppose I could ask Eloth for his advise?

[Galayn Lord]

Oh, nobody here to play? Ill come back later then.

[Rashan]

Galayn Lord, on Jul 10 2009, 09:08 AM, said:

Nice early finish for me today .

Woo, interesting. And I remain a mystery? Excellent.

So decisions, desisions...do I vote for someone whose revealed a whole load of gibberish (true or not its still gibberish), and who may or may not be a leader or do I vote for the self confessed killer? Killer note, NOT vig. Hmmm, to my mind a killer is far more dangerous to my leader, who may or may not be still alive, and even if he isnt, and Im not syaing either way, a killer is still a danger to my faction. Unless he is of my faction. And that depends on what my faction is and whether or not Barg is honest about his alignment. Quite the little dilemma.

I suppose I could ask Eloth for his advise?

I am here and find my self in the same quandary as you GL.

[Tellan]

I don't think it's a big quandary... There're 9 of us, if Barghast is a killer and we lynch someone else we have 7 tomorrow. The general consensus is that it's either 3-3-3 or 3-3-2-1, so either way no chance of anyone having a majority tomorrow. Barg has declared he is GB killer, so if neither the lynch nor the death is GB, we vote him off tomorrow to keep them from having too many. If there is a GB lynch/death, then it may be D-Day for a GK or Barsavi win, and if so we focus on them. If it's not a D-day, then we debate the merits of lynching Barg. Basically we use Barg to determine if we want 6 or 5 players the day after, and therin it gets very revealing as a faction that suspects it has 3 people will want Barghast alive so they can have a majority with 3 out of 5.

In any case, I think we can push off voting Barghast today until tomorrow in order to get a whopping of info from the Sil CF.

[Rashan]

Tellan, on Jul 10 2009, 10:07 AM, said:

I don't think it's a big quandary... There're 9 of us, if Barghast is a killer and we lynch someone else we have 7 tomorrow. The general consensus is that it's either 3-3-3 or 3-3-2-1, so either way no chance of anyone having a majority tomorrow. Barg has declared he is GB killer, so if neither the lynch nor the death is GB, we vote him off tomorrow to keep them from having too many. If there is a GB lynch/death, then it may be D-Day for a GK or Barsavi win, and if so we focus on them. If it's not a D-day, then we debate the merits of lynching Barg. Basically we use Barg to determine if we want 6 or 5 players the day after, and therin it gets very revealing as a faction that suspects it has 3 people will want Barghast alive so they can have a majority with 3 out of 5.

In any case, I think we can push off voting Barghast today until tomorrow in order to get a whopping of info from the Sil CF.

One of the problems with that is that if we leave Barghast alive today and lynch someone else then what is to stop Barghast from killing my leader. I would much rather get rid of Barghast and keep my leader alive and take my factions chances tomorrow. But on the other hand what if Barghast is really in my faction.

I am sticking with what how I have been playing all game and that is to take out everyone who can kill my leader. Barghast is a self proclaimed killer. There fore

VOTE BARGHAST

[Ampelas]

Yay! I was right about today being interesting!

Quite a fancy reveal, there, Silanah. I'm not sure whether I believe it, but here is what I think:
1. You are either what you say you are, or you are a leader.
2. You are not my leader.
3. If you are what you say you are, I see no reason not to believe that you fulfilling your winning condition will end the game immediately with you as the only winner. Did you honestly think you were going to stick around after you reveal you are on no one's team and are close to achieving your victory condition?

You are a safe lynch for me and your CF will give us a lot of information as far as team distribution. I for one don't buy that Barghast killed Meanas with two shots. He very well could be a Barsavi trying to get people to think his leader is dead. I believe that he has killing powers, but I am more inclined to think they are limited.

Barghast could definitely be a danger, but so is Sil, and I think Sil's CF will give us a better idea of what kind of danger Barghast is.

Vote Silanah

[Silanah]

Well there are votes, but I'm afraid this was not the excitement I wanted.

People are of course going to doubt me, but the interesting thing here is that nobody seems to think anything other than I could be a leader or I am telling the truth (including about my separate win condition). Nobody thinks I have killing power and yet there are still people willing to convict me to the noose today.

I can understand why someone like Eloth would want to lynch me, because if he thinks I'm a leader I could be insulated from kills, or I could have a guard symp or something like that, and I would be 50/50 the leader his team needs to kill. I can even see Barghast's desire to lynch me, because it's basically OMGUS.

But for Tellan and Ampelas to acknowledge Barghast's powers and then say, "We can go another day without worrying about them," is pretty frightening. It means neither of you are worried about getting killed today, which could easily mean you are on a faction together with Barg, or believe that I am a leader and thus your faction stands to potentially gain a huge victory if I die and someone on your faction doesn't die. It also could mean one if you can guard him.

Look at it this way. Say you lynch me and there are no NKs. Tomorrow, Barg is going to come out and say, "I failed to kill this person, therefore they are a leader." So now you have another choice. Do you lynch Barg's new fingered target and let him kill again?

Note Barg did not actually reveal who he was. I called him Jean Tannen and he laughed at me but now is saying Eloth must be one of the unrevealed GBs (Cado/Bug I think). Of course Barg is going to symp the faction he has called the weakest if he's not on the faction. It allows him to walk the faction line which makes it hard for the GK to attack him.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 11 hours and 33 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Eloth, Galain, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Rashan, Silanah, Tellan

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night

2 votes for Silanah: ( Tellan, Ampelas )
3 votes for Barghast: ( Karatallid, Silanah, Rashan )
1 vote for Eloth: ( Galain )

Players not voted: Barghast, Eloth, Galayn Lord

[Silanah]

Also, anyone else see how this is lining up with the let-the-killer-live business?

Barg Tellan Amp (Eloth--who is undoubtedly going to vote me)
vs
Sil Karat Rash

Based on Galain voting known quantities, I'm not sure if he'll want to vote me or Barg since we're both known. GL is obviously having trouble deciding. But I suspect one of you will vote for Barghast and the other one will have to break the tie which says a lot about how you feel about letting a killer stay in the game.

[Galain]

Holy shit! This game is awesome! Okay, Sil, poor choice to reveal, but I believe it. And since you don't pose an immediate threat to my leader today, I have no reason to vote you...today...

remove vote
vote Barghast

[Galain]

Path-Shaper, on Jul 10 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

It is Day 5. 11 hours and 33 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Eloth, Galain, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Rashan, Silanah, Tellan

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night

2 votes for Silanah: ( Tellan, Ampelas )
3 votes for Barghast: ( Karatallid, Silanah, Rashan )
1 vote for Eloth: ( Galain )

Players not voted: Barghast, Eloth, Galayn Lord

Eloth removed his vote.

[Sixty]

Yes, and the update you quoted reflects that. :S

[Silanah]

I'm not really a threat to your leader ever. I'm LOOKING for him if he's still alive, but I can't actually kill him. I just need to be around when he is taken down. I will help any faction win that helps me get the GK leader.

Eloth will revote me. He knows Barg could be on the GK but he can't risk it. Barg left the only known player, Eloth, alive yesterday. So Eloth must operate under the assumption that Barg is his teammate.

Well it's up to Galayn Lord, unless Tellan or Amp switch votes.

[Galayn Lord]

Im back...miss me? Well having thought about it, there is no way I want a killer on the loose, not one that I can't be sure of.

Theres plenty of other crap flying around I know, but hes a self confessed killer so

Vote Barghast

[Galain]

Sixty, on Jul 10 2009, 11:49 AM, said:

Yes, and the update you quoted reflects that. :S

D'oh, I can't wait to get to uni. I'll be able to sleep normal hours and I'll be able to see straight when I wake up. I looked and saw Eloth voting for me stead of the other way around.

Cross with the hammer.

This post has been edited by Galain: 10 July 2009 - 04:02 PM

[Silanah]

Well, that's a hammer then. Time to see if someone else has killing powers and is taking me out.

Use the information from here today wisely if I die. I'm rooting for Basarvi or GK to win right now.

[Galain]

Silanah, on Jul 10 2009, 11:50 AM, said:

I'm not really a threat to your leader ever. I'm LOOKING for him if he's still alive, but I can't actually kill him. I just need to be around when he is taken down. I will help any faction win that helps me get the GK leader.

Eloth will revote me. He knows Barg could be on the GK but he can't risk it. Barg left the only known player, Eloth, alive yesterday. So Eloth must operate under the assumption that Barg is his teammate.

Well it's up to Galayn Lord, unless Tellan or Amp switch votes.

Do you win together with the victorious faction, if their leader is dead, or do you win solely once your condition is fulfilled?

[Silanah]

I win solely once my condition is fulfilled, but I will not leave the game unless I die. So I can still vote and stuff after I win.

[Galain]

Silanah, on Jul 10 2009, 12:02 PM, said:

I win solely once my condition is fulfilled, but I will not leave the game unless I die. So I can still vote and stuff after I win.

That's not quite the answer I was looking for. I meant, can a faction still win as well as you.

[Silanah]

Yes. There can be a winning faction and me.