[Cold Iron]

I don't really want to argue about this but i'm calling you on a clearly shit statement.

[Cougar]

First of all, well done Adjutant Stormy, have a medal, I don't live in California.

The perception of weed in the US I have is based on 3 factors:

1. You say you can make pure weed joints, you can't do this if you are using what we've been getting for about say 6 years as there wouldn't be enough mass, in fact I doubt it would even burn properly. If you can make a tooth pick sized joint then great but then you are only confirming my point. Something 2 inch long and as thin as toothpick is just defeating the object of having a smoke to me.

2. I used to live with Americans, I work with Americans and I talk with them and they tell me the same thing, they are used to skinning up with less poweful (pound for pound) weed - hence pure weed spliffs. 10 years ago I used to get big bags similar to the stuff but I haven't seen that for years, economies of scale amongst the dealers I guess!

3. I've had a J in the USA and it was just as strong as in the UK or Amsterdam but it was pure, not a tiny bit of skunk mixed with a burner like tobacco.

I don't know why you get your panties in such a bunch about it it's a totally benign statement. It isn't any more expensive to get high in the states because last time I was there you got fuck loads of weak leaves for the same price as a tiny amount of powerful skunk. Sure the high seems to have a subtely different property but...meh, that's probably just dumb stoner wisdom.

[Terez]

Cold Iron, on Jul 13 2009, 07:42 AM, said:

I don't really want to argue about this but i'm calling you on a clearly shit statement.

Who me? And if so, which bit are you referring to?

Cougar, I've had schwag (you know, the cheap weed with seeds) that is so resinous that you can't keep the joint lit properly (that's what pipes are for). The stickiness of the weed has little to do with the THC concentration. Some of the strongest weed I've had wasn't overly sticky at all - it's more crunchy, from the massive amounts of THC crystals hanging on the buds (it will leave resin on your fingers when you play with it, and it's hard to grind, but it's easy enough to smoke).

Also, your ideas of how much it takes to get high might have quite a bit to do with your tolerance. I just traded some cheap $80/oz. schwag for some $500/oz. stuff (which is ridiculous - I would have never paid that much...$300/oz. max), because my aunt couldn't smoke the expensive stuff. She would only took one hit, and it would make her utterly non-functional. So, I happily took the trade (just a small amount), and I smoked it just like I smoke any other variety of KB, and I was fine. My aunt took my schwag and mixed it with a small amount of her good stuff, and she's happier with that. And I'm working on getting her a better deal so she doesn't get ripped off in the future.

I had good, strong weed in Amsterdam. Same deal there. They offered it mixed with tobacco, but that's nasty - I smoked it pure. The tobacco-mixing thing is just a cultural thing, and has nothing to do with the supposed superiority of your weed.

[Cougar]

Big misconception is that weed in Amsterdam is stronger, these days it isn't. I've been enough times.

I'm puzzled why you want to turn it into a competition though. I'm not making a value judgement about the quality of the weed, I'm making a judgement about the strength based on personal experience. By your logic vodka is superior to wine because it is stronger.

Arguing about who has superior weed is odd, I'm offering an explanation of why we skin up how we do and you are getting all upset because you think your pot head credentials are being questioned,which is something you've inferred all on your own. I'm quite happy if you are the most stoned person on the forum, good for you, I hope you are enjoying yourself. We don't use pure weed because the strength and mass make it impractical there's nothing more exciting than that to it. My experience of the USA,both personal and anecdotal, is quite the opposite.

I agree that stickyness has nothing to do with the strength, we used to get this thai stick which was pretty dry and until a few years ago that was the strongest stuff I'd ever had.

[Terez]

Cougar, on Jul 18 2009, 08:11 AM, said:

Big misconception is that weed in Amsterdam is stronger, these days it isn't. I've been enough times.

All depends on where you get it from, doesn't it? I know it does here.

Cougar said:

Arguing about who has superior weed is odd, I'm offering an explanation of why we skin up how we do

Doesn't explain why they do it in Amsterdam, if, as you say, the weed isn't stronger there.

[Cold Iron]

Terez, on Jul 13 2009, 10:09 PM, said:

I agree that weed is definitely more dangerous for the kids who aren't all that clever to begin with - those are the ones that tend to smoke too much (not smart enough to figure out that it doesn't work like that).

[Terez]

And? I don't see why you think it's a BS statement.

[Cougar]

Terez, on Jul 19 2009, 02:54 AM, said:

Doesn't explain why they do it in Amsterdam, if, as you say, the weed isn't stronger there.

It isn't stronger but it's still skunk and the same logic applies.

[Terez]

Well, your logic was that the weed is too strong to smoke without diluting, and the weed in Amsterdam (while good weed) is not too strong to smoke pure. Just saying.

[Cold Iron]

Terez, on Jul 20 2009, 06:35 AM, said:

And? I don't see why you think it's a BS statement.

You're projecting your preference for the amount you find enjoyable to smoke. "It doesn't work like that" is a completely asinine statement.

Might I also mention that you're also projecting your preference for smoking methodology on your argument with cougar. Of course so is he. You're both focused on this strength of the weed angle which is really only part of the reason why he's right. The only thing better about smoking weed pure is that you don't have all the additional carcinogens from the tobacco, everything else about it is worse, even with natch (short for natural, which is what you seem to call shwag, as opposed to hydge (short for hydroponic)).

ETA: Please don't start arguing about termonology, i threw that in just out of interest, not to say that our words are cooler or more correct than anyone elses.

This post has been edited by Cold Iron: 20 July 2009 - 02:06 AM

[Terez]

Cold Iron, on Jul 19 2009, 08:03 PM, said:

Terez, on Jul 20 2009, 06:35 AM, said:

And? I don't see why you think it's a BS statement.

You're projecting your preference for the amount you find enjoyable to smoke. "It doesn't work like that" is a completely asinine statement.

Not really - tolerance is a pretty simple chemical fact.

Smoking pure weed is better because of the taste, primarily. Mixing tobacco with it is nasty.

[Cold Iron]

Terez, on Jul 20 2009, 12:05 PM, said:

Not really - tolerance is a pretty simple chemical fact.

Smoking pure weed is better because of the taste, primarily. Mixing tobacco with it is nasty.

Tolerance is as much an argument for smoking shitloads as it is for smoking not much.

Taste is totally dependant on crop for the weed whereas cigarettes have very consistant flavour and since smoke tastes smokey all of this shit is aquired, which means this point is also mine.

[Terez]

Cold Iron, on Jul 19 2009, 09:42 PM, said:

Terez, on Jul 20 2009, 12:05 PM, said:

Not really - tolerance is a pretty simple chemical fact.

Smoking pure weed is better because of the taste, primarily. Mixing tobacco with it is nasty.

Tolerance is as much an argument for smoking shitloads as it is for smoking not much.

No it isn't, because the more you smoke, the higher your tolerance gets (which is a bad thing, you know). Also, smoking more does not make you more high. Once you get to the point where you're high, there's absolutely no point in smoking more. It's not like alcohol.

CI said:

Taste is totally dependant on crop for the weed whereas cigarettes have very consistant flavour and since smoke tastes smokey all of this shit is aquired, which means this point is also mine.

Nope. Weed has a distinctive taste that's totally different from tobacco. Some weed tastes better than other weed, but all weed tastes better than tobacco, and mixing the two is just weird. Why would you want to ruin good bud with tobacco? It's gross.

Also...dependent, consistent, acquired. Just FYI. Oh, and flavor!

[Cold Iron]

Terez, on Jul 20 2009, 01:32 PM, said:

No it isn't, because the more you smoke, the higher your tolerance gets

Which means you need to smoke more to get high and eventually end up at a point where you smoke shit loads, how are you claiming this as an argument for your point, it clearly supports mine?

Terez, on Jul 20 2009, 01:32 PM, said:

Nope. Weed has a distinctive taste that's totally different from tobacco. Some weed tastes better than other weed, but all weed tastes better than tobacco, and mixing the two is just weird. Why would you want to ruin good bud with tobacco? It's gross.

As I said, smoke tastes smokey, nobody is born liking smoke, you aCquire a taste for tobacco more easily than weed because of the consistency.

Terez, on Jul 20 2009, 01:32 PM, said:

Also...dependent, consistent, acquired. Just FYI. Oh, and flavor!

gtfo my spelling amerifag

[bubba]

Let's keep it civil please.

[amphibian]

Cold Iron, on Jul 20 2009, 12:44 AM, said:

Which means you need to smoke more to get high and eventually end up at a point where you smoke shit loads, how are you claiming this as an argument for your point, it clearly supports mine?

As I said, smoke tastes smokey, nobody is born liking smoke, you aCquire a taste for tobacco more easily than weed because of the consistency.

gtfo my spelling amerifag

None of this is reflecting well on you.

Raise your game or go home.

[Cold Iron]

amphibian, on Jul 20 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

None of this is reflecting well on you.

Raise your game or go home.

Care to elaborate? That was the least civil thing on the thread, and from a wilk in with no other contribution to boot.

Also @ bubba: sorry. gtfo my spelling amerifag

better?

This post has been edited by Cold Iron: 20 July 2009 - 06:06 AM

[Gothos]

amphibian, on Jul 20 2009, 06:28 AM, said:

Cold Iron, on Jul 20 2009, 12:44 AM, said:

Which means you need to smoke more to get high and eventually end up at a point where you smoke shit loads, how are you claiming this as an argument for your point, it clearly supports mine?

As I said, smoke tastes smokey, nobody is born liking smoke, you aCquire a taste for tobacco more easily than weed because of the consistency.

gtfo my spelling amerifag

None of this is reflecting well on you.

Raise your game or go home.

you're not making sense, frogger

[Cougar]

I'll back up bubba on this please keep it civil or we'll close the thread.

[Cold Iron]

I'm the OP and the main protagonist in this discussion, and I can speak with absolute certainty when I say that my opposite number here will not in any way mind my temporary derailment but I really have to ask:

Was it primarily my "gtfo amerifag" that is being called on? Because I can see no other uncivilness (other than left-field petulance from amphibian). For learning purposes I post this in thread rather than PM (which would, I might add, have been a reasonable way to warn me...)