[Cougar]

Captain Oblivious, on Jul 2 2009, 02:23 PM, said:

Then why didn't he write addicting instead of a synonym to 'douche'?

My my, aren't we a grumpy little bear today, did you get some sand in your vagina?

If we are going to talk vocab': I didn't write addicting because, in English, it wouldn't be correct.

The reason I didn't write addictive is because heroin being morish or moreish or more-ish is a Harry Hill joke which I have previously enjoyed.

This post has been edited by Cougar: 02 July 2009 - 07:05 PM

[Cold Iron]

D'rek, on Jul 3 2009, 12:38 AM, said:

DurhangAddict, on Jul 2 2009, 10:13 AM, said:

D'rek, on Jul 2 2009, 10:01 AM, said:

I dunno, a lot of people smoke, I don't foresee the usage decreasing just because it's not "bad boy"

Based on Cannabis usage rates in the Netherlands vs. the U.S., usage would most likely would decrease.

Yes, the U.S. has a higher marijuana prevalance than Netherlands. It is illegal in the former and legal in the latter. These certainly correlate, but not to the exclusion of all else. Tobacco is legal in both countries but the prevalence of smoking is higher in the U.S. than it is in the Netherlands. Thus drug use is more prevalent in the U.S. regardless of its legality and therefore comparing the present rates of the two is invalid.

What could be useful is a comparison of prevalence-over-time for the Netherlands (or any other country) before and after they legalized it.

Goddamnit people I've done the research for you, all you need to do is read the OP.

[Terez]

Like many others have said, the law has never stopped me before. If it was legal, I'd smoke better weed cause it would be cheaper and easier to find, but not more weed.

[Obdigore]

Cougar, on Jul 2 2009, 02:02 PM, said:

Captain Oblivious, on Jul 2 2009, 02:23 PM, said:

Then why didn't he write addicting instead of a synonym to 'douche'?

My my, aren't we a grumpy little bear today, did you get some sand in your vagina?

If we are going to talk vocab': I didn't write addicting because, in English, it wouldn't be correct.

The reason I didn't write addictive is because heroin being morish or moreish or more-ish is a Harry Hill joke which I have previously enjoyed.

It was a joke sir.

Relax, remove the mandatory english pine pole anal suppliment, and re-read.

[Cougar]

Captain Oblivious, on Jul 3 2009, 12:34 AM, said:

Cougar, on Jul 2 2009, 02:02 PM, said:

Captain Oblivious, on Jul 2 2009, 02:23 PM, said:

Then why didn't he write addicting instead of a synonym to 'douche'?

My my, aren't we a grumpy little bear today, did you get some sand in your vagina?

If we are going to talk vocab': I didn't write addicting because, in English, it wouldn't be correct.

The reason I didn't write addictive is because heroin being morish or moreish or more-ish is a Harry Hill joke which I have previously enjoyed.

It was a joke sir.

Relax, remove the mandatory english pine pole anal suppliment, and re-read.

Ahh, right; I guess you forgot that the tone of your voice in your head can't be heard when you write something down.

You said something stupid, you compounded it with an English (double)fail, I know you've shown yourself up, don't further compound the error by trying to backtrack now, it's cool. We'll just pretend it didn't happen.

This post has been edited by Cougar: 03 July 2009 - 07:14 AM

[HoosierDaddy]

Just hug it out.

Edited: I might be a drunk... but I know when I'm drunk.

This post has been edited by HoosierDaddy: 03 July 2009 - 08:22 AM

[Aptorian]

Should weed be legalized? No.

Why? Seeing as in another decade or so the tobacco industry will most likely have been run into the ground by the increasing restrictions on smoking in the West, why then suddenly make legal another kind of smoking? It's even been proven that Hookah smoking is bad for you. I don't know how many people smoke "pure pot", but most people I know, would mix hash or weed or the oil derivative with tobacco anyway.

On a side note, I hate pot smokers. Just to clarify, my father smokes Hash and has done so the past 40 years or so, and besides getting glue in the ass you don't notice the change when he's smoking. But the average "cool kid" you meet in school or out on the town, who smokes regularly, are so fucking thick it's painful to stare into their dull witted eyes. There really is something wrong with people who's brain is still developing and are in the middle of taking an education, smoking pot regularly, and for this reason alone I don't want weed legalized.

It's not fucking cool or edgy to get wasted smoking weed and then lying about doing fuck all, all day long. I've got more respect for the people who have a gram a day coke habit but function as hard working effective laborers in the industry.

Personally I would love it if there were legal, cheap, clean drugs like amphetamine and ecstasy available on the market. I would do the stuff every Friday and Saturday and then spend my Sundays lying completely exhausted on the bed hoping my heart isn't going to explode. But the problem is that these things are more dangerous than a joint or a six pack of beers. You can't overdose on marijuana and you have to be an idiot to drink yourself to death. It's a bit more dangerous with the more pharmaceutical products. They're, at least for some people, more addictive, stronger and some times very impure or other times too pure.

[Illuyankas]

Aptorian, on Jul 3 2009, 09:30 AM, said:

You can't overdose on marijuana

Yes you can. A friend of mine invited me to try some hash brownies - well, they turned out to be doublehash undercooked cake base mix - and while I'm fully prepared to give the cake base mixat least some of the blame for the vomiting, it certainly didn't cause hours of painful nerve ending firing in my not-regular-pothead body. You can overdose on anything.

[Terez]

Aptorian, on Jul 3 2009, 03:30 AM, said:

Should weed be legalized? No.

Why? Seeing as in another decade or so the tobacco industry will most likely have been run into the ground by the increasing restrictions on smoking in the West, why then suddenly make legal another kind of smoking? It's even been proven that Hookah smoking is bad for you. I don't know how many people smoke "pure pot", but most people I know, would mix hash or weed or the oil derivative with tobacco anyway.

1) Mixing weed with tobacco is strange. I was surprised to find that it was popular in Amsterdam (among the tourists, anyway, as the locals don't seem to smoke much). I also don't really get the hash thing. Pure bud is better to me.

2) The health risks from smoking weed aren't really comparable to those of tobacco at all. No one smokes 20 joints a day (the average cig addict smokes about that many, maybe more). The average regular weed smoker will smoke one or less.

3) Vaporizers take away almost all of the health risks of smoking it. The only reason people smoke rather than vape is because vaporizers are conspicuous and therefore only good for home use (don't want to get caught lugging one around). Also, because weed is legal almost nowhere, the vape-making business is fledgling.

And for the rest of your post - at least where I'm from, there are pot-smokers in all sorts of professions who accomplish quite a bit on a daily basis. There are also dull-witted potheads. Heads up - I worked night shift at a restaurant for over a decade. Being sober around a bunch of drunken idiots on a regular basis has made me a pot snob.

Also, it was alcohol that held my hand while I blew off school the first time around (I still had a 3.0 when I dropped out, but it feels like I flunked out). I had never smoked weed till I dropped out of school, and didn't smoke it regularly until years after. I've seen alcohol do the same thing to countless college kids (though of course there are always other contributing factors, as there were in my case).

So, the argument that weed should be legalized has little to do with pretending that it doesn't have any negative consequences, and more to do with the fact that the consequences seem to be quite a bit less harmful than those of alcohol. We all choose our poison.

Also, the fact that the laws against it have little impact on the demand (laws might actually inflate demand), and also little success at keeping the supply from meeting the demand. So, the business is in the hands of crime lords. All that lost tax money, not to mention ridiculous amounts of money spent imprisoning people who cause no more harm than the local bartender.

[Aptorian]

Illuyankas, on Jul 3 2009, 10:44 AM, said:

Aptorian, on Jul 3 2009, 09:30 AM, said:

You can't overdose on marijuana

Yes you can. A friend of mine invited me to try some hash brownies - well, they turned out to be doublehash undercooked cake base mix - and while I'm fully prepared to give the cake base mixat least some of the blame for the vomiting, it certainly didn't cause hours of painful nerve ending firing in my not-regular-pothead body. You can overdose on anything.

Okay I guess you got me there. But I don't know that many people who have a hash brownie habit either.

Normal marijuana users smoke it most of the time. It's not just the high, it's also about the ritual, the preparation, the waiting, the sharing, etc.

And I repeat, you're not going to overdose smoking marijuana, you'll pass out or vomit yourself to sleep before you suffer any long term physical problems.

Of course, then there's the question of pot induced psycosis. Some people's minds just get fucked up beyond repair smoking weed.

@ Terez - What is this vaporizer you're talking about. Don't think I've heard about that before.

Generally I think I just don't like Pot smokers because I don't smoke, and while I'm willing to accept getting drunk in a smoke filled pub, there's just something about smoking to get high that annoys me. Vile, dirty smelling people

Why can't they just get drunk like us normal rejects.

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[Terez]

Aptorian, on Jul 3 2009, 03:57 AM, said:

Of course, then there's the question of pot induced psycosis. Some people's minds just get fucked up beyond repair smoking weed.

I've never known anyone to go crazy from smoking weed. There's usually some other drug involved.

I also love LSD (even though it's been years since I tried to buy any). But I'm hesitant to support legalizing it because I know that not everyone can handle it. It's pretty fucking intense. Definitely not for people with serious insecurity issues.

[Gothos]

Terez, on Jul 3 2009, 09:03 AM, said:

I've never known anyone to go crazy from smoking weed.

rest assured, I did

[alt146]

Terez, on Jul 3 2009, 11:03 AM, said:

Aptorian, on Jul 3 2009, 03:57 AM, said:

Of course, then there's the question of pot induced psycosis. Some people's minds just get fucked up beyond repair smoking weed.

I've never known anyone to go crazy from smoking weed. There's usually some other drug involved.

I also love LSD (even though it's been years since I tried to buy any). But I'm hesitant to support legalizing it because I know that not everyone can handle it. It's pretty fucking intense. Definitely not for people with serious insecurity issues.

That and the fact that you're incredibly high for 8-12 hours and spend most of the next day sleeping it off. It's not something you can fit into a productive lifestyle on a regular basis unless you have the selfcontrol to only do it when you've made sure there's nothing important you need to be doing the next day.

I think that if drugs were legalised you'd quickly have to develop the equivalent of breathalysers for all of them. There's lots of things you shouldnt do drunk, and you shouldnt do most of them while high either.

[Terez]

The fact that we need tests for possibly non-alcoholically-intoxicated people has little to do with possibilities of legalization...

[Urb]

Cold Iron, on Jul 2 2009, 02:18 PM, said:

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"Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success," says Glenn Greenwald, an attorney, author and fluent Portuguese speaker, who conducted the research. "It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does."

So what about you? Do you think you would be more, less or neither more nor less likely to try a drug if it was legal to do so in your country?

I think it should be decriminalized just because of that first part of the original post.
Personally I've only tried alchohol, and am using that less and less. Hell, I don't even drink soda because it has sugar in it. Trying some other drug now just because it was legal is not an option.

[DurhangAddict]

Aptorian, on Jul 3 2009, 04:30 AM, said:

There really is something wrong with people who's brain is still developing and are in the middle of taking an education, smoking pot regularly, and for this reason alone I don't want weed legalized.

I agree with you on the first point - let your brain develop and fill your head with knowledge before you start "expanding" your mind.

However, this is the reason you should want it legalized and regulated. Ask kids around your area if its easier for them to get tobacco or cannabis. Stores won't sell tobacco to young people without ID to prove they're old enough. Dealers don't care.

[HoosierDaddy]

Terez, on Jul 3 2009, 05:43 AM, said:

The fact that we need tests for possibly non-alcoholically-intoxicated people has little to do with possibilities of legalization...

How so? The moment it's "legalized" you can't just bust somebody for having a drug in their car. There needs to be a clear distinction between what "state" is sober and what is not for legal purposes. I can taste the legal nightmares already.

[caladanbrood]

DurhangAddict, on Jul 3 2009, 06:01 PM, said:

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However, this is the reason you should want it legalized and regulated. Ask kids around your area if its easier for them to get tobacco or cannabis. Stores won't sell tobacco to young people without ID to prove they're old enough. Dealers don't care.

I'm not convinced by this. It's still a lot easier to get cigarettes even if you're underage than to get weed...

[coltainereborn]

I dont think the legal status of any drug has kept me away- I dont think if Crack were legal tomorrow, I'd say 'hey, maybe nows the time to see what all the fuss is about'

And I think theres a difference between pot and other drugs- pot is mostly harmless. I know some will disagree, and yes there are people who do not react well to pot-every bodies body chemistry is a little bit different. But I know way too many succesful pot smokers to think pot is a dangerous drug that will ruin your life.

Of course I'm a little biased- I love smoking pot, not that I get to as much as I used to.

[Cold Iron]

Terez, on Jul 3 2009, 06:54 PM, said:

1) Mixing weed with tobacco is strange. I was surprised to find that it was popular in Amsterdam (among the tourists, anyway, as the locals don't seem to smoke much). I also don't really get the hash thing. Pure bud is better to me.

---disclaimer, i do not condone the use of marijuana---
Mixing with baccy is the only way to punch cones, which is the best way to smoke when you want to fuck yourself up. Also even joints are better with tobacco because they stay lit better and you don't waste as much. When i first smoked a bong with a north american and they packed pure and just had a puff and passed it on to the next guy i was stunned. If you don't punch it (finish the cone, sucking any ash through into the water) the smoke goes stale and foul. Clearing somebody elses chamber (if they ran out of lung space) is the bongheads equivalent of the bum on the corner picking up cigarette butts.

Terez, on Jul 3 2009, 06:54 PM, said:

2) The health risks from smoking weed aren't really comparable to those of tobacco at all. No one smokes 20 joints a day (the average cig addict smokes about that many, maybe more). The average regular weed smoker will smoke one or less.

At my heaviest i could clear an ounce a week and i know people who smoke twice that.

Terez, on Jul 3 2009, 06:54 PM, said:

3) Vaporizers take away almost all of the health risks of smoking it. The only reason people smoke rather than vape is because vaporizers are conspicuous and therefore only good for home use (don't want to get caught lugging one around). Also, because weed is legal almost nowhere, the vape-making business is fledgling.

They are expensive. When you smoke you get stoned. You tend to break shit.