[Cougar]

In this country it would be astonishingly rare for you to smoke a joint without tobacco. The main reason, and I'll refer to my own experience here is that in North America weed tended to be quite weak, so skinning up with a load of it was OK, over here we used to get quite a lot of resin, you have to mix this with tobacco to even make a joint. Recently we have begun to pick up just the most powerful skunk I can ever imagine, much more potent than 10 years ago to the point where you only need to put in a miniscule amount to get blasted. You simply couldnt use this and nothing else in a joint otherwise you'd white on the spot. We used to get through about an ounce a week at un of skunki. After a while I realised you can get non-tobacco mixers like herbal tobacco and these are far better for you than crumbling in a cig or using a pouch.

[coltainereborn]

putting tobacco in joints is just weird. If your weed is that skunk-a-riffic, just use a bowl or bong...
(ColtaineReborn does not endorse the use of illegal drugs, no matter how much fun they might be)

[Cougar]

Using a bong is like being a dirty crack addict, a J is far more pleasant and social.

Plus I wouldn't want to stroll around a music festival or walk down the street carrying a bong.

[coltainereborn]

Ok, so maybe bongs aren't as astheticly pleasing, but I've still never understood the mixing. Its definately a Euro thing- we like to keep things simple over here, weed goes in joints, tobacco in cigaretts. Besides you throw Tobacco in a joint around here and all the non(cig) smokers are like " hey don't put that in there, I dont smoke cigarettes, its not good for you" (idiots)

[Terez]

Cold Iron, on Jul 3 2009, 07:37 PM, said:

Mixing with baccy is the only way to punch cones, which is the best way to smoke when you want to fuck yourself up. Also even joints are better with tobacco because they stay lit better and you don't waste as much. When i first smoked a bong with a north american and they packed pure and just had a puff and passed it on to the next guy i was stunned. If you don't punch it (finish the cone, sucking any ash through into the water) the smoke goes stale and foul. Clearing somebody elses chamber (if they ran out of lung space) is the bongheads equivalent of the bum on the corner picking up cigarette butts.

You're using lingo I don't understand. But I'm well aware of how to smoke herb without wasting any - tobacco just makes it nasty.

CI said:

At my heaviest i could clear an ounce a week and i know people who smoke twice that.

I know some people who smoke that much, but they're idiots. You can only really get high so many times in a day (really just once or twice) - anything beyond that is overkill. Most potheads I know have that figured out.

CI said:

They are expensive. When you smoke you get stoned. You tend to break shit.

You might tend to break shit when stoned; I don't (it helps not to smoke until the point where your brain shuts down). Vapes can be expensive, but there are some cheaper ones coming out that are the size of a small pipe (friend of mine got one). Legalization would do a lot for the improvement of vapes, I think, and also for making them cheaper.

Cougar, on Jul 4 2009, 05:59 AM, said:

In this country it would be astonishingly rare for you to smoke a joint without tobacco. The main reason, and I'll refer to my own experience here is that in North America weed tended to be quite weak, so skinning up with a load of it was OK, over here we used to get quite a lot of resin, you have to mix this with tobacco to even make a joint. Recently we have begun to pick up just the most powerful skunk I can ever imagine, much more potent than 10 years ago to the point where you only need to put in a miniscule amount to get blasted. You simply couldnt use this and nothing else in a joint otherwise you'd white on the spot. We used to get through about an ounce a week at un of skunki. After a while I realised you can get non-tobacco mixers like herbal tobacco and these are far better for you than crumbling in a cig or using a pouch.

When we have really excellent weed, we just either smoke really small joints (I can roll them not much larger than a toothpick, and I have smoked them that way) or just smoke one bowl (pieing the green to make it last).

This post has been edited by Terez: 04 July 2009 - 08:18 PM

[Aptorian]

Hmm.

Not to be the spoil sport in this little happy conversation of yours BUT I think we're straying from the topic of the reasons for and against and why weed and other drugs are illegal, to the subject of favored forms of drugs and how the forum members are using them. This can't possibly be within the limits of the forum code of conduct can it?

[Cougar]

Aptorian, on Jul 4 2009, 09:45 PM, said:

Hmm.

Not to be the spoil sport in this little happy conversation of yours BUT I think we're straying from the topic of the reasons for and against and why weed and other drugs are illegal, to the subject of favored forms of drugs and how the forum members are using them. This can't possibly be within the limits of the forum code of conduct can it?

Huh, not sure. Plus it's his thread and CI is involved so I call topic fine.

Terez, you literally could not skin up with the amount of skunk it is safe to put in a J these days over here, it's getting stupidly strong. I'm talking barely a sprinkle, like the amount of salt you might put on your chips (fries).

Anyhow Terez is correct about one thing. Canabis is a losers drug. It drains away all your motivation, I gave up because it stops you doing anything worthwhile.

[Terez]

Cougar, on Jul 4 2009, 04:33 PM, said:

Anyhow Terez is correct about one thing. Canabis is a losers drug. It drains away all your motivation, I gave up because it stops you doing anything worthwhile.

I didn't say that; I just said that people who smoke massive amounts of it are idiots. When you smoke too much of it, that's when it drains your motivation and makes you stupid. The main thing that makes the mass-consumption idiotic is that it kills your tolerance, to where you don't really get high, but just stoned. Moderation is the key to an enjoyable pot habit.

I also don't understand the compulsion to smoke the whole J. Take a couple of puffs and put it out if it's that strong. We can get weed with high THC concentration here too, you know. My brother smokes nothing but the really strong stuff. I'm broke, so I buy schwag.

[D'rek]

Aptorian, on Jul 4 2009, 04:45 PM, said:

Hmm.

Not to be the spoil sport in this little happy conversation of yours BUT I think we're straying from the topic of the reasons for and against and why weed and other drugs are illegal, to the subject of favored forms of drugs and how the forum members are using them. This can't possibly be within the limits of the forum code of conduct can it?

Well the topic wasn't even originally about reasoning for or against legalization, it was just about whether legalization would increase or decrease your usage... Oh well, I got my bit across.

This post has been edited by D'rek: 05 July 2009 - 03:23 AM

[Icarium Kalam]

smoke that chron

[DurhangAddict]

Cougar, on Jul 4 2009, 05:33 PM, said:

Anyhow Terez is correct about one thing. Canabis is a losers drug. It drains away all your motivation, I gave up because it stops you doing anything worthwhile.

It might stop you from doing anything worthwhile, but it goes back to the "everyone's body chemistry is different" thing. For some people what you say is true. When I smoke Cannabis, I get motivated. I focus on the task at hand to the exclusion of all else. And I know I am not unique in this.

On the other hand, when I have a few drinks, I just want to have a nap. Does that make me say "alcohol is a loser's drug, it makes you tired and unmotivated?" No, because a friend of mine has a few drinks and wants to dance all night. People's bodies don't always react the same way to substances, and you shouldn't generalize.

[Gothos]

DurhangAddict, on Jul 5 2009, 05:27 PM, said:

On the other hand, when I have a few drinks, I just want to have a nap.

not the strongest head for it are you?

[DurhangAddict]

Gothos, on Jul 5 2009, 01:31 PM, said:

DurhangAddict, on Jul 5 2009, 05:27 PM, said:

On the other hand, when I have a few drinks, I just want to have a nap.

not the strongest head for it are you?

Used to, but after getting alcohol poisoning a few times I keep better track of how many I've had

I bet I could smoke you under the table though

[Gothos]

most probably yes since I don't do that shit more often than once a year
you'd have no chance on alcohol though, by default

[Terez]

DurhangAddict, on Jul 5 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

Cougar, on Jul 4 2009, 05:33 PM, said:

Anyhow Terez is correct about one thing. Canabis is a losers drug. It drains away all your motivation, I gave up because it stops you doing anything worthwhile.

It might stop you from doing anything worthwhile, but it goes back to the "everyone's body chemistry is different" thing. For some people what you say is true. When I smoke Cannabis, I get motivated. I focus on the task at hand to the exclusion of all else. And I know I am not unique in this.

You aren't; I'm the same way. The problem with people like us is that we're more vulnerable to marijuana addiction. It motivates you, so you start thinking "I need to be high for this", for pretty much every important thing you have to do, after a while. Then it's easy to get into the habit of smoking too much.

[DurhangAddict]

Terez, on Jul 5 2009, 03:19 PM, said:

DurhangAddict, on Jul 5 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

Cougar, on Jul 4 2009, 05:33 PM, said:

Anyhow Terez is correct about one thing. Canabis is a losers drug. It drains away all your motivation, I gave up because it stops you doing anything worthwhile.

It might stop you from doing anything worthwhile, but it goes back to the "everyone's body chemistry is different" thing. For some people what you say is true. When I smoke Cannabis, I get motivated. I focus on the task at hand to the exclusion of all else. And I know I am not unique in this.

You aren't; I'm the same way. The problem with people like us is that we're more vulnerable to marijuana addiction. It motivates you, so you start thinking "I need to be high for this", for pretty much every important thing you have to do, after a while. Then it's easy to get into the habit of smoking too much.

It's a constant struggle A struggle I've long since made my peace with, however

The important distinction is that it is a psychological addiction, not a physical one.

[Gothos]

could be that an increase in it's use may pull you from the focused to the stoned category, not?

[DurhangAddict]

Gothos, on Jul 5 2009, 03:48 PM, said:

could be that an increase in it's use may pull you from the focused to the stoned category, not?

From time to time, but for me its the exception not the rule. I am also able to recognize when this happens and deal with it.

[Adjutant Stormy~]

Cougar, on Jul 4 2009, 03:59 AM, said:

In this country it would be astonishingly rare for you to smoke a joint without tobacco. The main reason, and I'll refer to my own experience here is that in North America weed tended to be quite weak, so skinning up with a load of it was OK, over here we used to get quite a lot of resin, you have to mix this with tobacco to even make a joint. Recently we have begun to pick up just the most powerful skunk I can ever imagine, much more potent than 10 years ago to the point where you only need to put in a miniscule amount to get blasted. You simply couldnt use this and nothing else in a joint otherwise you'd white on the spot. We used to get through about an ounce a week at un of skunki. After a while I realised you can get non-tobacco mixers like herbal tobacco and these are far better for you than crumbling in a cig or using a pouch.

I don't know where you live, but it certainly isn't California.

Cougar, on Jul 4 2009, 02:33 PM, said:

Anyhow Terez is correct about one thing. Canabis is a losers drug. It drains away all your motivation, I gave up because it stops you doing anything worthwhile.

I am a void of original intellectual thought for probably 48 hours after getting fairly high. I noticed this, and so I lay off the stuff. But it's subtle, and I think that's why the difference really isn't noticed, or people don't care. I mean, there is the body chemistry argument (which I think is largely overblown) but kids who are ostensibly in school every day, presumably to learn something, shouldn't have to carry that kind of dead weight. And you can see it have a serious impact, especially with kids who really weren't that clever to begin with.

And you can't control it if you don't tolerate it.

[Terez]

I think that some Europeans have gotten hold of some bad schwag in the States and made the assumption that we don't have good weed over here. Bullocks, we have awesome weed here. I can even get schwag that is damn near as good as the expensive stuff.

I agree that weed is definitely more dangerous for the kids who aren't all that clever to begin with - those are the ones that tend to smoke too much (not smart enough to figure out that it doesn't work like that).