Re-read of Liosan, not gonna make it a 10-page epic ballad like some of my previous posts.
Here's a great one:
D'riss, on Jun 22 2009, 08:28 AM, said:
Liosan, on Jun 22 2009, 05:24 PM, said:
Who is this Lioan character?
And to HP, if the healing/curing of infected actually works, then the healer and Duncan should just keep doing that every night to effectively kick the DG in the balls and keep him on the mat for the entire game.
Pardon
Remove vote Vote Liosan
There we go, and you continue to discuss what the healer should or shouldn't do, you know, the only thing you are accomplishing is working under Best case scenario. We may not even have a healer, so what good does this conversation do?
Note I quoted D'riss, but the internal quote is Lio possibly offering some WIFOM. He's guns blazing for beaning the DG.
I mention the D'riss quote because he comes right onto Liosan for the post, including a vote. Guess who got infected that night? D'riss. Too obvious? So is telling everyone you want to get kicked in the balls.
Talks about starting the idea of infected outing themselves.
Liosan, on Jun 22 2009, 08:42 AM, said:
In fact, D'riss, most of the people on-thread have talked about it in one form or another, so I'm curious why you singled me out since I'm not even the one who started the discussion. I was the first person who suggested that infected players out themselves, so maybe you consider me the biggest threat to the Doppelganger cause?
Seems kind of like a decent argument to secretly find out nice and early how in control you will have of your recruits in the game (if they can or can't reveal). Again WIFOM for "first suggesting it."
More healer/SO speculation:
Liosan, on Jun 22 2009, 10:41 AM, said:
I don't think an outed infected dying in the night necessarily means there is no healer. It could just as easily mean that the healer can't heal an SO, given that Morgy promised complicated roles. I don't think it gives the scum any extra info in that regard.
edit: @omtose
More infected reveal discussion.
Liosan, on Jun 22 2009, 01:56 PM, said:
*GIANT QUOTE SNIP*
Except we're dealing with scum, too. So we lynch day one. ALWAYS.
I also don't think you noted that the DG can designate a new replacement every night. Don't you think the DG would rather his replacement be somebody hand-picked, rather than the random alt he gets at the beginning? If anything, the first infected has more incentive for revealing than future infected.
DG has a lot of incentive for the first infected revealing, too.
(Skipping several other quotes including stuff about how the odds are good for infected, town win-win, etc, all about infected revealing)
Day 2, has a suspect list to cover his day 1 infected-revealing media blitz.
Liosan, on Jun 23 2009, 09:48 AM, said:
So I tried to keep the conversation about infected revealing going for a while there to do two things - one: get the infected to reveal; whether it is actually a good play for them, it is definitely a good play for the town. Two: see who would nay-say it and try to convince the infected not to reveal; clear anti-town behavior.
Tellan was the most blatant, but I am also suspicious of the following people:
Eloth, offers reasons why the infected should not reveal themselves:
Galain, says that if there is any chance the DG is going to get lynched, the infected shouldn't reveal, offers advice to the first infected on how they should play instead of revealing:
Silanah, his comments against revealing are very slight (don't reveal or you might go BOOM). It's directed at scum and how they should play as infected, but could easily be meant for anyone:
D'riss, might still be a little bit of OMGUS in my suspicion of D'riss, but he basically tried to strong-arm me into not talking about revealing:
The list might not be complete, but I'd say it's a good place to start looking for the DG.
Rashan is a good bet, voting for night and all to get another infection, but he's being so obvious in his fumbling, I'm convinced he's a just a complete noob. Of course, nowhere in the rules does it say the DG can't be the noob player...
Hilarious post in hindsight if Lio is the DG:
Liosan, on Jun 23 2009, 10:13 AM, said:
@Galain: I know you were agreeing most of the time, and maybe I misinterpreted the post I quoted, but I was looking for even the subtlest hints of nay-saying. The DG's not gonna come out and say, "don't reveal, don't reveal, don't reveal." He's more likely going to appear agreeable, but drop subtle nay-says like that.
(Helps build a case on Mockra... another easy lynch target, calls me a possible symp possibly setting up second lynch. Tellan was his first train. Also, he mentions Eloth several times over the span of his posts. Not quoting for brevity.)
More stuff on DG abilities.
Liosan, on Jun 24 2009, 09:22 PM, said:
Mockra, on Jun 24 2009, 10:24 PM, said:
Damn forum downs...
Wow I wasn't expecting all this talk about me from my one post while I was checking in...
I didn't vote under pressure... I voted as I found him to be the best candidate earlier and others didn't seem to hesitate. Why should putting him at l-3 be a bad thing from my position.. its not like i am hammering him with 20 hours left. The reason I placed my vote is that I was hoping for a speed lynch on the inevitable target so the 2 infected players in play would die from not having their vote on a specific alt if that power is currently in effect. The fact that 2 people jumped on my is beginning to make me think that there is the DG forcing them to do so which gives me much more suspicions of Sil. It seems not many of you realized that I made a post with a vote that I said I would place earlier and you all begin talking about me over reacting...
Im going to leave my vote where it is and we still have 7 hours with Rash at L-2.
Copy pasta
You admit to wanting a speed-lynch? Something that is only good for scum? On the off-chance that a)the DG compelled his infected (which, as discussed earlier, is incredibly unlikely/stupid) and b)they haven't already put their votes down and wouldn't have been around later to do so either? You want to sacrifice loads of information and discussion on the stupidly small chance of outing or killing a couple infected?
Admitting to wanting a speed-lynch! I can't even wrap my head around it... Clearly, we need to put another person in the idiot box.
Calls compulsion stupid (more WIFOM?).
(Berates Mockra a lot. Removes a vote on him to prove not compulsed infected. Lots more Mockra hate, some more possible setup of me if Mockra CFs scum)
This post almost looks self-congratulatory:
Liosan, on Jun 25 2009, 04:36 PM, said:
Hood's Path, on Jun 25 2009, 07:30 PM, said:
To Liosan
If you're the DG why not try playing your best to look like an RI so as to avoid suspicion, the DG is one of the most hunted roles, so surely the best cover for the DG would be to the one of the people who seems him as a very big threat.
I didn't vote for you at first cause I was still trying to decide if taken out Mockra over you was a better priority.
But a chance to take out DG and potentially stop that threat is a top priority.
So
Vote Liosan
You're right, HP. As an RI, I definitely should have tried to act scummier. As you can see, that method of play has clearly been
very helpful for the town so far.
(First person to actively go after Game's reveal as possibly fake. He's started a lot of the discussion this game about the infected and the DG's actions, or basically DG-crusade style talk)
(Lots of HP berating, random talk about festival)
Finally, sets up for Meanas or Korlat later without comitting a vote. (Kasch had a vote on Meanas already)
Liosan, on Jun 27 2009, 12:39 PM, said:
We could have had zero f-ing kills if everyone had just stayed indoors, but oh well.
I agree Meanas and Korlat need to start giving us content. Their posts are pretty much nil on content so far. If they don't start posting by later today, I will consider voting for one of them.