[Galain]

Path-Shaper, on Jun 28 2009, 06:11 AM, said:

it's day 4. 8 hours and 30 min left of the day.

12 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night

1 vote for Galain: ( Gamelon )
1 vote for Liosan: ( Galain )
2 votes for Meanas: ( Kaschan, Emurlahn )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas

After some consideration, I've decided to stop the timer until tomorow morning. I cannot in good conscience run this game during a time when no one can participate. The day continues, but the timer has stopped.

Yay. When is the day starting again?

[Galain]

Just wanted to add that while I think it's healthy to examine the low-posters, I highly doubt we'll find the DG in there.

With the day frozen I probably will only be on intermittently today.

[Galain]

Also, Ampelas, if you think a FM, then how does that compare with Emur's reveal that he vigged Thyr?

[Hood's Path]

I suspect everyone apart from Gamelon, I can understand his argument but I also understand Galain's argument about Liosan.

If Liosan is scum, I believe he's the DG, suggesting that Gamelon was fake revealing is understandable, but wouldn't it be to the advantage of the DG to suggest that Gamelon was lying:

a ) if he can swing the lynch on to Gamelon then he can remove a person who has revealed as Duncan, who is a threat to him, cause Gamelon's disinfect will reveal the DG, and I guess the DG doesn't want to take that risk.
b ) also maybe he was hoping that the reveal wasn't just to give info to innos but to protect his partner, in that case he had either me or eloth to choose from, as I've easily have played the worst so far, it was more likely me but how about try and push a serious argument and hope that Gamelon's partner reveal, then he knows who Duncan and Janice are for sure and all he got to do is try and infect a killer to allow for this situation he suggested in his argument.

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I'd say WCS is that Game is one of two killers and he killed Duncan last night and is now a symp of the DG. The killers then agreed to then get his sister to reveal so they can kill her and infect/symp the other killer, thus joining the scum into one communicating all-powerful force with coordinated killing and infecting powers that will crush us all. It might not be likely, but it sure-as-fuck is scary and I don't think we can necessarily take Game's reveal as holy truth. After that monastery game, I'm especially suspicious of people who reveal and then disappear for long periods of time.

Maybe he is putting that as a message to the killers in that if they are infected go for Duncan or Janice and they can all win together.

Also the "I'm especially suspicious of people who reveal and then disappear for long periods of time", suggests that he would be suspicious of Gamelon and that Gamelon may be at the top of the list unless evidence comes to suggest he is Duncan, me revealing.

Liosan seems to be a tad fond of throwing people's name's out without suggesting which one he is more willing to go for.

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I agree Meanas and Korlat need to start giving us content. Their posts are pretty much nil on content so far. If they don't start posting by later today, I will consider voting for one of them.

Maybe when he comes back he will carefully look at each one, or see who is most to get lynched and then put up an argument based on which one is closest to lycnhing has said, I mean in my view a good scum will let us do his work for him while subtly guides us along.

The quote below was made in post 1025, in it Liosan quoted Galain's vote on me.

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This post jumped out to me. You can talk all you want about how you have no reservations about lynching Mockra, but from where I'm sitting, it looks like you're trying to railroad another noob to save Mockra's ass again. I guess only time will tell, but I remain suspicious.

Ok just cause Mockra was innocent doesn't mean Galain isn't, but he heavily suggested that Galain was symping mockra in quite a few other posts.

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Okay, since Rashan is now fixin' to get hammered, I guess I'm going to

remove vote

as discussed earlier (making it harder for the DG to compel and all that). My vote is still on Mockra, though. In fact, I think there are, like, 3 unregistered votes on Mockra right now, just in case, I dunno, you guys wanna bag a definite scum, 'cause Mockra is scummy as shit.

Considering that Liosan ridiculed Mockra's idea of speed lynching to catch out compelled infected in a few posts like the one quoted below. Why add that little bit of removing his vote to show he wasn't compelled, we all argued that it was very unlikely that compel would have been used that day, also the above posts he says there was a chance of getting mockra lynched that day, could have that been an attempt to split the vote just as day times out?

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(Mockra @ Jun 25 2009, 01:41 AM)

Well based on how the voting was going I suspected that there wouldn't be another viable lynch target for the day so I wanted to lynch before infected players could place a vote on their forced target. I know nobody else would have pushed the lynch but that is what I was hoping for as it would have gotten rid of 2 infected who would do the DG's bidding. Now the infected are either the 2 voting for me currently or are on the Rashan train and based on Kaschan not voting for anyone, it seems he might not be infected. I didn't really want to mention lynching when I placed my vote as I didn't want the infected to get their votes down in a flurry.
@Liosan, You think getting rid of 2 infected is only good for scum? I disagree but you can think what you like
Now Rashan is at L-1 so I suspect someone will hammer shortly and we will see if any infected have not placed their needed votes if the effect is in place. Right now the 2 people who I suspect are infected are the 2 voting for me and Sil as the DG.

Repeating your silly argument doesn't make it any less silly. In fact, it might make it more silly. You do realize the DG doesn't have to compel, right? The chances of your plan working were so stupidly small, I don't even know why we're talking about it.

Vote Liosan

Edited to remove a silly emoticon

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 28 June 2009 - 03:40 PM

[Liosan]

Wow, Galain, that case on me really looks a lot like HP's case on me from yesterday: something that boils down "he's been so anti-DG that he must actually be the DG," and it's pure WIFOM bullshit. In fact, I believe you berated HP and called him scum for making the "meager" case yesterday:

Galain, on Jun 25 2009, 07:41 PM, said:

Also, right now, I am majorly torn between Hood's Path for the QUESTIONNAIRE and his meager case on Liosan, Mockra for all-around scumminess, and Kaschan for a vanishing act. And the day still has over 20 hours left!

You're case is a little more eloquent, but it's the exact same thing. Except for the inclusion of the post from earlier today, where I simply wanted put a tiny bit of pressure on the low-posters to post more (which they both did, a little bit, and the day timer stopped anyway, so it's no big deal anymore).

I really can't see why you've done a complete about-face, berating a case one day and making it the next, but you've certainly jumped back onto my scum-dar.

And then there's this in your summary of GL's posts:

Galain, on Jun 27 2009, 11:08 PM, said:

*snip*

Galayn Lord, on Jun 24 2009, 12:37 PM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 24 2009, 02:31 PM, said:

So GL what do you think?

As I said in 602, why was Silanah misdirecting off Rashan? Why did Mockra freak out after a vote that could certainly be just a testing vote and go against what he said previously to vote?

And then Eloth, as I just noted, keeps saying 'leave the cult alone, find the scum'... now, I'm worried about the scum too, but I think the cult is more dangerous, afaik the cult can infect the scum and become ubercult with mushroom bombs.

I assume people die to mushroom bombs. I need to read this book, anyway... order of suspicion right now:
Mockra
Eloth
Silanah/Rashan.

Rashan's night vote was wierd... but he MIGHT have been confused thinking the DG would have forced their one target to vote how they wanted, and was hoping to get an infected gone. Silly, but possible. Stranger things have happened. As I noted, I don't like Silanah's misdirection off Rashan. But now he is apparently not suspicious of Mockra but suspicious of me and if I keep harping on it I am obviously a killer and am freaking out, so my rambling ends now.

Note that every person he named is now dead... WIFOM kills or someone framing him?
*snip*

Eloth's not dead, dude. Or maybe you already sent in your kill provisional? Or did infect him last night so that he's effectively dead? This is a huge slip, and in my experience, 100% of the time, when someone mixes up a player's name like this, it means they are scum.

At the risk of OMGUS, I'm not going to vote for you, but I am now reinforcing the Game camp of urging people to look closer at you. I'd be willing to go "all-in" on you turning up scum.

[Liosan]

Oh, good, a crosspost, of course you've got HP eating out of your hand now.

HP, come on. Don't you think you should trust the guy who you know is innocent and who is telling you not to trust Galain?

[Emurlahn]

the roles are pretty clear, there is no fm.

[Hood's Path]

So you wouldn't mind if Gamelon was to disinfect you the night coming then?

[Emurlahn]

not in the slightest

[Hood's Path]

Oops Emurlahn I was asking if Liosan was willing to have Gamelon disinfect him tonight, cause in my view if he scum he most likely the DG.

[Liosan]

I'm going to respond to HP's points, then I've got to go hang out with the ladyfriend. It looks like we'll have plenty of time to discuss this now anyway:

For the last time, I wasn't trying to get Gamelon lynched. Accusing me of that makes you sound so ridiculous. I was skeptical of his reveal because I believe infected would have plenty of reasons to fake-reveal, and no-one seemed to be thinking about that.

Let's see, after that you put a lot of words in my mouth that are stupid and untrue...

I already commented on the Meanas/Korlat pressure.

The remove vote was not because I believed people had been compelled that day, it was to set a precedent to make it harder for the DG to use compel in the future when he needed to. I believe I made that clear in one of my posts that day, so use your brain.

Aww, and then you quoted the part where I called you silly to make sure we all know that the vote is just you being angry at me. Cheers.

[Liosan]

Hood's Path, on Jun 28 2009, 11:42 AM, said:

So you wouldn't mind if Gamelon was to disinfect you the night coming then?

It would be a waste of a find/cure, but it's not like I can stop you. And a wasted find is better than a wasted lynch, I suppose, if that is my other option.

[Hood's Path]

Look liosan can you just agree to have Gamelon disinfect you?

[Hood's Path]

Oops crosspost, well it up to Gamelon if he does it but I'm willing to trust that if you're willing to risk a disinfect, then you may not be the DG.

I'll drop my case on you, and support Gamelon's case of Galain instead.

Remove vote
Vote Galain

[Galain]

Liosan, on Jun 28 2009, 08:36 AM, said:

Wow, Galain, that case on me really looks a lot like HP's case on me from yesterday: something that boils down "he's been so anti-DG that he must actually be the DG," and it's pure WIFOM bullshit. In fact, I believe you berated HP and called him scum for making the "meager" case yesterday:

Galain, on Jun 25 2009, 07:41 PM, said:

Also, right now, I am majorly torn between Hood's Path for the QUESTIONNAIRE and his meager case on Liosan, Mockra for all-around scumminess, and Kaschan for a vanishing act. And the day still has over 20 hours left!

You're case is a little more eloquent, but it's the exact same thing. Except for the inclusion of the post from earlier today, where I simply wanted put a tiny bit of pressure on the low-posters to post more (which they both did, a little bit, and the day timer stopped anyway, so it's no big deal anymore).

I really can't see why you've done a complete about-face, berating a case one day and making it the next, but you've certainly jumped back onto my scum-dar.

And then there's this in your summary of GL's posts:

Galain, on Jun 27 2009, 11:08 PM, said:

*snip*

Galayn Lord, on Jun 24 2009, 12:37 PM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 24 2009, 02:31 PM, said:

So GL what do you think?

As I said in 602, why was Silanah misdirecting off Rashan? Why did Mockra freak out after a vote that could certainly be just a testing vote and go against what he said previously to vote?

And then Eloth, as I just noted, keeps saying 'leave the cult alone, find the scum'... now, I'm worried about the scum too, but I think the cult is more dangerous, afaik the cult can infect the scum and become ubercult with mushroom bombs.

I assume people die to mushroom bombs. I need to read this book, anyway... order of suspicion right now:
Mockra
Eloth
Silanah/Rashan.

Rashan's night vote was wierd... but he MIGHT have been confused thinking the DG would have forced their one target to vote how they wanted, and was hoping to get an infected gone. Silly, but possible. Stranger things have happened. As I noted, I don't like Silanah's misdirection off Rashan. But now he is apparently not suspicious of Mockra but suspicious of me and if I keep harping on it I am obviously a killer and am freaking out, so my rambling ends now.

Note that every person he named is now dead... WIFOM kills or someone framing him?
*snip*

Eloth's not dead, dude. Or maybe you already sent in your kill provisional? Or did infect him last night so that he's effectively dead? This is a huge slip, and in my experience, 100% of the time, when someone mixes up a player's name like this, it means they are scum.

At the risk of OMGUS, I'm not going to vote for you, but I am now reinforcing the Game camp of urging people to look closer at you. I'd be willing to go "all-in" on you turning up scum.

Well yes, I misspoke. Dunno why you'd think if I was scum I'd go after Eloth when I basically said he was almost certainly infected last night (by you). WIFOM or no, I think there is ENOUGH WIFOM that I am pretty confident now that you are the DG.

Also, I'll happily take your money on that bet.

[Galain]

Liosan, on Jun 28 2009, 08:38 AM, said:

Oh, good, a crosspost, of course you've got HP eating out of your hand now.

HP, come on. Don't you think you should trust the guy who you know is innocent and who is telling you not to trust Galain?

lol, way to go from saying HP is eating out of my hand to saying he should eat out of yours, instead. And nice try to deflect it by saying Gamelon's name as cover.

[Galain]

Liosan, on Jun 28 2009, 08:53 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 28 2009, 11:42 AM, said:

So you wouldn't mind if Gamelon was to disinfect you the night coming then?

It would be a waste of a find/cure, but it's not like I can stop you. And a wasted find is better than a wasted lynch, I suppose, if that is my other option.

lol, I love this post. After re-reading Lio's post, I put myself in his position and have immediately gained a lot of respect for how he has played this game. He decided to play the Crusader against the Doppleganger and Champion of the Infected. My hat's off to you, but it's now more clear than ever who the Doppleganger is.

[Hood's Path]

Well my view is Galain, if Liosan is the DG, he played it so fucking well that barely no one considering him, why do you think I want Gamelon to disinfect him tonight, that way we can be sure.

[Galain]

Hood's Path, on Jun 28 2009, 08:56 AM, said:

Oops crosspost, well it up to Gamelon if he does it but I'm willing to trust that if you're willing to risk a disinfect, then you may not be the DG.

I'll drop my case on you, and support Gamelon's case of Galain instead.

Remove vote
Vote Galain

HP, I realize you've spent the majority of this game asking for other's opinions and then you flat-out blew it yesterday for us by exposing yourself. Thankfully, you are still alive and not infected, but a large part of why you aren't infected is, in my belief, because I said quite eloquently that the DG had to try to infect you over the weekend while Game was gone (luckily he got net access from a new phone).

Now, despite your mistakes, you are still in this game and for all intents and purposes, VPI. You made the first decent case on Liosan and both times he's been examined (now by me, too), he has only thrown out cuss words and stamped his feet a lot. He basically just said above that it would be a waste of a cure to use the night action on him because he isn't going to overtly act like he wants to draw it. He knows that he's going to get lynched today, or tomorrow if you errantly decide to lynch me today.

So, for what it's worth, congrats, you found out Lio first. But I have never been so sure of anything in this game as I am of Lio's culpability.

[Galain]

Hood's Path, on Jun 28 2009, 09:07 AM, said:

Well my view is Galain, if Liosan is the DG, he played it so fucking well that barely no one considering him, why do you think I want Gamelon to disinfect him tonight, that way we can be sure.

I dunno why people constantly say this: "They played well, so he gets a shot at winning/living/etc." Do you really think it's MORE likely that I'm going to CF scum/infected than Liosan is going to CF infected?