[Galain]

Gamelon, on Jun 24 2009, 01:27 AM, said:

Silanah, on Jun 24 2009, 04:18 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Jun 24 2009, 10:15 AM, said:

I think hte DG would NOT bother putting in a compulsion today. There is too much risk of exposing his recruits.
But if he DID it would probably have been on rashan as he would have been the obvious lynch for today.

So if we do not lynch rashan...i suggest EVERYONE removes there vote form him.

In fact i have a better idea.
If someone is about to get lynched everyone has to remove there votes from all other players before the hammer gets dropped.
This might stop the DG from using his compulsion as his recruits cant then remove votes or they will die.


edit - added "NOT"

You are of course assuming that we will all have to be on at the exact time, just before the hammer is dropped. You are aware of this right?

Edit: Being nice: Other than that one tiny flaw, your idea is a good one.

fuck that...make time.

we can usually see who are the main lynch candidates by halfway through the day.
So the guys who leave votes on random players that more than likely wont get voted off should just remove there votes when they are on.
If you know you are not going to be around at deadline then you make sure you leave your vote on the right place or dont vote at all.
Goddammit MAKE IT WORK

Still catching up and I think it's a great idea but even if people make time, what about lynch timers in the middle of your night? Also, yesterday, two candidates had the same number of votes over halfway through the day so it's not always a forgone conclusion who will be lynched. But overall, I like the idea. Just not sure how we can effectively execute it at this stage of the game.

[Path-Shaper]

Hood's Path, on Jun 24 2009, 03:24 PM, said:

OK, just to clarify what would you class as meta? I'm guessing summations from us on how scum generally behave from other games may be classed as such?

Meta is saying that any players (using their names) would do this or that if they are this or that.... That is meta...

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 24 June 2009 - 03:33 PM

[Hood's Path]

OK my bad.

[Rashan]

All right I was reading back on some of the earlier conversations and something has struck me as a bit odd. Karatillid twice mentioned that he had problems with my vote against Galain. Why should he care about my random vote against anyone? Why should he care what, according to everyone, an idiot tries to draw attention to?

This looks like you are trying to protect Galain who didn't need help from anyone to defend himself. I'm no expert but that at the least has to be a bit suspisous.

[Karatallid]

Rashan, on Jun 24 2009, 04:38 PM, said:

All right I was reading back on some of the earlier conversations and something has struck me as a bit odd. Karatillid twice mentioned that he had problems with my vote against Galain. Why should he care about my random vote against anyone? Why should he care what, according to everyone, an idiot tries to draw attention to?

This looks like you are trying to protect Galain who didn't need help from anyone to defend himself. I'm no expert but that at the least has to be a bit suspisous.

Do you know what OMGUS is?

[Galain]

And caught up. Just some things I noted.

The Rashan train has cooled down quite a bit. This is good, but I'm not going to switch my vote because he has done a LOT of incredibly inconsistent things and my belief still remains that it is because of mistakes he's made.

Mockra has suddenly accumulated three votes. I would not at all be surprised if two of them were infected... I'll have more on this in a few minutes. Mockra's behavior is definitely suspicious, but it's not nearly as suspicious as Rashan's overall behavior.

@Rashan, I actually saw the exact same thing about Karat and was wondering why he was symping me. Yes, he says it's about the OMGUS vote but why go out of his way to say my name each time? And you're also right, I do not need help defending myself.

[Rashan]

Emurlahn, on Jun 24 2009, 05:22 AM, said:

@gamelon - good plan in theory but what if the dg doesnt use compulsion, or the players just aren't on to remove? I suppose we could use it as an indicator but it may be misleading and as its far from concrete, harmful as a result.

@kara - then why not say that? Seriously is it so hard to outline your reasoning when you place a vote, i don't keep a written record of every comment people make and if you just vote without a reference to a case i will just assume you don't have one. Also saying someone is acting scummy without actually quoting and making a case is just words, it isnt evidence and it isnt compelling.

if i was going to vote for rashan it would be due to his comment regarding tellan. The whole we will avenge you line was the scummiest thing he said as he not only hammered tellan, but could only have known he was inno if he was scum.

remove vote

I will take your word for it that you had interactions yesterday and a case, but in future if people would actually highlight the case they are making when they vote rather than just assume we know their every move, it would make our job a lot easier.

I hammered him because it looked inevitably that he was going to get lynched and I didn't want to risk things swinging back my way. as for the comment that we will avenge him was made after it was reveled that he was an innocent after his death.

[Ampelas]

Back and catching up.

[Ampelas]

Well, first of all since Rashan is around I'll ask him to clarify if he still claims to be infected, or if he was joking before

[Karatallid]

Galain, on Jun 24 2009, 04:49 PM, said:

Mockra has suddenly accumulated three votes. I would not at all be surprised if two of them were infected... I'll have more on this in a few minutes. Mockra's behavior is definitely suspicious, but it's not nearly as suspicious as Rashan's overall behavior.

Like I said earlier, we're going to go insane if every time someone switches mobs, or stays on the same mob all day, or votes for someone at the start of the day, or votes for someone at the end of the day, they are accused of being infected.

And if you find Mockra's behavious suspicious, why do you think the people voting for him are likely to be infected, rather than voting for him because they find him suspicious?

Also, did you see the brief discussion earlier about whether the DG would be likely to compulse anyone today? We concluded probably not. Do you disagree?

Galain, on Jun 24 2009, 04:49 PM, said:

@Rashan, I actually saw the exact same thing about Karat and was wondering why he was symping me. Yes, he says it's about the OMGUS vote but why go out of his way to say my name each time? And you're also right, I do not need help defending myself.

What?

Firstly, in what way am I symping you? You say yourself that you don't need help, you've never been in any danger, why would I bother?

Secondly, What exactly do you mean by "why go out of his way to say my name each time?"? Obviously, I said your name to point out the event I was talking about. In what way is this going out of my way? And how else should I have phrased it? "I have a problem with Rashan's OMGUS vote on a certain player, whose name begins with G and has 6 letters"? This is one of the stupidest accusations i've seen in mafia, and i've seen some really stupid ones.

Thirdly, "he says it's about the OMGUS vote"? It is about the OMGUS vote! I don't see how I could be clearer. Do you find OMGUS votes suspicious, or not? If so, I don't see why you have a problem with it. If not, why not?

[Eloth]

Path-Shaper, on Jun 24 2009, 03:37 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Jun 24 2009, 01:19 PM, said:

Exactly why I don't like to play live games any more. Maybe its just the group I was with, a bunch of stupid drama kids at my high school, but they insisted that it starts with role distribution and a kill.

Edit: The only day I did play with them, I raised a bit of a stink that it wasn't starting in day phase, because frankly it was rather stupid. Also, they didn't lynch on clear majority, they lynched on most votes. It would be like, one guy got 2 votes and everyone else got 1 vote, the guy with 2 died. It was retarded. It destroyed the fous of the game, namely, discussion and debate skill building.

That isn't Mafia that is mob rule.....Also know as a game for retards....

A lot of RL mafia groups start in night, but then 'kill' the mod to give everyone a chance to play.

[Hood's Path]

Path-Shaper, on Jun 23 2009, 07:22 AM, said:

D'riss, on Jun 23 2009, 03:19 PM, said:

Hey yesterday, PS(venge) said that the timer was off 2 hours and we would have 2 hours after deadline, because the manager was wrong. Do we still have that, or is the current timer correct?

I said that the timer was off by 20 minutes... nice try though.... You have 20 minutes after the deadline...

It is Day 1. 1 hour and 53 minutes remaining

21 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Serc, Silanah, Tellan, Thyrllan

11 votes to lynch, 11 votes to go to night

10 votes for Tellan: ( Liosan, Ampelas, Barghast, Emurlahn, Mockra, Korlat, D'riss, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Thyrllan )
1 vote for Eloth: ( Serc )
4 votes for Rashan: ( Tellan, Galain, Omtose, Karatallid )

Players not voted: Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Meanas, Rashan, Silanah

Rashan, on Jun 23 2009, 07:44 AM, said:

Silanah, on Jun 23 2009, 08:30 AM, said:

So I have looked over both Tellan and Rashan and the cases against them and tbh I am torn.
From my point of view:

Rashan:
Looks more like an idiot than anything else. His logic is flawed and his um... strategy makes no sense.

Tellan:
On the other hand we have a Tellan who is blatantly sympathetic towards the infected. Which baffles me, because he is one of those that wants as many people to win as possible or he is the infected/DG, which seems ludicrous (Yes I do try to credit my fellow players with some modicum of intelligence).

As it stands, I am more likely leaning towards Tellan.

And no I am not voting just yet, we have time and I am not convinced enough that one is a better choice than the other.

Thanks silanah. Yes your honor I plead not guilty due to insanity.

At this point I think I need to jump on the Tellan train as frankly it's a case of better him and not me. I'm still not convinced that he's the best choice but I guess we will find out

Vote Tellan

Rashan there was an hour and 53 minutes to go till end of day, Tellan needed one vote to die, you needed 7, 22 minutes later you came and hammered Tellan. I mean you would have to have stood up and then started jumping up and down screaming that you're DG, to have a high chance of getting those 7 extra votes in that amount of time.

Just out of curiousity why did you think that Tellan wasn't the best choice?

[Path-Shaper]

Eloth, on Jun 24 2009, 04:07 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on Jun 24 2009, 03:37 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Jun 24 2009, 01:19 PM, said:

Exactly why I don't like to play live games any more. Maybe its just the group I was with, a bunch of stupid drama kids at my high school, but they insisted that it starts with role distribution and a kill.

Edit: The only day I did play with them, I raised a bit of a stink that it wasn't starting in day phase, because frankly it was rather stupid. Also, they didn't lynch on clear majority, they lynched on most votes. It would be like, one guy got 2 votes and everyone else got 1 vote, the guy with 2 died. It was retarded. It destroyed the fous of the game, namely, discussion and debate skill building.

That isn't Mafia that is mob rule.....Also know as a game for retards....

A lot of RL mafia groups start in night, but then 'kill' the mod to give everyone a chance to play.

Moronic...

[Eloth]

Galain, on Jun 24 2009, 05:49 PM, said:

And caught up. Just some things I noted.

The Rashan train has cooled down quite a bit. This is good, but I'm not going to switch my vote because he has done a LOT of incredibly inconsistent things and my belief still remains that it is because of mistakes he's made.

Mockra has suddenly accumulated three votes. I would not at all be surprised if two of them were infected... I'll have more on this in a few minutes. Mockra's behavior is definitely suspicious, but it's not nearly as suspicious as Rashan's overall behavior.

@Rashan, I actually saw the exact same thing about Karat and was wondering why he was symping me. Yes, he says it's about the OMGUS vote but why go out of his way to say my name each time? And you're also right, I do not need help defending myself.

Dunno about the votes on Mockra being infected. I mean the votes are for a valid enough reason, do you think the two infected happened to be on at the same time, praying that the seemingly random player the are compelled to vote for would do something voteworthy mistake. Like I said before, I doubt compulsion will appear this early in the game.

[Ampelas]

By the way, I am left very cold by Korlat's snarky defense where he clarifies exactly what low importance in his awesome life the shitty game I'm forcing him to play really has.

I do not vote for him because of lurking, or lack of contribution. I vote for him because he came and said "wow, Rashan and Tellan have votes! Whatever, it's day one, it's random!" and votes.

The cases on Rashan and Tellan were not obscure and complicated, he could have come up with a better reason for the vote. Hell, even "I think the case on Tellan is better". Saying "it's all random", I see as meaning "fuck yeah, an inno lynch and an excuse to vote!"

edit: or better "no pressure after the CF!"

This post has been edited by Ampelas: 24 June 2009 - 04:20 PM

[Rashan]

Thyrllan, on Jun 24 2009, 11:14 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on Jun 24 2009, 05:06 PM, said:

@thyr - you say that like its a crime someone voted for mockra? i mean seriously there was a rush of votes on one player yet discussion led to three other votes and we are the bad folk trying to create another fener situation. talk about scaremongering, you should be in politics.

maybe i am in politics?

trhe thing is that what mockra has - contradicting hmself - rashan has done far more and worsly so i dont see why to vote mockra if rashan is doing it even worse (and flailing more frantically to try and get out of it too)

Please reference these contradictions that you are accusing me of? If you can't reference them then don't accuse me of them.

[Ampelas]

remove vote, by the way.

Whatever.

[Ampelas]

Rashan, do you ignore me on purpose?

Call me dumb, but I think we're entitled to a clarification. And if you made one, I missed it, so call me colonel dumbass and repeat it.

I won't spend the game asking people if they are infected, but in this case you started it.

[Rashan]

Ampelas, on Jun 24 2009, 12:04 PM, said:

Well, first of all since Rashan is around I'll ask him to clarify if he still claims to be infected, or if he was joking before

It was a bad joke. It was made to say that I wasn't in control of my actions in real life. That I was really possesed by some other outside entity with no thought that there was a power in the game that could compel me to vote a certain way. I apologize for spinning unnecessary webs into the discussion.

[Ampelas]

Rashan, on Jun 24 2009, 06:27 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Jun 24 2009, 12:04 PM, said:

Well, first of all since Rashan is around I'll ask him to clarify if he still claims to be infected, or if he was joking before

It was a bad joke. It was made to say that I wasn't in control of my actions in real life. That I was really possesed by some other outside entity with no thought that there was a power in the game that could compel me to vote a certain way. I apologize for spinning unnecessary webs into the discussion.

'sall good, thanks.