[Gamelon]

Thyrllan, on Jun 26 2009, 10:34 AM, said:

more to this then I would like to point out its not uncommon for games with a cult or similar mechanic have recruiting effect pairs as a whole and if one member is recruited the other is too automaticaly. I dont think ive ever seen it with killers but its still possible

long shot is long

...i weighed up the options and thought its best i reveal....i do still have a back up ya know XD

[Hood's Path]

Thyrllan, on Jun 26 2009, 06:07 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Jun 26 2009, 03:56 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Jun 26 2009, 09:45 AM, said:

Hrm a Reveal super early.

Your hope that the scum have not been recruited wouldn't have been enough for me to reveal if I was duncan, but I can't see a plus to the scum or DG or infected fake revealing, so at this point I think we have to take it at face value.

What worries me is that you don't seem to understand the previous cases presented, and then make one of your own.

that would mean that both killers would have to be infected.
Because the killer that aint infected would not want to kill me...at least i hope

wat? when did 2 killers get into this?

I think that unless we can be sure that the second kill was a vig, there could be two killers. But if that was the case, why only one death night one?

The possibilities are if two killers, one might have hit the DG, in that case why not cry out as finder and back their case up and get rid of the DG.

No the most likely outcome is a inno vig, who has multiple kills and thus doesn't want to come forward as there is a killer around some where.

I think that a couple of people have been ignored as they appear to be heavily for good.

Galain, you have heard the ideas of Gamelon
Liosan, you heard my views on him

Ok I may be grabbing at straws I think we should at least look at other options cause the last couple of times we went with easy lynches that appeared we have lost innos.

[Emurlahn]

Hood's Path, on Jun 26 2009, 03:42 PM, said:

Ok I may be grabbing at straws I think we should at least look at other options cause the last couple of times we went with easy lynches that appeared we have lost innos.

being one of the "easy" lynches wouldnt be a motivation in that pursuit i am sure.

[Hood's Path]

Emurlahn, on Jun 26 2009, 06:43 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 26 2009, 03:42 PM, said:

Ok I may be grabbing at straws I think we should at least look at other options cause the last couple of times we went with easy lynches that appeared we have lost innos.

being one of the "easy" lynches wouldnt be a motivation in that pursuit i am sure.

Ok you have a point, but all I ask is that you consider it.

[Emurlahn]

i am not voting you, i still like my case on mockra and want to see what galain has to say. Askign questions isnt in itself that bad a thing, and you have upped your game so to speak, but the question is did you up your game simply to avoid lynching or to help us win the game?

[Ampelas]

I'm here, catching up. Heavy stuff with the Duncan reveal, but I agree it was not a bad move from him.

[Ampelas]

One thing I want to add about Galain's giganto-case to find an infected.

When I suggested it could also apply if the person was the DG, he was "Waaa?" as if he never thought of it. I found it strange as hell, since I'm spending more time thinking if so-and-so's attitude could be a killer or the DG than thinking about who could be infected.

[Emurlahn]

heading home. back on later.

[Thyrllan]

Ampelas, on Jun 26 2009, 04:56 PM, said:

One thing I want to add about Galain's giganto-case to find an infected.

When I suggested it could also apply if the person was the DG, he was "Waaa?" as if he never thought of it. I found it strange as hell, since I'm spending more time thinking if so-and-so's attitude could be a killer or the DG than thinking about who could be infected.

quote if you can, id like to see this one and be able to go and read the context round it

[Ampelas]

Sure, it's around there:

Ampelas, on Jun 24 2009, 06:57 PM, said:

Galain, I think you case works as well if you propose that Silanah is the DG, not the first infected

edit: the parts where you say he's inquiring about his own survival/situation could be the DG enquiring about his infected

[Thyrllan]

okay, its not as jaw-dropping "huh?"-ish as I was expecting but i can still see it

[Gamelon]

well....i have to go guys

i will try and find my old phone and see if i can get the internets working on it.
Ive sent in a list of names for my night actions...so if im around monday ill fill you all in.

If my phone is found and working then ill see yous tomorrow.

I think my galain case is pretty solid, dont let him easily talk his ass out of this shit. Im pretty convinced myself

ciao guys...plAy NICE

[Galain]

Gamelon, on Jun 26 2009, 04:35 AM, said:

alright i am here for a few hours then wont be here for the weekend.

I think i need to reveal.

I am duncan, i think (hope) i can safely reveal this because i believe i am an asset (as long as DG1 and DG2 are around) to the killers aswell.
I am not a threat in any way to the killers. I can only heal infected and will get a find on DG if i disinfect him.

I am also revealing because im afraid i might get NK'd over the weekend and all the information that i gather would be lost.

On night one i disinfected Hoods Path.
On night 2 i disinfected Eloth.

So these two are not the DG for sure.

I just hope that the DG himself cant kill me or that one of his infected dont do it...the infected shouldnt because when both DG's are dead then they become cured.
Now...

I have a big problem believing Galain is innocent.
He has been pushing all the "cheap" cases, and has focussed pretty much solely on the infected and the DG.
He has Made cases that people are infected?.....infected cases? WTF?


So both of these guys are not the DG...

I do have a sister that will inherit my role...so i feel this is the best thing to do.

Still catching up and I first want to say that your reveal is pretty good for the town, so kudos. I believe it simply because it's pretty clear the DG (and the scum, for that matter) has nowhere near the numbers to be close to winning.

I do have a question for you. Why on earth did you disinfect Eloth on night 2 instead of D'riss, who revealed infected? (I realize this may be answered later in the thread, so ignore if it you did). Were you testing to see if a healer was around to save him before you potentially wasted a disinfect?

Second, I have talked about the scum AND the DG, but I have definitely pushed the DG more. Pretty much everyone has. People that say, "Don't forget the killers," are still looking for the DG, so I find that piece of your argument a bit lacking.

Also, you say I'm pushing "cheap" cases? Are you daft? I pushed a case on Rashan for TWO days (I was never on the Tellan train) for voting night AND for his incredibly errant play. Are you saying Rashan was a model townie? Are you saying HP and Mockra, the two cases I figured would be decent today, have played in a manner consistent with innocent town?

I made a case on SILANAH (not Serc, he died night 1) on Day 2 being infected because I thought I saw something. It is pretty clear the first infected (whom I believe the consensus says was Karat) had no intention of revealing. The infected play for themselves, so if they aren't willing to help the town out by trying to draw a heal, why should I NOT make a case to find them? If they aren't playing for the town, they are playing for the DG, you understand this, right?

Finally, just because someone isn't infected or the DG does NOT mean they are not scum, w/r to your disinfects.

Ok lots more to read.

[Galain]

Gamelon, on Jun 26 2009, 04:47 AM, said:

As for the cases presented,

I find the mockra case to be based purely on him making dumb choices.
I dont know if a killer would be so blatantly obvious.

He could however be a symp.

The hoods path case is based on him asking too many questions?
Hmmm....i dont like that cae at all. I ask people allot of questions too, sometimes to gauge there response. He's also does seem pretty new.

Kaschan....well i need to look over this again....im not sure.


My numero UNO suspect however is ....Galain.
Galain has pretty much continually searched for the DG and infected. He even made a case on serc that he was infected?.
I mean what the fuck for?....why take the time to make a case that someone is infected?...as an inno you are looking for the DG and the killers. Not the infected
I think he is focussing on the infected and the DG because he is the killer and is doing so becuase well frankly he finds teh DG to be his biggest threat. And it looks like he is a massive contributor aswell.

The only "scum cases" he has pushed are all the easy lynches and he pushed these VERY hard.
Rashan made a noob mistake and paid for it....Galain pushed harder than most for the rashan lynch and the same goes for the Mockra case.
Mockra seems to me like he is just tripping over his feet.
And now galain is liking the HP case as well....he looks like he is painting all the red crosses on the doors if you ask me.

If i have time i thin i will go over his posts to see exactly why i feel he is scum....

I realize we can't talk about META but--in no specific example--I will not excuse someone for making stupid choices.

I responded to the Serc thing in the previous post.

I NEVER pushed the Mockra case, so don't even lie there. In fact, Liosan has harangued me over potentially symping Mockra to keep him alive by instead pushing the Rashan case. Yes, I push cases for people that need to be lynched. AGAIN, I am not going to talk about meta, but there are good reasons to not keep distractions around and those distractions could easily be noob scum and not noob town.

Still catching up.

[Galain]

Gamelon, on Jun 26 2009, 05:30 AM, said:

Ontop of this....90% of Galains posts are concerning the DG in some way.
Or he just throws it all together and says "scum"...but really means DG if you ask me.

Do you want me to spend extra time typing out scum and DG each time? I'm not the only person lumping them together, FYI.

In response to your 'examination' of my read-over of Silanah and Karat, make sure you re-read what I just posted about the first infected player. Again, they did NOT reveal so they chose to NOT play for the town while the DG was up. If the infected are not playing for the town, they are, by defintion, SCUMMY. The DG wins when half of these "free radicals" make up the total population. I examined Karat because I wanted to know if he was infected, the DG, or scum. I'm pretty sure I made that abundantly clear.

[Galain]

Barghast, on Jun 26 2009, 08:15 AM, said:

Helluva reveal. And yes, I too think it was pretty well thought out.

The case is pretty well thought out as well. I still want to hear what Kaschan has to say about disappearing, but another thing that struck about Galain that I don't think was mentioned was how he seemed nervous about a Mockra lynch getting him lynched next. This is a team game, meaning if he were inno, and thought Mockra would CF scum, he should be voting for him, not worrying about whether Mockra being scum would make him next.

Galain, on Jun 26 2009, 11:34 AM, said:

Liosan, on Jun 25 2009, 04:24 PM, said:

Galain, on Jun 25 2009, 02:20 PM, said:

Alright, I think the Mockra case has a lot of merit but I'm going to double down on GL's vote for HP because the questioning is a CLEAR example of avoiding all confrontation and original thought.

Mockra's earlier vote vacillation is mighty suspicious too, and I will gladly switch to him if that case finds more merit (or if another case comes up), but this is the best case I've seen so far today. Also, I am aware that Lio has earlier called me out for trying to derail Mockra as his symp. It's false, and I have no reservation about voting Mockra today.

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This post jumped out to me. You can talk all you want about how you have no reservations about lynching Mockra, but from where I'm sitting, it looks like you're trying to railroad another noob to save Mockra's ass again. I guess only time will tell, but I remain suspicious.

I'll vote Mockra any day of the week as possible scum. Naturally, the problem is that if he DOES CF scum, you will want to lynch me next and that's an awkward position for me to be in. You are completely misinterpreting any desire I had for Rashan to go with some kind of Mockra based defense. Why would I defend a guy who was a likely lynch the next day?

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I still think it's Liosan trying to line up a lynch on me. I'm town, and if Mockra IS scum, then Lio has just dropped a fat case on me. I still don't understand why people think I'm trying to save Mockra.

[Galain]

Okay I'm here to "stand trial" or whatever you want to call it.

[Galain]

Also,

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[Hood's Path]

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Galain, on Jun 25 2009, 12:40 PM, said:

You have a lot of theories... and they are not bad theories, but I have three big issues with your response.

One, you have basically given your "last speech" as a defense. The speech innos give before they are lynched, in which they try to use their power of their CF to implicate scum. It's an interesting exercise, it's as right less often than it is wrong, and it's not really a defense of any kind more than a redirection of suspicion. This puts you squarely in the 'scum or DG' column for me.

Two, if you really think Mockra and Kaschan are paired, why, on earth, are you bringing it up on thread without a CF on one of them? Let's say you're right and they are paired. If they aren't scum, congrats, you just gave the scum two free kills. This puts you squarely in the 'symp' column for me.

Three, You only really addressed the entire case on you as being tag-along and inquisitive as saying it's a way to get information... but that statement is flawed because the information you are getting should be viewed as EVIDENCE and not PROOF. People respond to questions all the time in this game. You use those responses later to potentially incriminate them or clear them. If all you ever do is ASK the questions, you end up without any real evidence on you and that, my friend, is scummy. Finally, your response is, itself, a non response to the question.

You need to actually have some good reasons for the questionnaire style of play before I can remove my vote.

Now this may be a silly assumption but if there was paired innos, surely it would be Duncan and Janice. Gamelon has revealed as Duncan that blows the idea that mockra and Kaschan out of the water, I willing to believe that Gamelon is Duncan. Now lovers did come to mind but no mention of anything of the sort.

Which leaves a good possibility that if they are paired, they are scum.

Now let's assume 2 paired killers + 2 symps, the two killers have to work together, so their decision leads to one kill every night. Now the symps I think only know one of the killers each. The idea that the symps know both killers seema tad unbalanced in favour of scum.

If one of the killers was to slip up in the eyes of the other players, then the symp that knows him will try to back him up, this seems to be the case with mockra and kaschan, now the other killer can support them, or be prepared to cut his losses.

I think there is a good chance that the scum are going to direct their arguments that DG and infected are a very real threat to town, now that is a good point but infected are possibly how scum will lose this game especially if they side with DG.

Now Galain thinks that mockra case has merit but in this post he put's his attention on to me

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Alright, I think the Mockra case has a lot of merit but I'm going to double down on GL's vote for HP because the questioning is a CLEAR example of avoiding all confrontation and original thought.

Mockra's earlier vote vacillation is mighty suspicious too, and I will gladly switch to him if that case finds more merit (or if another case comes up), but this is the best case I've seen so far today. Also, I am aware that Lio has earlier called me out for trying to derail Mockra as his symp. It's false, and I have no reservation about voting Mockra today.

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Yet in the first quote I put up he has changed his mind that I'm the bigger threat as I'm in his " 'scum or DG' column ".

So what column is mockra in Galain, is it the one listed as fellow killer.

The current lynch on me supported by Galain is an attempt by him to derail mockra's lynch. I think that Galain is hoping to keep members of his side alive as long as possible as they can't affordto be weakened.this early in the game.

Team scum I think are:
Galain and mockra as killers
kaschan as symp
? other symp

Right considering that my vote on Liosan is at the moment without any solid evidence and that there more evidence to suggest the loch ness monster exists. Not feeling as paranoid about him as I did last night.

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