[Eloth]

Gamelon, on Jun 26 2009, 01:50 PM, said:

Eloth, on Jun 26 2009, 07:45 AM, said:

Wow, that's a big reveal. I understand your motivations but it's a pity that you felt you needed to.

well

is it really?...you all are gonna get the info, it wont die with me i i do die and the only person it hurts cant kill me.
I cant communicate with my sister, so if i die she will more than likely pick people i have already picked...so i think my revealing is much better than not revealing.
call it a calculated gamble..

Like I said, I understand your reasoning. I'm just one of those people that believes in holding off on reveals till as late as possible and giving the scum as little information as possible. So I always dislike a reveal that doesnt either save an important role or provide game-winning information. Still, it's done now.

Gamelon, on Jun 26 2009, 01:52 PM, said:

Eloth, on Jun 26 2009, 07:50 AM, said:

And why didnt you try disinfect D'riss?

because i wanted to know if there was a healer first.
If i had tried it would have been a waste...as you an see he died so it was the right move

Fair enough.

[Mockra]

Eloth, on Jun 26 2009, 11:50 PM, said:

And why didnt you try disinfect D'riss?

It was obvious that the DG would kill him before he was disinfected, no point wasting the disinfect...

[Gamelon]

Eloth, on Jun 26 2009, 07:56 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Jun 26 2009, 01:50 PM, said:

Eloth, on Jun 26 2009, 07:45 AM, said:

Wow, that's a big reveal. I understand your motivations but it's a pity that you felt you needed to.

well

is it really?...you all are gonna get the info, it wont die with me i i do die and the only person it hurts cant kill me.
I cant communicate with my sister, so if i die she will more than likely pick people i have already picked...so i think my revealing is much better than not revealing.
call it a calculated gamble..

Like I said, I understand your reasoning. I'm just one of those people that believes in holding off on reveals till as late as possible and giving the scum as little information as possible. So I always dislike a reveal that doesnt either save an important role or provide game-winning information. Still, it's done now.

Yea well i feel the same way, but there is the odd occasion where revealing early is the right thing to do...and i feel that this is one of them.

[Gamelon]

This is what gets me about galain

Galain, on Jun 24 2009, 12:46 PM, said:

Okay, I'd like to present the following 'case' (although it's not to lynch, because I still am going with Rashan for that). Broken into two posts because of forum limitations (and I removed some smileys, too).

I believe Silanah was the first person infected and here's why (relevant information is underlined in quotes):


His first post is fairly harmless with a minor comment about the cult. Nothing overt, just subtle.

Silanah, on Jun 22 2009, 03:22 AM, said:

Hmmm.... I am thinking that the infected are going to be rather interesting this game, but is it just me or does the DP and infected sound like a rather spastic cult?

Also, love the new alt (Eloth not me), its so pretty!

As for distribution, well we were promised lots of death. So I am thinking the scum have more symps than killers and that we probably have a fair few number of vigs floating around.

And everyone knows how the vigs love to shoot their load on the first night around these parts

Edit: would you believe it, a crosspost!!!!

In his next post, he berates Meanas for a blatantly naive comment about the setup (if you read around this post I actually vote Meanas at the time for being so obviously dense):

Silanah, on Jun 22 2009, 09:27 AM, said:

Meanas, on Jun 22 2009, 06:22 PM, said:

Serc, on Jun 22 2009, 12:19 PM, said:

Meanas, on Jun 22 2009, 09:12 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jun 22 2009, 10:09 AM, said:

or like maaan we could like. get the killer guys and then jus keep votin night until we all get infectioud and we all win with the doopelgangbanger man.

mmmmmm, this mushroom peoples are greaaaat on the fire bro

Hey I like your outside of the box thinking. But I think it would be unwise on account of us all getting modkilled for ruining the game.

Makes me think Thyrllan is the first infected. It's probably not against the rules since, the DG in all likely-hood would just synapse everyone the night before his win. I'm most suspicious of the people that are pointing away from the cult like Eloth and the people that are putting into our heads the thoughts that infected are going to die alot. The strongest power is clearly complusion, DG controlling a voting block is going to get dangerous quick as the numbers dwindle.

Oh, you think someone is infected already? It's possible I suppose.

Err.... it says someone randoms starts off infected....
Which means you have probably not read the opening posts properly

Here, he's the first person to correct Hood's Path on whether the first person was already infected or the DG had to infect someone specific the fight night (note how he expands on the response by saying that the DG can't infect as a day action):

Silanah, on Jun 22 2009, 09:40 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 22 2009, 06:36 PM, said:

"Before the begining of day 1, the mods draw a random alt to be infected. The DG will be told which alt is his first victim."

That what it says in the post by the mod, the DG will be told which alt is his first victim suggest the way I read it that the DG has to infect the person randomly picked.

How do you guys read that?

I read it as that person starts off infected and that the DG knows who it is. Otherwise it makes no sense, unless you are trying to imply that the DG can infect as a day action.

Sil offers a response to Omtose who says Scum may be more likely to claim infection than town (which I do not necessarily agree with, because the scum can kill and potentially become the DG's symp). Also, the response is kind of non sequitur because the question is about scum speaking up if infected and Sil responds about scum speaking up if NOT infected.)

Silanah, on Jun 22 2009, 10:08 AM, said:

Omtose, on Jun 22 2009, 07:02 PM, said:

Am I reading people right? There seems to be an assumption that only the townn will be infected. Scum can be infected as well, so we have to be very careful not to PI someone just because they claim infection, even if we believe the claim to be genuine. In fact scum would be more inclined to claim infection wouldn't they? Because that way they can distract Duncan and any possible healer...or am I getting it arsewards again?


Edit: Cross post

Yeah except, the DG knows who is infected, so people claiming infected, will be giving themselves away to him.

Here, Sil says exactly what I said before about killers not likely revealing infection.

Silanah, on Jun 22 2009, 10:22 AM, said:

Omtose, on Jun 22 2009, 07:11 PM, said:

No, I didn't mean false claims, I meant scum could be genuinely infected and be glad to announce it, they get a double bonus. Heal/disinfection and stop Duncan 'protecting' a genuine inno.


Edit: This was @ Sil.

Yeah, except by the same token the DG could then go and overload his synapses:

'Path-Shaper' said:

The order of night actions:
Guard -> Heal -> Synapse overload (not affected by guard) ->Infect -> Find -> Desinfect -> Kill

So I would think that should a scum become infected they will either try and take out Duncan and become the DG's Symp or try to take out the DGs to cure themselves.

[Gamelon]

Galain, on Jun 24 2009, 12:46 PM, said:

Here's one of the biggest RED ARROW posts to me (enlarged for emphasis). It looks to me like Sil is gauging whether or not he thinks he can reveal infection and get a heal as a way to stop getting blown up.

Silanah, on Jun 22 2009, 10:41 AM, said:

Omtose, on Jun 22 2009, 07:32 PM, said:

@Lio ~ of course I realise they are separate teams, but I admit I was getting confused about Duncan's role - duh. My main point was more about a healer and that we not PI anyone just because they are/claim infection. There seemed to be an assumption that only the town would be affected. I am not arguing that infected shouldn't speak up, just that we need to be careful...also if an infected does die after claiming being infected, doesn't that mean we probably haven't got a healer and that wouldn't be good to let scum know - would it?


Edit: cross posts

Are you assuming that the healer protects against synapse overload?

He then goes on to post a fair amount about the day's cases.

Later, we have his initial 'disgust' reaction to Mockra (Mockra had some earlier confusion about the DG being able to use all or one of his abilities at night, when the scene clearly states he can use them all):

Silanah, on Jun 23 2009, 05:36 AM, said:

Mockra, on Jun 23 2009, 02:30 PM, said:

Checking in, won't be back before the deadline I do not believe... ill leave my vote where it is.

Well thats convenient, but if you are still around, have you gotten to grips with the mechanics yet?

Because from what I see you keep not understanding the information we have been given.

Sil is NOT the first person to vote for someone other than Rashan. Ampelas vote Korlat for weak participation and then Emurlahn votes Karatallid for a weak 'I agree' style case against Karatallid's train vote (Emur later switches to Mockra, too). Instead, Sil is the first person to say Rashan is a 'nuisance' but not drop a vote elsewhere, quickly.

Amp and Emur both claim possible easy scum/infected trains on Rashan, which is certainly legitimate, and both follow it up quickly with a vote elsewhere (amp votes in 6 minutes, Emur in 7 minutes), whereas Sil takes a while to get to a vote (1.5 hours) and he ends up voting for the guy he chided on Day 1 (Mockra).

Silanah, on Jun 24 2009, 12:27 AM, said:

Sorry for my absence.

I see we have had a pile on of votes on Rash as well as very self-pitying defence by Rash and that never goes down well around here, on the other hand I don't see him as a threat, only a nuisance. So if it comes down to needing a lynch, I would vote there, even though it makes it feel like we are going to then end up with a 2nd day 1

As for the theory it might be infected piling up, I would like to point out that atm we have only 2 infected and the DG WCS and that the compulsion only says they have to be voting that person at the end of the day. Its a bit early in the day to jump there, unless as Galain has said, people are playing with their noob caps on.

@Rashan, voting night on day 1, is a waste of time literally, because it makes the scum's lives easier.

More joking about scenarios with killers/infected... maybe some self-deprecating humor in here.

Silanah, on Jun 24 2009, 12:43 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on Jun 24 2009, 09:38 AM, said:

Silanah, on Jun 24 2009, 08:27 AM, said:

Sorry for my absence.

I see we have had a pile on of votes on Rash as well as very self-pitying defence by Rash and that never goes down well around here, on the other hand I don't see him as a threat, only a nuisance. So if it comes down to needing a lynch, I would vote there, even though it makes it feel like we are going to then end up with a 2nd day 1

As for the theory it might be infected piling up, I would like to point out that atm we have only 2 infected and the DG WCS and that the compulsion only says they have to be voting that person at the end of the day. Its a bit early in the day to jump there, unless as Galain has said, people are playing with their noob caps on.

@Rashan, voting night on day 1, is a waste of time literally, because it makes the scum's lives easier.

true.

i would also like to point out to any speed lynchers that it might not be in our best interest to try and purposefully catch the infected out. The chances that the DG hit a killer with infection are just as low as the chances that we lynch one so do not be so quick to hope we end day without them voting as we would be greatly benefitting the killers by shrinking the player pool. Also the infected will return to normal if we can get dg and dg2 so if we can discover who they are we can either heal them or keep them in check.

It would be very funny if a symp where to become infected I wonder how long morgy's game mechanics would stand up to that scenario.

Or what happens if one of the killers gets infected and then by chance the killers hit duncan?

Finally drops the vote on Mockra for a post Mockra had much earlier (earlier even than when Sil made the post I quoted two spots up):

Silanah, on Jun 24 2009, 01:06 AM, said:

Mockra, on Jun 24 2009, 04:30 AM, said:

Wow 5 votes on Rashan already... Im all for the Rashan lynch but im not placing a vote right now as it would be at l-4 in just a few hours...
@Kaschan, Yeah Korlat hasn't said much but you should always give the benefit of the doubt on the first day..

So in other words a cop out, you want to go for the easiest target?
And tbh I have looked over your posts and besides misunderstanding the mechanics, you have agreed with someone else's case and you have given no reasons why you would vote for Rashan.

:avote: Mockra

His final post so far is a response to Gamelon's idea of co-ordinating vote removals before a lynch... I get the impression he is wondering about his own survival here.

Silanah, on Jun 24 2009, 01:18 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Jun 24 2009, 10:15 AM, said:

I think hte DG would NOT bother putting in a compulsion today. There is too much risk of exposing his recruits.
But if he DID it would probably have been on rashan as he would have been the obvious lynch for today.

So if we do not lynch rashan...i suggest EVERYONE removes there vote form him.

In fact i have a better idea.
If someone is about to get lynched everyone has to remove there votes from all other players before the hammer gets dropped.
This might stop the DG from using his compulsion as his recruits cant then remove votes or they will die.


edit - added "NOT"

You are of course assuming that we will all have to be on at the exact time, just before the hammer is dropped. You are aware of this right?

Edit: Being nice: Other than that one tiny flaw, your idea is a good one.

Galain, on Jun 24 2009, 12:51 PM, said:

So basically, I think Sil was infected first, was fishing for information about possibly revealing and then decided not to (note he's absent from most of the discussion on whether it would actually benefit the infected the most about revealing). He could be a killer since it was done 'randomly' and he wants to possibly kill Duncan or the DG, but I'm less convinced of that because he came out and said that on thread.

I also think the DG saw his earlier disgust with Mockra and compelled him and the new recruit to vote Mockra today because it would seem less suspicious in light of Mockra's weird behavior.

If I'm right, I think it was a bad idea for the DG to push Mockra over Rashan, or anybody, really, unless the DG is someone already under a lot of heat (like Rashan) and wants to make sure his recruits don't lynch him today under penalty of death.

Thoughts or ideas?

I mean just look at this!
Huge fucking case...for what?....an infected.
WTF!!!
This really got my goat up, this is someone who REALLY wants the DG dead and also REALLY wants to seem involved.

Why hasnt he put this much effort into looking for the killers?
No....he rather pushes the easy simple lynches on players that make silly "scum" mistakes like mockra, HP and rahsan.

And look at his HUGE five part post quoting Karat?....i mean WHAT THE FUCK??
That was a huge effort, yet puts next to no effort in findin the killers.

Now... there are other people that have not really looked at the killers aswell thus far, much like galain.
But galain has put in a freaken herculean effort to unroute the DG and has done next to fuck all with regards to finding the killers.
except push the easy lynch cases that is...


vote galain




edit - typos

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 26 June 2009 - 12:27 PM

[Gamelon]

Ontop of this....90% of Galains posts are concerning the DG in some way.
Or he just throws it all together and says "scum"...but really means DG if you ask me.

[Thyrllan]

hi guys. wont be on much tonight, it is friday night after all...

cool reveal by gam. its risky im sure but could be the right way to go. as has been said, the DG cant really hurt you (that we know) except by trying to lynch you and he doesnt have enough infs for that.

I like the case on galain, ive felt since the beginning that hes been trying to play very smoothly but hes also been coming off brash and arrogant, whic some people do eitehr one of those naturally but I get the vibe hes trying for the smooth and the prick part is his natural vibe coming through. needless tos ay, trying to be as smooth as possible is exactly what id expect from DG.

if nothing else, his reaction to all this will be veeeery interesting

remove vote
vote Galain

[Emurlahn]

That a pretty good case, but i am happy where my vote is for the moment and will await galains reponse before any decisions are made.

[Gamelon]

I am not completely against voting off mockra though...after all he HAS been fucking up royally.
But i wanted to get my main suspect out there before the weekend as i wont be around.

I feel that if mockra comes back inno it might even make my case stronger that galain is just pushing the easy lynches.

[Galayn Lord]

Hrm a Reveal super early.

Your hope that the scum have not been recruited wouldn't have been enough for me to reveal if I was duncan, but I can't see a plus to the scum or DG or infected fake revealing, so at this point I think we have to take it at face value.

What worries me is that you don't seem to understand the previous cases presented, and then make one of your own.

[Galayn Lord]

Why does Thyrllan keep hopping onto whatever the most recent case is? I need to go look.

[Gamelon]

Galayn Lord, on Jun 26 2009, 09:45 AM, said:

Hrm a Reveal super early.

Your hope that the scum have not been recruited wouldn't have been enough for me to reveal if I was duncan, but I can't see a plus to the scum or DG or infected fake revealing, so at this point I think we have to take it at face value.

What worries me is that you don't seem to understand the previous cases presented, and then make one of your own.

that would mean that both killers would have to be infected.
Because the killer that aint infected would not want to kill me...at least i hope

Galayn Lord, on Jun 26 2009, 09:45 AM, said:

What worries me is that you don't seem to understand the previous cases presented, and then make one of your own.

what?

[Gamelon]

GL...please tell me what the fuck you are talking about?

what does me not understanding previous cases have to do with me making a case of my own?

[Thyrllan]

Gamelon, on Jun 26 2009, 03:56 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Jun 26 2009, 09:45 AM, said:

Hrm a Reveal super early.

Your hope that the scum have not been recruited wouldn't have been enough for me to reveal if I was duncan, but I can't see a plus to the scum or DG or infected fake revealing, so at this point I think we have to take it at face value.

What worries me is that you don't seem to understand the previous cases presented, and then make one of your own.

that would mean that both killers would have to be infected.
Because the killer that aint infected would not want to kill me...at least i hope

wat? when did 2 killers get into this?

[Gamelon]

So you think that there is NO validity in the fact that Galain puts in a huge amount of effort when it concerns the DG.
And just plays along with the flavour of the day lynch when it concerns anything else?

Its inconceivable that perhaps galain is scum trying to look helpfull by hunting the enemy?
It all makes too much sense to me actaully...

[Thyrllan]

Gamelon, on Jun 26 2009, 04:09 PM, said:

So you think that there is NO validity in the fact that Galain puts in a huge amount of effort when it concerns the DG.
And just plays along with the flavour of the day lynch when it concerns anything else?

Its inconceivable that perhaps galain is scum trying to look helpfull by hunting the enemy?
It all makes too much sense to me actaully...

now now, dont gett too conspiracy-theorist on us!

[Gamelon]

Thyrllan, on Jun 26 2009, 10:07 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Jun 26 2009, 03:56 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Jun 26 2009, 09:45 AM, said:

Hrm a Reveal super early.

Your hope that the scum have not been recruited wouldn't have been enough for me to reveal if I was duncan, but I can't see a plus to the scum or DG or infected fake revealing, so at this point I think we have to take it at face value.

What worries me is that you don't seem to understand the previous cases presented, and then make one of your own.

that would mean that both killers would have to be infected.
Because the killer that aint infected would not want to kill me...at least i hope

wat? when did 2 killers get into this?

you think there is only one?

[Gamelon]

Thyrllan, on Jun 26 2009, 10:11 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Jun 26 2009, 04:09 PM, said:

So you think that there is NO validity in the fact that Galain puts in a huge amount of effort when it concerns the DG.
And just plays along with the flavour of the day lynch when it concerns anything else?

Its inconceivable that perhaps galain is scum trying to look helpfull by hunting the enemy?
It all makes too much sense to me actaully...

now now, dont gett too conspiracy-theorist on us!

is everyone on drugs?

thats the very basis of the case i put forward...the one you said you liked

[Thyrllan]

I think there is only one, but regardless ti seemed weird the way you just went striaght into 2 killers when such info was not even under consideration at this point. weird

the conspiracy theorist bit i mean dont get all paranoid debating the person's hidden agenda and whatnot too much, main focus has to be on what we know theyve done!

[Gamelon]

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