[D'riss]

However, I am going to offer one alternative to HP's hard-on for me. I'm compiling it in another tab right now.

[Korvalain]

D'riss, on May 31 2009, 03:13 AM, said:

/shrug the case HP has made on me is about as flimsy as the one I agreed with on Telas and I had claimed on Emurlahn. I vote to get information with the time I have, I don't have ages to analyze every post ever made for secret clues. So yes, I vote with the majority as much as I can. I can't afford to spend all of my time researching new cases when there are often several presented in front of me.

This is not a good post for you, D'riss. I might not know much, but I know that this reads badly. Voting with the majority as much as possible isn't a good thing... only when you think it is somewhat worthwhile. You can't spend all of your time researching new cases... That's kind of what Inno does, D'riss. Make cases to drive the game.

I see you are compiling a case, and I am ready and willing to read it, D'riss.

[D'riss]

Fener has skirted the majority of the game.

From the very start, he really just tagged along with the votes, similarly to myself.

Fener, on May 26 2009, 06:10 PM, said:

Harumph. My time zone really sucks. Just got back. No need to catch up on the whole thread, obviously. Will look at the 'cases' on the people who have votes.

Very early on didn't seem too keen on lynching low posters, but note that the majority of the deaths have all been relatively low-posters. Lot of WIFOM in this statement.

Fener, on May 26 2009, 08:47 PM, said:

Lynch a low-poster eh? What about the people who haven't posted?

@Korlat - all very well, we can get a speed lynch, if people are on! But the time left gives us plenty of opportunities.

Like me, he blows up over the night 1 vig, but note how he adds an extra bit at the end about watching interactions... this is important because Fener rarely interacts with anyone... which is exactly what Meanas did.

Fener, on May 27 2009, 03:08 PM, said:

I don't like the idea of another 'random night one vig' - that seems...strange. Why would someone do that on NIGHT ONE again? It's stupid. And a waste. Either a meta kill - SHAME ON THE PERSON WHO DOES THIS - or they really thought they'd found something, in which case I'd like them to explain just wtf they think they were doing?
For a start, killing someone on night one is a bad idea, even if you are certain they are scum - at least wait until night two, so you can watch their interactions the next day.

Here he all-but-asks the vig to reveal:

Fener, on May 27 2009, 03:57 PM, said:

Emur does bring up a good point about the 'use it or lose it' vig - but I'd rather lose it, in that situation, than waste it. It just puts pressure on, really, and forces you to make random or wild guesses.

More to the point, if the person who had it was a use it or lose it vig, then there is no need for them to stay quiet about it, yes? (And yeah, I have just made two posts asking for the vig to reveal themself - they probably shouldn't if they have an additional vig...even if they were a tad silly about the first one).

Claims he's available for the Sil lynch... (I don't quote it but he also just adds to the existing chorus on Day 2 by searching existing cases... again like me).

Fener, on May 28 2009, 10:07 PM, said:

I'm here now to - will be up until the deadline, easily.

So no chance of a no-lynch. My non-existance so far is annoying, but should end now with a long weekend. Hoorah for great re-reads.

... then suddenly missed the hammer...

Fener, on May 28 2009, 11:26 PM, said:

Gah, how the fuck did I miss the deadline?

I mean, crappy result, but still, it must've crept past me.

WCS dictates he wasn't a symp.

He finally offers a case on yours truly... (left out the actual case)

Fener, on May 28 2009, 11:47 PM, said:

I'm going back to read D'riss now - can't remember.

... but in the end doesn't seem convinced enough to throw on the first vote. Scared maybe of leading another inno train?

He makes another huge WIFOM comment about framing Mockra

Fener, on May 29 2009, 03:13 AM, said:

Yeah, but really now - who the fuck would be that stupid?

At best, it's someone trying, miserably, to frame Mockra up.

... and then immediately adds to it (he responds to Ruse asking who would frame Mockra), then disappears before he can research a case.

Fener, on May 29 2009, 03:27 AM, said:

Erm...the killers, mayhap? XD

Who's been looking at him, and who's been avoiding him? I don't have time to check, as I'm about to go to bed myself...

Again, just mentions he can't offer a lot of cases... like me...

Fener, on May 29 2009, 03:42 AM, said:

And fyi, I was around before the lynch. If you read back. I got distracted by food. XD

Besides, I can't do re-reads at this time of night. Not without coming up with random crazy theories. And it's not like there's much to discuss, is it?

And again just sees who's on the block for the day to lend his voice.

Fener, on May 29 2009, 11:21 PM, said:

Oh, of course!

Yeah, wasn't it Mockra, D'riss, and Liosan?

Well, yeah, it is a bit of a stretch, but even so, it's more than anything else we've got during this incredibly slow session. Which reminds me, is the weekend freeze time-inclusive? Or is it only modkill timer? If it's time, then there is no point in rushing. Elsewise, I'd like to really focus on those three people a bit, and perhaps pressure them.

He eventually adds to HP's vote on me, noting that HP may be a target if I come up inno... in other words, he's giving himself more outs.

Fener, on May 29 2009, 11:40 PM, said:

The most frustrating thing for me with the weekend so far is that it's my most productive time! And no-one has been around.

I'm happy with supporting you on that D'riss thing, HP - I made the original point about his fixation with Emur...and the other stuff you've pulled up is enough to make it the most appealing thing so far to me. Even if it is flimsy, and probably won't go anywhere. The threat of potential lynch if nothing else shows up will be there:

Vote D'riss

Then he pulls the old "Let me go reread someone oh wait he's dead" trick. Note, this is not the same as my "I am suspicious of this guy" then "Oh shit he's dead" posting style as I read up the thread.

Fener, on May 30 2009, 12:43 AM, said:

I have decided to, and am currently, looking at Korlat, Ruse, and Mockra. I may look at some other people on your list there later. Though HP and Gamelon must surely have almost nothing on them, and I'm clearly biased if I look at myself - perhaps you could do that, Korv?

EDIT: Added the first 'to' above, and also I'm going to be eating dinner shortly, so don't be surprised if it takes me a while before I get back to posting my conclusions.

Fener, on May 30 2009, 12:48 AM, said:

Wait....Korlat died? Fuck. This is what happens to me when I develop memory loss at 18.

Scratch him off my list of looking-ats then. XD

Finally, he does a reread of Mockra but doesn't vote (not quoted).

Summary + vote to follow.

[D'riss]

Overall, he avoids confrontation, chats nonchalantly with everyone, but managed to avoid any discussion with Meanas (which signals to me like avoiding each other). His cases are mostly tag-alongs to potentially save him from having to build his own cases.

[Korvalain]

A topic I've been asking for, thanks for the effor D'riss! Really, I appreciate it.

[Korvalain]

A topic I've been asking for, thanks for the effor D'riss! Really, I appreciate it

Edit: Doublel post monster has awoken.

This post has been edited by Korvalain: 31 May 2009 - 07:35 AM

[D'riss]

Based on that,

Vote Fener

[D'riss]

Shrug, I was looking over the votes from yesterday's non-lynch and Fener's struck me the most in that he made sure to get on board with HP's case early while keeping the door open for a Mockra case or a case on HP in case I came up inno... which I would.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 28 hours and 28 minutes remaining

11 Players still alive: Ampelas, D'riss, Fener, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Korvalain, Liosan, Mockra, Ruse, Shadow, Tellan

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night

1 vote for Fener: ( D'riss )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Fener, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Korvalain, Liosan, Mockra, Ruse, Shadow, Tellan

Alt here. I am tired and a little hungover, but would just like to state:

N BLOU BULL WEET NIE VAN VERLOER AF NIE!

[Korvalain]

I put up with a lot of shit, but if you are going to go bossing my ass around, I'd like to see it in French, please!!!!! Lol. I have no idea what that means.

[D'riss]

Okay, going to sleep. We'll see if I get lynched overnight or if anyone else agrees with my case or has a better one.

[Korvalain]

With the speeds that we are playing at, I think you should have no fear D'riss of getting lynched while sleeping, especially considering that 30 hours remain.

[Fener]

Hurrah! Activity! Even if it is a case against myself. So, to respond:

D'riss, on May 31 2009, 03:32 AM, said:

Fener has skirted the majority of the game.

From the very start, he really just tagged along with the votes, similarly to myself.
Actually, you will notice I basically haven't voted most of the game, so not really 'tagging along', but meh

Fener, on May 26 2009, 06:10 PM, said:

Harumph. My time zone really sucks. Just got back. No need to catch up on the whole thread, obviously. Will look at the 'cases' on the people who have votes.

Very early on didn't seem too keen on lynching low posters, but note that the majority of the deaths have all been relatively low-posters. Lot of WIFOM in this statement.
Don't know about being not keen on lynching low posters. On day one I think it's a bit rank, especially when there are people who haven't posted at all. Time zones and real life are both valid reasons for not being able to post. I'm fine with lynching low-posters, when there are few other options, or it's accompanied by a valid-ish case

Fener, on May 26 2009, 08:47 PM, said:

Lynch a low-poster eh? What about the people who haven't posted?

@Korlat - all very well, we can get a speed lynch, if people are on! But the time left gives us plenty of opportunities.

Like me, he blows up over the night 1 vig, but note how he adds an extra bit at the end about watching interactions... this is important because Fener rarely interacts with anyone... which is exactly what Meanas did.
The bit about watching the interactions of the person you choose to vig on night one because you are so absolutely sure they are scum! And as for not interacting much...did you even look at yesterday? There was no-one to interact with except Korv. And before that I was not on much due to RL

Fener, on May 27 2009, 03:08 PM, said:

I don't like the idea of another 'random night one vig' - that seems...strange. Why would someone do that on NIGHT ONE again? It's stupid. And a waste. Either a meta kill - SHAME ON THE PERSON WHO DOES THIS - or they really thought they'd found something, in which case I'd like them to explain just wtf they think they were doing?
For a start, killing someone on night one is a bad idea, even if you are certain they are scum - at least wait until night two, so you can watch their interactions the next day. sleep.gif

Here he all-but-asks the vig to reveal:
I believe my exact words show what I really said. I said that a vig with no more kills should reveal. They are then CI, and we can get confirmation of whether killers have one kill or two. As I put in my post, if they have other vigs, then no, they should not reveal

Fener, on May 27 2009, 03:57 PM, said:

Emur does bring up a good point about the 'use it or lose it' vig - but I'd rather lose it, in that situation, than waste it. It just puts pressure on, really, and forces you to make random or wild guesses.

More to the point, if the person who had it was a use it or lose it vig, then there is no need for them to stay quiet about it, yes? (And yeah, I have just made two posts asking for the vig to reveal themself - they probably shouldn't if they have an additional vig...even if they were a tad silly about the first one).

Claims he's available for the Sil lynch... (I don't quote it but he also just adds to the existing chorus on Day 2 by searching existing cases... again like me).

Fener, on May 28 2009, 10:07 PM, said:

I'm here now to - will be up until the deadline, easily.

So no chance of a no-lynch. My non-existance so far is annoying, but should end now with a long weekend. Hoorah for great re-reads. sleep.gif

... then suddenly missed the hammer...
"Suddenly missed the hammer" - yes, because someone actually used the hammer, didn't they? Am I psychic?

Fener, on May 28 2009, 11:26 PM, said:

Gah, how the fuck did I miss the deadline?

I mean, crappy result, but still, it must've crept past me. sleep.gif

WCS dictates he wasn't a symp.

He finally offers a case on yours truly... (left out the actual case)

Fener, on May 28 2009, 11:47 PM, said:

I'm going back to read D'riss now - can't remember.

... but in the end doesn't seem convinced enough to throw on the first vote. Scared maybe of leading another inno train?

He makes another huge WIFOM comment about framing Mockra
Actually, it's an anti-WIFOM comment. We all know that discussion of night-kills is WIFOM, I'm just pointing out that such things as this are silly.

Fener, on May 29 2009, 03:13 AM, said:

Yeah, but really now - who the fuck would be that stupid?

At best, it's someone trying, miserably, to frame Mockra up.

... and then immediately adds to it (he responds to Ruse asking who would frame Mockra), then disappears before he can research a case.

Fener, on May 29 2009, 03:27 AM, said:

Erm...the killers, mayhap? XD

Who's been looking at him, and who's been avoiding him? I don't have time to check, as I'm about to go to bed myself...

Again, just mentions he can't offer a lot of cases... like me...

Fener, on May 29 2009, 03:42 AM, said:

tongue.gif

And fyi, I was around before the lynch. If you read back. I got distracted by food. XD

Besides, I can't do re-reads at this time of night. Not without coming up with random crazy theories. And it's not like there's much to discuss, is it?

And again just sees who's on the block for the day to lend his voice.

Fener, on May 29 2009, 11:21 PM, said:

Oh, of course!

Yeah, wasn't it Mockra, D'riss, and Liosan?

Well, yeah, it is a bit of a stretch, but even so, it's more than anything else we've got during this incredibly slow session. Which reminds me, is the weekend freeze time-inclusive? Or is it only modkill timer? If it's time, then there is no point in rushing. Elsewise, I'd like to really focus on those three people a bit, and perhaps pressure them.

He eventually adds to HP's vote on me, noting that HP may be a target if I come up inno... in other words, he's giving himself more outs.
That, my good D'riss, be strawmanning. I said no such thing. I said the case was flimsy, not that HP might be a target. If you are talking about the "threat of a potential lynch" then you have misread - I was talking about that towards you. And yes, I was adding to HP's vote on you, in the hopes of putting pressure on, supporting my own case that I'd made against you. What's so strange about that, when another person seems to share your views?

Fener, on May 29 2009, 11:40 PM, said:

The most frustrating thing for me with the weekend so far is that it's my most productive time! And no-one has been around. sad.gif

I'm happy with supporting you on that D'riss thing, HP - I made the original point about his fixation with Emur...and the other stuff you've pulled up is enough to make it the most appealing thing so far to me. Even if it is flimsy, and probably won't go anywhere. The threat of potential lynch if nothing else shows up will be there:

Vote D'riss

Then he pulls the old "Let me go reread someone oh wait he's dead" trick. Note, this is not the same as my "I am suspicious of this guy" then "Oh shit he's dead" posting style as I read up the thread.
No, it's not the same. It's the "oh fuck, that was stupid of me" syndrome from not remembering that another player was dead. *shrug*

Fener, on May 30 2009, 12:43 AM, said:

I have decided to, and am currently, looking at Korlat, Ruse, and Mockra. I may look at some other people on your list there later. Though HP and Gamelon must surely have almost nothing on them, and I'm clearly biased if I look at myself - perhaps you could do that, Korv? tongue.gif

EDIT: Added the first 'to' above, and also I'm going to be eating dinner shortly, so don't be surprised if it takes me a while before I get back to posting my conclusions.

Fener, on May 30 2009, 12:48 AM, said:

Wait....Korlat died? Fuck. This is what happens to me when I develop memory loss at 18. sleep.gif

Scratch him off my list of looking-ats then. XD

Finally, he does a reread of Mockra but doesn't vote (not quoted).
Yep, I don't vote. Because Mockra has the thing with the crazy coincidences, whereas your case, to me, was stronger at the time and had more chance of getting a lynch in.

Summary + vote to follow.

Replies in bold.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 27 hours and 9 minutes remaining

11 Players still alive: Ampelas, D'riss, Fener, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Korvalain, Liosan, Mockra, Ruse, Shadow, Tellan

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night

1 vote for Fener: ( D'riss )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Fener, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Korvalain, Liosan, Mockra, Ruse, Shadow, Tellan

[Kessobahn]

Wow, nicely done senor vig. Uh, sorry about no posts yesterday, at a friend's house all day and intarwebz were inactive for most of the evening once I got home. Now I must go to church, will be back to discuss in a few hours.

[Shadow]

Fener, on May 31 2009, 04:17 AM, said:

Fener's gigantic quote post

So all in all, Fener, basically you have a bunch of excuses for not sticking your head out the slightest bit all game. Some of those excuses could perhaps be valid, but the overall tendency that you just pop in for wee bits at a time, make enough promises to sate us and then flee without willing to expose yourself in the least just reeks of scum to me.

Vote Fener

[Kessobahn]

Yes, agreed, Fener you've exemplified the style of play that I've been criticizing from day 1, namely the guy who comes and goes so infrequently that you can barely be said to have played at all. Now, that being said, I don't understand the scumminess of such play, if anything your play style suggests to me that you've been given a role that you dont like, or don't know how to play, and so are basically ignoring it and posting when you feel like it. I've done that before as inno and symps, mainly if its a game that I don't have time for and I'm RI I just ignore it unless I have nothing better to do. And symps I can't play for shit, so I just let myself be modkilled half the time. I'd be more inclined to think you're a symp than a true scum, and am going to look at your interactions with others before putting a vote down, but do try and post some more.

[Kessobahn]

Okay, so Fener's interactions. These are posts taken out of context in the "Find member's posts" function, but all directly talking to or about other currently living players.

Fener, on May 29 2009, 01:38 AM, said:

Yeah, I could go for that, Korv. I'll check it out - not much chance of stuff now, but could be an interesting PoV tomorrow.

Then again, seems a lot of people have been down the Emur track already, as I'm reading up.

Agrees with Korv. This happens a lot in the last couple days.

Fener, on May 29 2009, 06:13 AM, said:

Yeah, but really now - who the fuck would be that stupid?

At best, it's someone trying, miserably, to frame Mockra up.

Argues with Ruse. They had quite a back and forth for a while.

Fener, on May 30 2009, 12:31 AM, said:

Hey! A person!

*was ronery*

Again talks to Korv and continues to speak quite amiably with him.

Fener, on May 30 2009, 02:40 AM, said:

The most frustrating thing for me with the weekend so far is that it's my most productive time! And no-one has been around.

I'm happy with supporting you on that D'riss thing, HP - I made the original point about his fixation with Emur...and the other stuff you've pulled up is enough to make it the most appealing thing so far to me. Even if it is flimsy, and probably won't go anywhere. The threat of potential lynch if nothing else shows up will be there:

Vote D'riss

Now mentions how happy he'd be to follow HP.

He's also presented cases on D'riss and Mockra. So a busy bee for a low poster. I'm not sure atm, but I think his cases were presented at times when the lynch was forming elsewither and he tried to bring attention to these two. Maybe not the Mockra case, but I'm fairly sure about the D'riss one. Will check and edit it in. So all in all, he's behaving more like Id expect a symp to act, and I'd be looking for his masters beginning with HP and Korv, with the potential for Ruse being in there.

[Shadow]

On that last one, several people were talking about D'riss, Liosan and Mockra, whilst me and D'riss were challenging Korv, but more like disputing what he was saying as non-sensical, not so much accusing him of scum. If Fener is indeed scum, then for that circumstance I'd say he was either trying to help the D'riss case get going because Korv might've been about to be threatened, or else he was just being eager to support HP.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 17 hours and 54 minutes remaining

11 Players still alive: Ampelas, D'riss, Fener, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Korvalain, Liosan, Mockra, Ruse, Shadow, Tellan

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night

2 votes for Fener: ( D'riss, Shadow )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Fener, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Korvalain, Liosan, Mockra, Ruse, Tellan