[Path-Shaper]

shadow said:

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To clarify your discussion with venge yesterday - If you come to the conclusion that someone is scum based on meta (alt-guessing, timezones etc) I have no problem with that. However, using that as evidence in a case is against the spirit of the game. You will also find that many of the players will be uncomfortable with a lynch based solely on meta. So you are more than welcome to use meta as your own motivation to try pursue someone, but in doing so you must use evidence from in thread.

Okie doke. As Venge pointed out, time-zoning isinaccurate anyway since some people will purposely try to throw people off with crazh schemes (I remember JA took a trip to North America a few games ago to annoy people), I guess I shouldn't be saying timezones so much as posting-times.

Ah well, time to go build the Fener/Mockra/MB/Silencer case if such a thing is possible.

[Kurt Montandon]

drinksinbars, on May 31 2009, 07:05 AM, said:

kess should consider cjumping on fener now. then goign for driss tongith.

And there he goes ...

Early enough that it may do him some good if Fener gets lynched.

[Sir Thursday]

Kurt Montandon, on May 31 2009, 08:02 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on May 31 2009, 07:05 AM, said:

kess should consider cjumping on fener now. then goign for driss tongith.

And there he goes ...

Early enough that it may do him some good if Fener gets lynched.

He's doing it really non-commitally though...especially that last thing about Fener and Meanas not being partnered...I'm not sure he's going to get much currency out of it, really. Not that it's going to last much longer if it goes on like this - if Gem guards him tonight and Fener gets lynched, Gem reveals guard and that's the game.


Sir Thursday

[Sixty]

I think that if PB reveals finder, they lynch Fener, then Kesso's defense sheds some suspicion on him...

[Path-Shaper]

M45 with an idea. Sounds reasonably cool.

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I think I'm getting better at this. Silencer, you owe me +10 mafia rep. Honestly, I think we need a Mafia tracker on this site. I gather there's enough players who haven't played since the games got lost that it wouldn't make too much difference.

A mafia tracker? We could call it the snitch, but I have no idea what you're talking about.

Its something they use on Westeros and that Grief is working to start up on Modcraft. It tracks each player's win/loss history with bonus points if you won an uber hard role. I think he's also trying to do some style points or something. I'm pretty sure I get epic style for my performance in the LOTR game, which earned me the silver tongue award. tongue.gif

So sorta like our carding system, but more formal. I'll copy and paste this into spoilers, but to get it working here you would need the mafia mods (Morgy, Silencer, Mentalist and JA who has taken a sabbatical) behind it, as they will likely do the admin.

[Grief]

Basically it's a spreadsheet thing. They have something similar at westeros, though I'm vague on the ins and outs of it.

So far it's going along the lines of:

Games won/games played*Cumulative difficulty rating/games played*100.

The difficulty rating is assigned to each game(this is the bit that needs most work, because the number shouldn't be too high or the difficulty has too much impact making the amount you win matter less, but it has to be large enough to make some impact to the final score).

I considered making one for this site, but the problem is there have been far more games than at modcraft, aswell as more of the high TMDI games which take more work in regards to difficulty rating.

[Grief]

Path-Shaper, on May 31 2009, 09:16 PM, said:

M45 with an idea. Sounds reasonably cool.

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I think I'm getting better at this. Silencer, you owe me +10 mafia rep. Honestly, I think we need a Mafia tracker on this site. I gather there's enough players who haven't played since the games got lost that it wouldn't make too much difference.

A mafia tracker? We could call it the snitch, but I have no idea what you're talking about.

Its something they use on Westeros and that Grief is working to start up on Modcraft. It tracks each player's win/loss history with bonus points if you won an uber hard role. I think he's also trying to do some style points or something. I'm pretty sure I get epic style for my performance in the LOTR game, which earned me the silver tongue award. tongue.gif

So sorta like our carding system, but more formal. I'll copy and paste this into spoilers, but to get it working here you would need the mafia mods (Morgy, Silencer, Mentalist and JA who has taken a sabbatical) behind it, as they will likely do the admin.

Not really like the carding system. The idea is that it keeps track of how well you are doing, and you can keep track of your improvement.

It started off as just a win/games played, but I decided to see if I could add in something that took into account how difficult it was.

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M45's Prov

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I think I'm getting better at this. Silencer, you owe me +10 mafia rep. Honestly, I think we need a Mafia tracker on this site. I gather there's enough players who haven't played since the games got lost that it wouldn't make too much difference.

A mafia tracker? We could call it the snitch, but I have no idea what you're talking about.

Its something they use on Westeros and that Grief is working to start up on Modcraft. It tracks each player's win/loss history with bonus points if you won an uber hard role. I think he's also trying to do some style points or something. I'm pretty sure I get epic style for my performance in the LOTR game, which earned me the silver tongue award. tongue.gif

So sorta like our carding system, but more formal. I'll copy and paste this into spoilers, but to get it working here you would need the mafia mods (Morgy, Silencer, Mentalist and JA who has taken a sabbatical) behind it, as they will likely do the admin.

Ya, well Silencer is all for it on MC and he's our mafia mod. So its going ahead.../obvious. Uhh, provisional kill on

HP

That way if he comes up the way I think he will, it'll give Silencer a convenient cover story. I was paied with HP, etc, but now you're trying to kill me so, etc. Adios.

[Path-Shaper]

Ok, I see how it works. Got confused when he said he won a silvertongue award for it. Can you get bonus points for modding

The first way of doing difficulty I could think of would be the inverse TMDI - TMDI 1 gets divided by 10, TMDI 10 gets divided by one. After that it gets difficult though, because things get subjective. Adding stuff like bonus points for winning with a difficult role etc really depends on someone's opinion of what makes a role difficult.

[Sir Thursday]

I had to laugh at this post:

D'riss, on May 31 2009, 11:06 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on May 31 2009, 10:06 AM, said:

Yes, agreed, Fener you've exemplified the style of play that I've been criticizing from day 1, namely the guy who comes and goes so infrequently that you can barely be said to have played at all. Now, that being said, I don't understand the scumminess of such play, if anything your play style suggests to me that you've been given a role that you dont like, or don't know how to play, and so are basically ignoring it and posting when you feel like it. I've done that before as inno and symps, mainly if its a game that I don't have time for and I'm RI I just ignore it unless I have nothing better to do. And symps I can't play for shit, so I just let myself be modkilled half the time. I'd be more inclined to think you're a symp than a true scum, and am going to look at your interactions with others before putting a vote down, but do try and post some more.

Honestly this looks like a huge WIFOM defense-of-Fener post. Chastising Fener but not taking the step to vote him. Then again, why would you make it so obvious if you're his partner?

I imagine M45 is laughing/crying about it also. PB cuts straight to the heart of the matter. Now if he can avoid overthinking, he's got the whole scum team pegged.


Sir Thursday

[Shinrei]

The mafia tracker is an interesting idea, but are we sure of how it might affect the games here? I've been happy and addicted since I started a month ago, but I"m also a really competitive person. A tracker of my performance might lead to me taking mafia way more seriously than I should. If I'm not alone on this, this could make for more angsty/agressive/pissyness in the games.


And it has been said before, and I'll say it again - Peanutbutta is quite the mafia boss.

[Sixty]

Yeah, I'd have to agree that adding a ranking system would cause an explosion of epeen, rage, and butthurtedness.

[Path-Shaper]

Korv with some guesses

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Alt-Guesses:

Liosan is Ment.
Fener is PB/Malease (get these two confused all the time)
Kessobahn is Bubba (is he in this game? If not, make that Gem)
D'riss is PB/Malease (same thing)


That's all I've got.

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D'riss

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change the prov to Mockra


I'm pretty much boned right now.

I could reveal finder, hope for a healer, and try to use my powers to find scum for the rest of the game.

Of course, if Fener's going to get lynched, why both revealing? Sadly I think all of the people I already found are no longer CI because with 2 scum down (both of whom are almost certainly initial scum), I would not be surprised if 2 symps were activated in the process. So it's square one again.

So torn. I could fake reveal Vig paired with Gamelon and hope the real vig realizes I'm trying to save my good role. I'd also have to figure out who was vigged on night 1. Lots could go wrong here with the scum realizing what I'm doing and just killing me. Doubt a healer would bother saving me without a vig left, but maybe if I'm CI.

I'd really like to stick around in this game but I think I'm probably dead anyway with the case on Fener. I had a crazy idea to fake-accidentally-post-on-thread a PM to Spoiler Heaven after Fener is lynched and pretend like I'm a symp who still isn't' activated after the two deaths and hope that I am not killed because I cannibalized Fener to give myself PI. Of course, if the scum don't buy it or don't see it during the 4-hour night, they will still kill me for the Fener case and then team inno thinks I'm actually scum (obviously I'd reveal I only did it to save myself another night the next day). And of course, I will probably draw any guards that way.

Sigh. What to do?

[Path-Shaper]

From Kesso, real mods take note:

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Targeting Mockra.

Just to create a little WIFOM. Also, how do you like my fake drunk post? Does it seem real enough? I thought if I seemed a little too pushy/paranoid, passing myself off as drunk would make me seem, well, less scummy. Cuz I'm "drunk".

Silencer, I really don't know what to think about likely targets for you. If you can even act tonight, I don't remember. I might recommend D'riss, but like I said, no clue. Hope you come back soon and can post some.

EDIT: Which may sort of fuck with PB, who'll wonder if his "Find" is what did it ... assuming I understand the mechanics of this game correctly, which is not entirely likely.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 01 June 2009 - 03:41 AM

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korv

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At this point, I have no idea who is scum, other than Meanas.

People on the radar are:

Ampelas, who might just be really fucking bored, but I'm wondering why Liosan continues to vote him. Either Liosan is a finder or guard or symp trying to muddy waters. Maybe. Blah.

Hoods Path was voted for by Meanas at the beginning of the game, but was that possibly getting in the "not coasting, look I'm voting" vote, or purposefully trying to avoid late-game, who have you mentioned?

Shadow, kind of the same thing as H.P.

Kess is seeming like a symp, big time.

I have no read on Tellan.

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hp

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You awake to discover a sheet of parchment slipped under your door. Your eyes widen in amazement as you realise the parchment details the rituals to summon an assassin demon. Unfortunately the parchment is old and fragile, already crumbling to dust at the edges. You have one night kill that must be used in the next two days.

So I'm totally stoked about this power. Also a little intimidated. I think I'm gonna wait to use it until tomorrow night, as I'm inclined to use it on Tellan at the moment, but I could be totally off-base and I'd rather hear a response from him. Also on my radar: Shadow, and Kesso and Ruse as possible symps. Bleh. The only people I'm not suspicious of are the people clearly bumbling around like silly people - Korv, Mockra, and to some extent D'riss.

I was really hoping to hear more from Amp and Tellan before the end of the day. Right now I still don't feel like I have enough to go on.

[Path-Shaper]

ruse

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With 4 hours left and the only possible lynch being fener i suggest kessoh pull his finger out of his ass and fucking vote for fener ASAP.

Its done....he's finished....there is no way to save him just cut your losses and vote for your parter already???!!!
whats with this pseudo defense of fener by kessoh for pity sake, its pretty flippen obvious...

He will get spotted for being a defender of fener and will stick out like a sore thumb when it gets looked over after the lynch.
I cant even fake reveal as it will just look like i am pulling the eyes off of fener once i am discovered to be lying and we will both just die for nothing.

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mockra

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Bind Korv

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driss

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Remove the provisional for now. I should be able to wake up before night times out at this point. Yes I woke up at 3 AM to check the board if the lynch happened yet.