[Kessobahn]

Silanah, on May 13 2009, 08:23 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on May 13 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 13 2009, 08:13 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on May 13 2009, 01:06 PM, said:

I don't agree, I think it's a valid question to ask. I think we have to assume that UB or BB, at some point in the game, could silence themselves, or pretend to be silenced. But I agree that voting for someone solely because they are silenced is somewhat scummy. Likewise saying the silence-issue isn't an issue at all is somewhat scummy aswell.

I dont think you get what we are saying.
Of course we agree that the UB can silence himself...but just because some one is silenced is not enough evidence, actually its not evidence at all. Not by itself....perhaps later on we can deduce that someone perhaps silenced them selves...but sure as shit not now.

For korlat to say "i dont buy that Ehmur is silenced" is completely unfounded, why doesnt he buy it?
What exactly is he seeing that we arent?
What doesn't he ..."buy"
It just seems that he is trying to discredit emur without a scrap of evidence and it is strange to say the least.

See the above underlined text.

its not only becasue he is silenced....
He flat out says he doesnt "buy that he was silenced"...there is a slight difference.

Lets just say you are right, how does that make him scum?

[Kessobahn]

Heeeelooo, where did everybody go.

[Liosan]

I see being silenced as being a non factor. There is no way to tell if it is real or not. I will base my voting purely on the playing of the individual, not on them being silenced. All being silenced does is make it harder to get your point accross. I dont see it as a free pass for the day. If you were a suspect the day before being silenced, you still are just as much a suspect in my eyes.

[Gamelon]

Sorry, I'm here but doing other stuff at the same time.

@Kesso
Telas said that Korlat's post looks like it's poorly thought out and seems like he

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just wants to throw a vote somewhere to make it appear like he's doing something

[Kessobahn]

Gamelon, on May 13 2009, 08:57 AM, said:

Sorry, I'm here but doing other stuff at the same time.

@Kesso
Telas said that Korlat's post looks like it's poorly thought out and seems like he

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just wants to throw a vote somewhere to make it appear like he's doing something

You mean Emur's posts?

[Silanah]

Kessobahn, on May 13 2009, 01:38 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 13 2009, 08:23 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on May 13 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 13 2009, 08:13 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on May 13 2009, 01:06 PM, said:

I don't agree, I think it's a valid question to ask. I think we have to assume that UB or BB, at some point in the game, could silence themselves, or pretend to be silenced. But I agree that voting for someone solely because they are silenced is somewhat scummy. Likewise saying the silence-issue isn't an issue at all is somewhat scummy aswell.

I dont think you get what we are saying.
Of course we agree that the UB can silence himself...but just because some one is silenced is not enough evidence, actually its not evidence at all. Not by itself....perhaps later on we can deduce that someone perhaps silenced them selves...but sure as shit not now.

For korlat to say "i dont buy that Ehmur is silenced" is completely unfounded, why doesnt he buy it?
What exactly is he seeing that we arent?
What doesn't he ..."buy"
It just seems that he is trying to discredit emur without a scrap of evidence and it is strange to say the least.

See the above underlined text.

its not only becasue he is silenced....
He flat out says he doesnt "buy that he was silenced"...there is a slight difference.

Lets just say you are right, how does that make him scum?

never said he was....just pointing out his strange comment and waiting for him to return to explain...
I must say, you do seem rather quick to try and absolve him of any wrong doing though.

[Ruse]

@Kesso: I think he's referring to Korlat's vote.

To get my 2 cents in, I'd have to agree that while potentially useful later on, speculating now does nothing. Since PS confirmed that the silencing took place before the game began, any speculation is pure WIFOM.

[Ruse]

Also, has everyone checked in? If so, we can more or less confirm Emur's silencing.

[Meanas]

Liosan, on May 13 2009, 07:50 AM, said:

I see being silenced as being a non factor. There is no way to tell if it is real or not. I will base my voting purely on the playing of the individual, not on them being silenced. All being silenced does is make it harder to get your point accross. I dont see it as a free pass for the day. If you were a suspect the day before being silenced, you still are just as much a suspect in my eyes.

What do you mean 'there is no way to tell if it is real or not'? Unless we have 2 silences in one day, the single person silenced would be moronic to pretend to be silenced.

Did you mean 'we can't use the silencing as an inno find", because that would make sense.

[Gamelon]

Sorry, here's the whole post.

Telas, on May 13 2009, 11:30 AM, said:

Korlat, on May 12 2009, 09:43 PM, said:

... aaaaand we're back. Well, I'm back anyways, because no-one else is here.

OK.

Voting Rashan for the limerick B.S. would be too easy and obvious, so no to that. Voting Telas or Liosan for being annoying and over-defensive ... also no go.

So:

Vote Emurlahn

Since I'm not sure if I buy that he was Silenced by someone ... or Silenced himself as a way of pretending to be Inno.

this post makes completely no sense.

firstly, as other people have pointed out, why would he care if it's "too obvious".
secondly, he votes Emurlahn. now, this is the bit I want to focus on. he votes him because he isn't sure that emurlahn didn't silence himself. this imples that, since he thinks emurlahn could've silenced himself, emurlahn is UB. so, why does he vote for the person he thinks is UB, the symp? you don't vote for the symp. they CF inno, so you've no way of knowing how to proceed from there. if you think you know who the symp is, which korlat seems to think in this post, then why doesn't he make some attempt to look for the master, instead of just voting the symp? which makes it seem like he hasn't thought the vote through, and just wants to throw a vote somewhere to make it appear like he's doing something.

however, I am happy with my rashan vote atm, so not changing, but I do think that it is a very odd post, and would be happy to vote him as second choice to rashan.

Maybe he hasn't thought the vote through, but doing something for the appearence of doing something is a little suspicious.

[Silanah]

Meanas, on May 13 2009, 02:25 PM, said:

Liosan, on May 13 2009, 07:50 AM, said:

I see being silenced as being a non factor. There is no way to tell if it is real or not. I will base my voting purely on the playing of the individual, not on them being silenced. All being silenced does is make it harder to get your point accross. I dont see it as a free pass for the day. If you were a suspect the day before being silenced, you still are just as much a suspect in my eyes.

What do you mean 'there is no way to tell if it is real or not'? Unless we have 2 silences in one day, the single person silenced would be moronic to pretend to be silenced.

Did you mean 'we can't use the silencing as an inno find", because that would make sense.

I think he means that there is no way to tell if the person that is silenced is scum silencing themselves or if it is a legit silencing of an inno.

[Liosan]

Meanas, on May 13 2009, 09:25 AM, said:

Liosan, on May 13 2009, 07:50 AM, said:

I see being silenced as being a non factor. There is no way to tell if it is real or not. I will base my voting purely on the playing of the individual, not on them being silenced. All being silenced does is make it harder to get your point accross. I dont see it as a free pass for the day. If you were a suspect the day before being silenced, you still are just as much a suspect in my eyes.

What do you mean 'there is no way to tell if it is real or not'? Unless we have 2 silences in one day, the single person silenced would be moronic to pretend to be silenced.

Did you mean 'we can't use the silencing as an inno find", because that would make sense.

I mean we cant tell if it someone is silenced for real,or UB silencing himself

Edit: I replyed when I read the post, I didn't see that cross post.

This post has been edited by Liosan: 13 May 2009 - 01:43 PM

[Ruse]

I was going to suggest that Korlat only wanted to put a vote down (that is, "commit" to something, which I know I've personally been attacked for in the past, even on day 1) but apparently he notified the thread he was going to sleep over 4 hours later... in that intervening time, he didn't make a single other post.

That's at least something to go on, I guess.

[Rashan]

Ruse, on May 12 2009, 09:14 PM, said:

Honestly I'd prefer to stay away from the pro- con- spammer argument because I think it's taking a dead horse, beating it with a club, then dismembering it and fornicating with the remnants...in other words, a moot point.

And the numbers do point in Liosan's favor. 79 posts in under 12 hours with the board down for half of that? I think that's pushing it, even if some of the limericks were genuinely clever/chuckle-worthy.

What I'd suggest is to find an alternative avenue...I'll call when I find one.

It was actually 79 posts in around 4 hours. Stupid thread kept going down.

Silanah, on May 13 2009, 03:36 AM, said:

Im wondering why rashan finds it "fun" to convolute the thread and make it more difficult to read?
And why Ehmurlan and D'riss seem to be sticking up for him.
Is it because they too want the thread to be messy?

It seems....odd.

It was fun to do as there was nothing else going on. However now that we are starting to get down to business I will try to keep my post count to under 50 or so per day. If you saw my apt you would know that I like Messy.

Also DRUMSTICK


Now I also find Korlat's little peep suspicious. But I don't know if I am ready to vote for him. I still think that Meanas is scum due to his fun hating ways.

[Ruse]

@Rashan, I think you need to read HD's commandments of Mafia...they're somewhere in the last game's spoiler thread. One of them reads along the lines of:

Mafia is srs business

Learn it.

[Rashan]

Ruse, on May 13 2009, 08:51 AM, said:

@Rashan, I think you need to read HD's commandments of Mafia...they're somewhere in the last game's spoiler thread. One of them reads along the lines of:

Mafia is srs business

Learn it.

You obviously missed number 10. Ignore the previous nine

[Fener]

Silanah, on May 13 2009, 04:38 AM, said:

Tennes, on May 13 2009, 09:33 AM, said:

Noones else is around

The spam wasnt as bad as it has been in some games, I had a bit of a chuckle. I agree, the semi-pissing contest is pretty much the only analysable thing that has happened so far.

Also this:

Korlat, on May 13 2009, 03:43 AM, said:

... aaaaand we're back. Well, I'm back anyways, because no-one else is here.

OK.

Voting Rashan for the limerick B.S. would be too easy and obvious, so no to that. Voting Telas or Liosan for being annoying and over-defensive ... also no go.

So:

Vote Emurlahn

Since I'm not sure if I buy that he was Silenced by someone ... or Silenced himself as a way of pretending to be Inno.

vote Korlat

since that's exactly the kind of logic UB would bring into the thread at the first opportunity.

you know i noticed this post aswell
The thing that stood out to me was

Korlat, on May 13 2009, 03:43 AM, said:

... aaaaand we're back. Well, I'm back anyways, because no-one else is here.

OK.

Voting Rashan for the limerick B.S. would be too easy and obvious, so no to that. Voting Telas or Liosan for being annoying and over-defensive ... also no go.

why should he care about appearing "obvious"

Silanah taking Tennes' post and adding to it.

Telas, on May 13 2009, 06:30 AM, said:

Korlat, on May 12 2009, 09:43 PM, said:

... aaaaand we're back. Well, I'm back anyways, because no-one else is here.

OK.

Voting Rashan for the limerick B.S. would be too easy and obvious, so no to that. Voting Telas or Liosan for being annoying and over-defensive ... also no go.

So:

Vote Emurlahn

Since I'm not sure if I buy that he was Silenced by someone ... or Silenced himself as a way of pretending to be Inno.

this post makes completely no sense.

firstly, as other people have pointed out, why would he care if it's "too obvious".
secondly, he votes Emurlahn. now, this is the bit I want to focus on. he votes him because he isn't sure that emurlahn didn't silence himself. this imples that, since he thinks emurlahn could've silenced himself, emurlahn is UB. so, why does he vote for the person he thinks is UB, the symp? you don't vote for the symp. they CF inno, so you've no way of knowing how to proceed from there. if you think you know who the symp is, which korlat seems to think in this post, then why doesn't he make some attempt to look for the master, instead of just voting the symp? which makes it seem like he hasn't thought the vote through, and just wants to throw a vote somewhere to make it appear like he's doing something.

however, I am happy with my rashan vote atm, so not changing, but I do think that it is a very odd post, and would be happy to vote him as second choice to rashan.

Telas makes a good point

Silanah, on May 13 2009, 06:41 AM, said:

Also....

Korlat, on May 13 2009, 03:43 AM, said:

Since I'm not sure if I buy that he was Silenced by someone ...

Why would he come to this conclusion?
I mean...really.


edit - quote tags

Silanah, being helpful again, adding to Telas' case this time

Silanah, on May 13 2009, 08:13 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on May 13 2009, 01:06 PM, said:

Tennes, on May 13 2009, 07:09 AM, said:

Trying to analyse who got silenced and why is completely WIFOM, even more so than looking at NKs, since scum can target themselves. I dont like the fact that Korlat attacked the one person who is least able to defend themselves, hence my vote. Bringing up the whole 'are they UB/BB' thing every time someone is silenced is really just a waste of time, I really hope we dont have to go through it every day. I think we should take the silenced people at face value for now. Dont really see how Emur proclamining that he is a chicken sandwhich with bacon makes him scummy. I do dislike that he suggested we try find UB with meta, but I dislike any kind of meta reasoning and there wasnt anything else he could do to help.

I don't agree, I think it's a valid question to ask. I think we have to assume that UB or BB, at some point in the game, could silence themselves, or pretend to be silenced. But I agree that voting for someone solely because they are silenced is somewhat scummy. Likewise saying the silence-issue isn't an issue at all is somewhat scummy aswell.

I almost forgot.
remove vote


Edit: removed the redundant 'will'

I dont think you get what we are saying.
Of course we agree that the UB can silence himself...but just because some one is silenced is not enough evidence, actually its not evidence at all. Not by itself....perhaps later on we can deduce that someone perhaps silenced them selves...but sure as shit not now.

For korlat to say "i dont buy that Ehmur is silenced" is completely unfounded, why doesnt he buy it?
What exactly is he seeing that we arent?
What doesn't he ..."buy"
It just seems that he is trying to discredit emur without a scrap of evidence and it is strange to say the least.

Silanah says we, however, Sil, you didn't really do anything. You just seem really helpful and like hopping on board of others cases. Very non-confrontational. In fact



Remove Vote Vote Silanah

For symping pretty much everyone on thread so far.

[Rashan]

Fener, on May 13 2009, 09:04 AM, said:

Silanah says we, however, Sil, you didn't really do anything. You just seem really helpful and like hopping on board of others cases. Very non-confrontational. In fact



Remove Vote Vote Silanah

For symping pretty much everyone on thread so far.

Plus he is butt buddies with Meanas and an active member of the no fun league.

[Gamelon]

Rashan, on May 13 2009, 03:08 PM, said:

Fener, on May 13 2009, 09:04 AM, said:

Silanah says we, however, Sil, you didn't really do anything. You just seem really helpful and like hopping on board of others cases. Very non-confrontational. In fact



Remove Vote Vote Silanah

For symping pretty much everyone on thread so far.

Plus he is butt buddies with Meanas and an active member of the no fun league.

-Rashan

[Silanah]

Fener, on May 13 2009, 03:04 PM, said:

Silanah says we, however, Sil, you didn't really do anything. You just seem really helpful and like hopping on board of others cases. Very non-confrontational. In fact



Remove Vote Vote Silanah

For symping pretty much everyone on thread so far.

non confrontational?
Ive attacked korlat and rashan.

I havent done anything?...
What have YOU done?

Who am i symping?...everyone?
well then why are you voting for me?
vote for everyone...