[Tennes]

Hi everyone. Very sorry for joining so late. My apologies. Wait a couple of min for me to catch up, will have some thoughts then.

[Tennes]

Noones else is around

The spam wasnt as bad as it has been in some games, I had a bit of a chuckle. I agree, the semi-pissing contest is pretty much the only analysable thing that has happened so far.

Also this:

Korlat, on May 13 2009, 03:43 AM, said:

... aaaaand we're back. Well, I'm back anyways, because no-one else is here.

OK.

Voting Rashan for the limerick B.S. would be too easy and obvious, so no to that. Voting Telas or Liosan for being annoying and over-defensive ... also no go.

So:

Vote Emurlahn

Since I'm not sure if I buy that he was Silenced by someone ... or Silenced himself as a way of pretending to be Inno.

vote Korlat

since that's exactly the kind of logic UB would bring into the thread at the first opportunity.

[Silanah]

Im wondering why rashan finds it "fun" to convolute the thread and make it more difficult to read?
And why Ehmurlan and D'riss seem to be sticking up for him.
Is it because they too want the thread to be messy?

It seems....odd.

[Silanah]

Tennes, on May 13 2009, 09:33 AM, said:

Noones else is around

The spam wasnt as bad as it has been in some games, I had a bit of a chuckle. I agree, the semi-pissing contest is pretty much the only analysable thing that has happened so far.

Also this:

Korlat, on May 13 2009, 03:43 AM, said:

... aaaaand we're back. Well, I'm back anyways, because no-one else is here.

OK.

Voting Rashan for the limerick B.S. would be too easy and obvious, so no to that. Voting Telas or Liosan for being annoying and over-defensive ... also no go.

So:

Vote Emurlahn

Since I'm not sure if I buy that he was Silenced by someone ... or Silenced himself as a way of pretending to be Inno.

vote Korlat

since that's exactly the kind of logic UB would bring into the thread at the first opportunity.

you know i noticed this post aswell
The thing that stood out to me was

Korlat, on May 13 2009, 03:43 AM, said:

... aaaaand we're back. Well, I'm back anyways, because no-one else is here.

OK.

Voting Rashan for the limerick B.S. would be too easy and obvious, so no to that. Voting Telas or Liosan for being annoying and over-defensive ... also no go.

why should he care about appearing "obvious"

[Liosan]

Wow. I expected a few pages from when I went to bed.

The thing that is most surprising to me is how many people like the spam. Shocked I guess would be more accurate. But I guess if the majority like a huge amount of spam, I wont complain about it anymore.


Edit: On a side note I was thinking that maybe we could setup some sort of Spam index. That way people who don't want to play in huge spam fests don't have too, and people who want too wont be harped on by those that don't like spam. Like maybe rate them low=10 spam posts per poster per twenty four hours, med=25, high=40, and then unlimited. The mod running the game could set it to their liking, and have the rating in the sign up thread. just an idea.

This post has been edited by Liosan: 13 May 2009 - 10:22 AM

[Silanah]

People can spam if they want, i will just keep voting for them.
Not because it is inherently scummy per se.

But because it helps no one but the scum to do it...as it convolutes the thread and makes it difficult to keep track. Making it easy for scum to hide in plain sight.

Its similar to the reason we vote for low posters.

[Liosan]

Silanah, on May 13 2009, 06:13 AM, said:

People can spam if they want, i will just keep voting for them.
Not because it is inherently scummy per se.

But because it helps no one but the scum to do it...as it convolutes the thread and makes it difficult to keep track. Making it easy for scum to hide in plain sight.

Its similar to the reason we vote for low posters.

I hear you, but the amount of people that are for it seems to be quite large. I find it a huge pain in the ass myself. It makes it hard to keep up if you don't have all day to sit in front of the computer.

[Telas]

Korlat, on May 12 2009, 09:43 PM, said:

... aaaaand we're back. Well, I'm back anyways, because no-one else is here.

OK.

Voting Rashan for the limerick B.S. would be too easy and obvious, so no to that. Voting Telas or Liosan for being annoying and over-defensive ... also no go.

So:

Vote Emurlahn

Since I'm not sure if I buy that he was Silenced by someone ... or Silenced himself as a way of pretending to be Inno.

this post makes completely no sense.

firstly, as other people have pointed out, why would he care if it's "too obvious".
secondly, he votes Emurlahn. now, this is the bit I want to focus on. he votes him because he isn't sure that emurlahn didn't silence himself. this imples that, since he thinks emurlahn could've silenced himself, emurlahn is UB. so, why does he vote for the person he thinks is UB, the symp? you don't vote for the symp. they CF inno, so you've no way of knowing how to proceed from there. if you think you know who the symp is, which korlat seems to think in this post, then why doesn't he make some attempt to look for the master, instead of just voting the symp? which makes it seem like he hasn't thought the vote through, and just wants to throw a vote somewhere to make it appear like he's doing something.

however, I am happy with my rashan vote atm, so not changing, but I do think that it is a very odd post, and would be happy to vote him as second choice to rashan.

[Silanah]

Also....

Korlat, on May 13 2009, 03:43 AM, said:

Since I'm not sure if I buy that he was Silenced by someone ...

Why would he come to this conclusion?
I mean...really.


edit - quote tags

This post has been edited by Silanah: 13 May 2009 - 10:42 AM

[Telas]

I know, it's not as if theres any way to find out at all.
Sure, he could've silenced himself. He could be BB, and UB silenced him to buy him through the random day one phase(more likely than him being UB, imo).
However, it's pretty impossible to defend yourself against something like that. Particularly when silenced.
All we can do is keep an eye on him for suspicious behaviour later in the game. Yes, it gives him pretty much a free pass this day, but all we've got to go on really is that he's been silenced, and that's not enough to go on.
So, he's basically attacking someone who can't defend themselves against the accusations at all.

[Tennes]

Telas, on May 13 2009, 12:48 PM, said:

I know, it's not as if theres any way to find out at all.
Sure, he could've silenced himself. He could be BB, and UB silenced him to buy him through the random day one phase(more likely than him being UB, imo).
However, it's pretty impossible to defend yourself against something like that. Particularly when silenced.
All we can do is keep an eye on him for suspicious behaviour later in the game. Yes, it gives him pretty much a free pass this day, but all we've got to go on really is that he's been silenced, and that's not enough to go on.
So, he's basically attacking someone who can't defend themselves against the accusations at all.

Trying to analyse who got silenced and why is completely WIFOM, even more so than looking at NKs, since scum can target themselves. I dont like the fact that Korlat attacked the one person who is least able to defend themselves, hence my vote. Bringing up the whole 'are they UB/BB' thing every time someone is silenced is really just a waste of time, I really hope we dont have to go through it every day. I think we should take the silenced people at face value for now. Dont really see how Emur proclamining that he is a chicken sandwhich with bacon makes him scummy. I do dislike that he suggested we try find UB with meta, but I dislike any kind of meta reasoning and there wasnt anything else he could do to help.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 14 hours and 23 minutes remaining

15 Players still alive: D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Rashan, Ruse, Silanah, Telas, Tennes

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night

1 vote for Emurlahn: ( Korlat )
1 vote for Meanas: ( Rashan )
1 vote for Telas: ( D'riss )
2 votes for Liosan: ( Emurlahn, Fener )
1 vote for Gamelon: ( Hood's Path )
1 vote for D'riss: ( Kessobahn )
1 vote for Korlat: ( Tennes )
3 votes for Rashan: ( Meanas, Silanah, Liosan )

Players not voted: Gamelon, Korvalain, Ruse, Telas

[Emurlahn]

Telas, on May 13 2009, 11:48 AM, said:

So, he's basically attacking someone who can't defend themselves against the accusations at all.

Tennes, on May 13 2009, 12:09 PM, said:

Trying to analyse who got silenced and why is completely WIFOM, even more so than looking at NKs, since scum can target themselves. I dont like the fact that Korlat attacked the one person who is least able to defend themselves, hence my vote. Bringing up the whole 'are they UB/BB' thing every time someone is silenced is really just a waste of time, I really hope we dont have to go through it every day. I think we should take the silenced people at face value for now. Dont really see how Emur proclamining that he is a chicken sandwhich with bacon makes him scummy. I do dislike that he suggested we try find UB with meta, but I dislike any kind of meta reasoning and there wasnt anything else he could do to help.

[Emurlahn]

Remove vote

Vote Korlat

[Kessobahn]

Tennes, on May 13 2009, 07:09 AM, said:

Trying to analyse who got silenced and why is completely WIFOM, even more so than looking at NKs, since scum can target themselves. I dont like the fact that Korlat attacked the one person who is least able to defend themselves, hence my vote. Bringing up the whole 'are they UB/BB' thing every time someone is silenced is really just a waste of time, I really hope we dont have to go through it every day. I think we should take the silenced people at face value for now. Dont really see how Emur proclamining that he is a chicken sandwhich with bacon makes him scummy. I do dislike that he suggested we try find UB with meta, but I dislike any kind of meta reasoning and there wasnt anything else he could do to help.

I don't agree, I think it's a valid question to ask. I think we have to assume that UB or BB, at some point in the game, could silence themselves, or pretend to be silenced. But I agree that voting for someone solely because they are silenced is somewhat scummy. Likewise saying the silence-issue isn't an issue at all is somewhat scummy aswell.

I almost forgot.
remove vote


Edit: removed the redundant 'will'

This post has been edited by Kessobahn: 13 May 2009 - 12:07 PM

[Silanah]

Kessobahn, on May 13 2009, 01:06 PM, said:

Tennes, on May 13 2009, 07:09 AM, said:

Trying to analyse who got silenced and why is completely WIFOM, even more so than looking at NKs, since scum can target themselves. I dont like the fact that Korlat attacked the one person who is least able to defend themselves, hence my vote. Bringing up the whole 'are they UB/BB' thing every time someone is silenced is really just a waste of time, I really hope we dont have to go through it every day. I think we should take the silenced people at face value for now. Dont really see how Emur proclamining that he is a chicken sandwhich with bacon makes him scummy. I do dislike that he suggested we try find UB with meta, but I dislike any kind of meta reasoning and there wasnt anything else he could do to help.

I don't agree, I think it's a valid question to ask. I think we have to assume that UB or BB, at some point in the game, could silence themselves, or pretend to be silenced. But I agree that voting for someone solely because they are silenced is somewhat scummy. Likewise saying the silence-issue isn't an issue at all is somewhat scummy aswell.

I almost forgot.
remove vote


Edit: removed the redundant 'will'

I dont think you get what we are saying.
Of course we agree that the UB can silence himself...but just because some one is silenced is not enough evidence, actually its not evidence at all. Not by itself....perhaps later on we can deduce that someone perhaps silenced them selves...but sure as shit not now.

For korlat to say "i dont buy that Ehmur is silenced" is completely unfounded, why doesnt he buy it?
What exactly is he seeing that we arent?
What doesn't he ..."buy"
It just seems that he is trying to discredit emur without a scrap of evidence and it is strange to say the least.

[Kessobahn]

Silanah, on May 13 2009, 08:13 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on May 13 2009, 01:06 PM, said:

I don't agree, I think it's a valid question to ask. I think we have to assume that UB or BB, at some point in the game, could silence themselves, or pretend to be silenced. But I agree that voting for someone solely because they are silenced is somewhat scummy. Likewise saying the silence-issue isn't an issue at all is somewhat scummy aswell.

I dont think you get what we are saying.
Of course we agree that the UB can silence himself...but just because some one is silenced is not enough evidence, actually its not evidence at all. Not by itself....perhaps later on we can deduce that someone perhaps silenced them selves...but sure as shit not now.

For korlat to say "i dont buy that Ehmur is silenced" is completely unfounded, why doesnt he buy it?
What exactly is he seeing that we arent?
What doesn't he ..."buy"
It just seems that he is trying to discredit emur without a scrap of evidence and it is strange to say the least.

See the above underlined text.

[Gamelon]

Liosan, on May 13 2009, 10:51 AM, said:

Wow. I expected a few pages from when I went to bed.

That's because Rashan hasn't been here.


However, there is actually some interesting stuff coming out now.
The post by Korlat is a indeed strange. An attack on Emur seems a little unwarrented, especially on evidence that seems more like a hunch. The "obvious" comment could just be poor wording, but the speculation about who silenced who is just going to tie everything in knots this early. I wasn't here for the other Benses game, so I've been thinking about the silencing factor. How effective can speculating about this be? Tennes is saying it's useless and Kesso is saying that suggesting it's not important sounds scummy. It might be important at some point, but IMO speculating might obfuscate things more than it helps if we over analyse it.

edit: crosspost with silanah and kesso

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 13 May 2009 - 12:20 PM

[Tennes]

Kessobahn, on May 13 2009, 02:06 PM, said:

Tennes, on May 13 2009, 07:09 AM, said:

Trying to analyse who got silenced and why is completely WIFOM, even more so than looking at NKs, since scum can target themselves. I dont like the fact that Korlat attacked the one person who is least able to defend themselves, hence my vote. Bringing up the whole 'are they UB/BB' thing every time someone is silenced is really just a waste of time, I really hope we dont have to go through it every day. I think we should take the silenced people at face value for now. Dont really see how Emur proclamining that he is a chicken sandwhich with bacon makes him scummy. I do dislike that he suggested we try find UB with meta, but I dislike any kind of meta reasoning and there wasnt anything else he could do to help.

I don't agree, I think it's a valid question to ask. I think we have to assume that UB or BB, at some point in the game, could silence themselves, or pretend to be silenced. But I agree that voting for someone solely because they are silenced is somewhat scummy. Likewise saying the silence-issue isn't an issue at all is somewhat scummy aswell.

I almost forgot.
remove vote


Edit: removed the redundant 'will'

If there's some discernable reason that someone was silenced, then we can take it into account. Like UB possibly silencing BB as he picks up a little pressure to try gain some sympathy and earn him an extra day, or something similar. I just dont see how discussing whether or not the person who was just silenced is scum every single day will help us. There's no way we can tell and we'll just have the same argument every time someone starts posting pictures. In and of itself, being silenced really doesnt mean anything, since anyone can be targetted.

Crossposts - Gam that's pretty much what I was trying to get at.

Going out for a couple of hours, be back later.

This post has been edited by Tennes: 13 May 2009 - 12:28 PM

[Silanah]

Kessobahn, on May 13 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 13 2009, 08:13 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on May 13 2009, 01:06 PM, said:

I don't agree, I think it's a valid question to ask. I think we have to assume that UB or BB, at some point in the game, could silence themselves, or pretend to be silenced. But I agree that voting for someone solely because they are silenced is somewhat scummy. Likewise saying the silence-issue isn't an issue at all is somewhat scummy aswell.

I dont think you get what we are saying.
Of course we agree that the UB can silence himself...but just because some one is silenced is not enough evidence, actually its not evidence at all. Not by itself....perhaps later on we can deduce that someone perhaps silenced them selves...but sure as shit not now.

For korlat to say "i dont buy that Ehmur is silenced" is completely unfounded, why doesnt he buy it?
What exactly is he seeing that we arent?
What doesn't he ..."buy"
It just seems that he is trying to discredit emur without a scrap of evidence and it is strange to say the least.

See the above underlined text.

its not only becasue he is silenced....
He flat out says he doesnt "buy that he was silenced"...there is a slight difference.