[Shadow]

Meanas, on May 5 2009, 08:03 AM, said:

The next person I'm excluding is Gamelon, as except for his first post, they've all been about toing and froing with Ruse - not average to get involved/vote on the highest poster, and being the first to throw their vote on them.
The next person I'm excluding is D'riss, because, although he appears to have questioned distribution and mechanics, I think the Korv thing has been blown up out of proportion - which makes Shadow's support of it all the more interesting.

Of all that you've written, that's the most interesting. But probably not in the way you intend.

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Emurlahn, Serc and Tellan are also on the radar. And yes, I do realise how very subjective my analysis is.

It's also incredibly silly.

It's DAY ONE. And you're attempting to break things down by posting patterns? Looks like an attempt to make a hell of a lot of noise over nothing.

[Meanas]

I'm trying a new way of approaching Day 1. Other ways have been tried, and as we all know, they all tend to result in an inno death. Yes, of course, this could very easily be the same, but I don't believe trying something new is all that bad.

[Ruse]

Sorry Korv, after double checking with PS's post, I see you're voting for D'riss. That's why I was confused.

[Korlat]

Meanas, on May 6 2009, 03:10 AM, said:

I'm trying a new way of approaching Day 1. Other ways have been tried, and as we all know, they all tend to result in an inno death. Yes, of course, this could very easily be the same, but I don't believe trying something new is all that bad.

That's what she said.


Sorry couldn't resist

[Korvalain]

Ruse, on May 5 2009, 11:16 AM, said:

Sorry Korv, after double checking with PS's post, I see you're voting for D'riss. That's why I was (by my own words) a moron.

Fixed.

[Ruse]

"I'm a member of the moron squad." "You ARE the moron squad."

[Meanas]

A caveat: When I say I'm excluding someone, I don't mean I'm not considering them to be scum ever. I mean that I'm excluding them from the title of Mr/Ms Absolutely Average thus far - which was the point of what I did - the theory being that scum, at least some of them, would try to play this way on day 1.

[Korlat]

Meanas after all that I have to say that I agree with Shadow. Looking for patterns on day one is like looking for a virgin at the playboy mansion. To me it looks like you are helping the scum out by painting half of the players as not suspicious and the other half as very suspicious. Based on absolutely nothing. Right now I don't know whether to be more suspicious of the players that you eliminated or of yourself.


Edit: Cross post with meanas.

This post has been edited by Korlat: 05 May 2009 - 03:25 PM

[Meanas]

Korlat, on May 5 2009, 04:24 PM, said:

Meanas after all that I have to say that I agree with Shadow. Looking for patterns on day one is like looking for a virgin at the playboy mansion. To me it looks like you are helping the scum out by painting half of the players as not suspicious and the other half as very suspicious. Based on absolutely nothing. Right now I don't know whether to be more suspicious of the players that you eliminated or of yourself.


Edit: Cross post with meanas.

That's fair enough. I imagined that it was possible people might see it that way. I just got tired of all the "look! They've said something sort of kind of but not really suspicious", or "Ah, to hell with it, who's not here to defend themselves from a lynch? Let's get them!"

[Tellan]

Meanas, on May 5 2009, 08:10 AM, said:

I'm trying a new way of approaching Day 1. Other ways have been tried, and as we all know, they all tend to result in an inno death. Yes, of course, this could very easily be the same, but I don't believe trying something new is all that bad.

Are you the guy team scum carried to the end last game because you would point fingers at everyone? If you are I hereby nominate you for octopus of HHM. I can't vote it though I think I should. However, if I'm going to go based off last game...

Mockra, on May 5 2009, 03:01 AM, said:

I'm off now.

I've read up, and, tbh, it's all day one cases. Potential slips, and whatnot. I'm all for a lynch, but really I think you'll either get it or not without me, and I'm going to be back on in 8 hours anyway - so I can probably vote then, if a desperate hammer is needed, or something.

Night all.

This is classic scum/symp behavior in my eyes and tracks right along with last game. Basically, Mockra is saying okay you guys aren't pointing at anyone I know so feel free to mess it up and fight amounst yourselves and I'll jump on the train at the end like a hero.

Vote Mockra.

[Shadow]

Meanas, on May 5 2009, 08:10 AM, said:

I'm trying a new way of approaching Day 1. Other ways have been tried, and as we all know, they all tend to result in an inno death. Yes, of course, this could very easily be the same, but I don't believe trying something new is all that bad.

A huge bunch of lengthy cases makes sense after a couple of days worth of behavior to analyze.

On Day 1 ... it just looks like you're trying to deflect attention from someone or something. Makes me a lot more confident about my D'riss vote. Though I still think he'll come up Inno, as I see him as only a Symp.

[Meanas]

Shadow, on May 5 2009, 04:31 PM, said:

Meanas, on May 5 2009, 08:10 AM, said:

I'm trying a new way of approaching Day 1. Other ways have been tried, and as we all know, they all tend to result in an inno death. Yes, of course, this could very easily be the same, but I don't believe trying something new is all that bad.

A huge bunch of lengthy cases makes sense after a couple of days worth of behavior to analyze.

On Day 1 ... it just looks like you're trying to deflect attention from someone or something. Makes me a lot more confident about my D'riss vote. Though I still think he'll come up Inno, as I see him as only a Symp.

They're not cases. They're pattern analyses. I decided to show you all my train of thought because I felt you might actually consider it all more suspicious if I just came out and said "right, I did a bunch of stuff, and I came up with Shadow. Vote Shadow".

[Korvalain]

Personally I feel that Meanas tried something new, and will probably be lynched for it. Same as I would probably be, as this post could be seen as defending him. I'm not convinced by his lynch the average player, any more than I would be by a lynch the lowest poster of the day, thought. But I do appreciate the fact that he's trying.

[Ruse]

Ok, I'm off for now.

IMO I think its been an interesting day one, although long. My vote is down, but if things go down/change from this point, I won't be around to change it for several hours.

'till later.

[Korlat]

Meanas, on May 6 2009, 03:27 AM, said:

Korlat, on May 5 2009, 04:24 PM, said:

Meanas after all that I have to say that I agree with Shadow. Looking for patterns on day one is like looking for a virgin at the playboy mansion. To me it looks like you are helping the scum out by painting half of the players as not suspicious and the other half as very suspicious. Based on absolutely nothing. Right now I don't know whether to be more suspicious of the players that you eliminated or of yourself.


Edit: Cross post with meanas.

That's fair enough. I imagined that it was possible people might see it that way. I just got tired of all the "look! They've said something sort of kind of but not really suspicious", or "Ah, to hell with it, who's not here to defend themselves from a lynch? Let's get them!"

I understand that but looking for the average poster is the exact same thing as "hey guys lets eliminate the lowest poster, or Hey this guy has more posts then anyone and is spamming so lets lynch him." Now you did go about it with a little bit more thought then the people do the high poster and low poster attacks but it still comes down to the same thing. I am not critizing you just pointing out the errors. I totally understand what you are trying to do.

[Ruse]

Oh, for what it's worth, by the time stated on PS's last post I should be here for the end of the day, if we don't reach a lynch before then.

[Meanas]

Korlat, on May 5 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

Meanas, on May 6 2009, 03:27 AM, said:

Korlat, on May 5 2009, 04:24 PM, said:

Meanas after all that I have to say that I agree with Shadow. Looking for patterns on day one is like looking for a virgin at the playboy mansion. To me it looks like you are helping the scum out by painting half of the players as not suspicious and the other half as very suspicious. Based on absolutely nothing. Right now I don't know whether to be more suspicious of the players that you eliminated or of yourself.


Edit: Cross post with meanas.

That's fair enough. I imagined that it was possible people might see it that way. I just got tired of all the "look! They've said something sort of kind of but not really suspicious", or "Ah, to hell with it, who's not here to defend themselves from a lynch? Let's get them!"

I understand that but looking for the average poster is the exact same thing as "hey guys lets eliminate the lowest poster, or Hey this guy has more posts then anyone and is spamming so lets lynch him." Now you did go about it with a little bit more thought then the people do the high poster and low poster attacks but it still comes down to the same thing. I am not critizing you just pointing out the errors. I totally understand what you are trying to do.

Yeah, I do agree with you there. It is just about as subjective as those other methods, with a lot of danger of error. The only thing going for this method really is that it is true that often you do find one or more scum sticking in the middle group, the group which does a little, but doesn't stick their head out too much, on the first day. But yes, identifying one person out of a fairly large middle group is a lot of guesswork, in the end.

[Korvalain]

Meanas, on May 5 2009, 11:44 AM, said:

Yeah, I do agree with you there. It is just about as subjective as those other methods, with a lot of danger of error. The only thing going for this method really is that it is true that often you do find one or more scum sticking in the middle group, the group which does a little, but doesn't stick their head out too much, on the first day. But yes, identifying one person out of a fairly large middle group is a lot of guesswork, in the end.

Keep in mind that typically we do this on days 4 or 5. Look for people with little content and happen to be on most iff not all trains.

[Kessobahn]

Ruse, on May 5 2009, 12:45 PM, said:

Galain, on May 5 2009, 03:36 AM, said:

Why is this quest of "slips" anyways? Have we been so spoiled by the odd drunk killer? I hardly think that what was discussed about Ruse, Silanah, D'riss, Kessobahn and Emurlahn qualify as "slips".

Has there been a drunk killer tripped on day 1? I don't remember. :smileswaitingly:

yes. Bubba RP-ed a drunk and mentioned his partner's name Day 1 in the RD game.

we lynched him and his partner the next day, both came up scum.

I think it was the only time in the history of the Malaz mafia we've had a day 1 scum lynch.

ok, back to catching up...

[Telas]

Okay, I'm almost caught up, but I don't know when my modkill timer will wind down, so posting a placeholder. I actually have to go do a newspaper interview right now, but when I'm done that I'll return.