[Tiste Simeon]

God Hates Goths
Rapture Ready

Anyone else get really mad at this kind of thing? I am (as most of you know) a strong, devout Christian. I believe in the bible, I make the teachings of Christ a major part of my life and I wouldn't ever consider any other way of life. Yet stuff like this seriously annoys me. Because these are the "Christians" that make the news and headlines and stuff. Apparently both websites are actually serious, so people will look at this and think that this is what Christianity is about. It definitely isn't!!

Jesus told us that no-one knows the date of His return, except the father. So that rules out Rapture Ready, and all their supposed knowledge of when the rapture is going to happen (even though the bible doesn't explicitly state that the rapture will happen... It just mentions that Jesus will return for His followers!)

As to the "God Hates Goths" thing, I don't know where they get that from. They quote some verses about God despising witchcraft but that doesn't account for two things:
Firstly, God doesn't hate anyone. Not even emo kids. His love and salvation is for all! He wants all to come to him (1 Timothy 2:3-5) and the only thing he hates is sin. We are encouraged to love the sinner yet hate the sin.
Secondly, what happened to the Love and Grace that we are supposed to be showing to the so caled "outcasts of society"? Jesus instructed us to follow His example in this. He would have been talking to the goths, chavs and other interesting social cliques, not hating them because loose connections to satanism...

I guess I don't really have a point to this rant other than, to those of you who don't know much about Christianity: Most of us aren't like that! We genuinely give a crap about stuff, and aren't just raving fantatics who use the holy name of Jesus as a method of getting our retarded, bigoted views across. Jesus wasn't like that and neither should his followers be!
Yes, Jesus was a radical (maybe a discussion for another thread) but his message was most definitely not one of hate!

[Aptorian]

Ha ha ha oh this has to be a joke site...

http://www.godhatesgoths.com/news.html

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EVEN IKEA KNOWS THAT GOTHS ARE ROTTON TO THE CORE!



IKEA, the Swedish home and furnature specialists, have angered Goths all around the World with their new advertising campaign, which states that Goths are a bad influence on others. In their adverts they state that their "Brunkrissla" range "Brightens up your grad's dorm. Unlike a creepy Gothic roommate, who can be a bad influence". Now that's a slogan you can be proud of!

Let me just state that 'GodHatesGoths.com' would NEVER endorse IKEA's products, as they are from Sweden - Land of sodomy, beastiality, incest, perversion and homosexual rape. But in this case we say "Good on ya, IKEA!"

To find out more about IKEA's Anti-Goth Advertising Campaign, click on the image above.

To find out more about why God hates Sweden go to -

http://www.godhatessweden.com/

Hours of amusement in this place

[Gem Windcaster]

Seriously they make websites of that stuff now? It makes me angry, I would like to throw over some tables in their 'temple'.

Tiste, thanks for posting, you know I agree!


Edit: LOL Apt!

This post has been edited by Gem Windcaster: 01 May 2009 - 05:24 PM

[Aptorian]

If it wasn't for all the christianity poluting the place, I could really get behind a hate site based on the evil of Sweden.

[Eddie Dean]

I know what you mean Tiste. I'm a Christian and I get really angry with these idiots who spout religious nonsense. For some reason, common sense has taken its leave of absence in the world. God hates goths...thats beyond stupid.

[Cougar]

I certainly have to say that the links display a level of idiocy and understanding (as facile as my own is) of the bible and Jesus teaching which are at best, err...selective. I don't believe in god or any religion and a waver between pity and envy in equal measure for those who find such happiness and contentment from it. However, the basic contention that a being as complex as a god would be capable of anything as petty as human emotions, especially hate seems an entirely unlikely way to look at things.

This post has been edited by Cougar: 01 May 2009 - 05:44 PM

[teholbeddict]

You have a good point here Tiste, one of the things I can't stand about religion is the sheer amount of intolerance and hate that always seems to be involved. I find the idea of God hating goths just as rediculous as the idea that he hates homosexuals. I am a huge supporter of LGTB rights and the fact that many religions or people involved in organized religion tend to look at those people as somehow deserving of less than the rest of us human beings drives me nuts. I was raised in the Catholic faith and the unfairness of situations like that, along with intolerance, and hypocrisy I perceived were what made me turn away from religion in the first place.

I think if more individuals had the attitude of love and acceptance and overall good will that you do, people would have less of a problem with religion, God, Chrisitanity, whatever you want to call it. It's a shame that a few wackos put this type of thing out there and ruin things for the rest of people.

Just a question out of sheer personal curiosity. Would you say the Christian faith base as a whole is comprised mainly of individuals such as yourself or do you think there are a larger number of the type of people who form these silly groups? You're clearly heavily involved so I figure you might be able to offer some interesting perspective.

This post has been edited by teholbeddict: 01 May 2009 - 05:47 PM

[Gem Windcaster]

teholbeddict, on May 1 2009, 05:46 PM, said:

Just a question out of sheer personal curiosity. Would you say the Christian faith base as a whole is comprised mainly of individuals such as yourself or do you think there are a larger number of the type of people who form these silly groups? You're clearly heavily involved so I figure you might be able to offer some interesting perspective.

If I may tell you my opinion on that, I'd say that the majority is non-silly, but the silly groups always get alot of attention by the media, maybe because they seems to shout the loudest. That is why it is good that Tiste speaks his mind on the matter.

In Sweden, where I live, our socialist upbringing and the pentecostal movement in the previous century makes Christians around here a very tolerant group. I don't think I've ever even heard a Christian talk about hate in any form or other.

[HoosierDaddy]

Come to America, where Jesus' message is still being used as a reason to discriminate and hate (not entirely, but quite a bit) as opposed to bringing people together. It's quite sad, really, and I can never quite understand the attitude or mentality it takes to so thoroughly twist such a positive message. People only see what they want, selective hearing is what it is called I think.

Edited: 90% sure the Goth one is fake (God hates women?). Rapture Ready is probably 90% real.

This post has been edited by HoosierDaddy: 01 May 2009 - 07:57 PM

[teholbeddict]

HoosierDaddy, on May 1 2009, 02:30 PM, said:

Come to America, where Jesus' message is still being used as a reason to discriminate and hate (not entirely, but quite a bit) as opposed to bringing people together. It's quite sad, really, and I can never quite understand the attitude or mentality it takes to so thoroughly twist such a positive message. People only see what they want, selective hearing is what it is called I think.

Yes I would have to agree with Hoosier completely on this one.

[Macros]

Sweet baby!
They can't be real. I refuse to believe such stupidity exists in the world

[RodeoRanch]

Rapture's going to be pretty sweet. Think of all the real estate openings!

[Illuyankas]

That seems overly harsh to me. I mean sure, he's bitter and Polish, but that's no reason to make an actual website saying God hates him- oh wait, Goths? Aaaah. Nevermind then.

[Tiste Simeon]

Rep for Illy.

teholbeddict said:

Just a question out of sheer personal curiosity. Would you say the Christian faith base as a whole is comprised mainly of individuals such as yourself or do you think there are a larger number of the type of people who form these silly groups? You're clearly heavily involved so I figure you might be able to offer some interesting perspective.

The problem is now that so many things have been put under the term Christian. I have worked a lot in the States, and they have some really weird beliefs - "You can't be Christian, you drink alcohol." First of all, not one point in the bible does it say that we shouldn't drink. In some places it is encouraged... Getting drunk isn't, and I don't do that...

But the church overall has problems over here in Britain too... I mean most of them are wimpy wusses who wouldn't know conviction if it slapped them in the face. And Rowan Williams (the muslim who claims to be head of the Church of England) is perpetuating this philosophy that "You can do what you want" Which isn't Christian. We are called to love our neighbour, no matter who they are, but that doesn't mean we condone what they do... I do believe that homosexuality isn't right (and I know I am going to get flamed for this, but it's what I believe) but does that mean that I am going to shun my gay friends (and being in drama I have a few...) and condemn them at every point? No. Not at all. But so many people don't get that, and I guess homosexuality is an easy one to bash.

However there are a lot of loving, caring people who follow the Christian faith who are doing their best to share the love of Christ, and get on with living. I never got why there are so many "Christians" whose whole message is based around hate...

[Cougar]

Tiste Simeon, on May 1 2009, 10:23 PM, said:

Rowan Williams (the muslim who claims to be head of the Church of England) is perpetuating this philosophy that "You can do what you want" Which isn't Christian. We are called to love our neighbour, no matter who they are, but that doesn't mean we condone what they do... I do believe that homosexuality isn't right

I can't wait to see you tomorrow, we have much to discuss. I knew there was a reason I was looking forward to seeing you.

I suppose if you really do believe in the bible then there is no arguing about gays, it's right out it is quite clear. Same as murder and eating orangutangs on Wednesday (or whatever). But what about all the other stuff, I mean if you read Leviticus then shit, you can't do anything without pissing the big man off.

[Slow Ben]

"The problem with Christianity...is the Christians." C.S. Lewis

I seriously dont know how these people call themselves Christians. They're taking one of the most important teachings in the bible, love, and totally ignoring it and saying we should hate these people.

And since being saved is the only thing you need to be to be "rapture ready", that sight makes me shake my head.

And Cougar its Thursdays....Thursdays.

[Lisheo]

Hmmm. Couldn't resist taking a look at the God Hates Goths site... To be honest, I actually can't bring myself to believe it isn't just an elaborate joke.

[Thelomen Toblerone]

Cougar, on May 1 2009, 11:00 PM, said:

I suppose if you really do believe in the bible then there is no arguing about gays, it's right out it is quite clear. Same as murder and eating orangutangs on Wednesday (or whatever). But what about all the other stuff, I mean if you read Leviticus then shit, you can't do anything without pissing the big man off.

Yup, like wearing cotton-poly blends. That's a hellable offence, apparently. And that's why anyone who thinks the bible should be taken as (if you'll pardon the expression) Gospel truth is ever so slightly mad in my mind, as I just cant see why some of it you would take as strictly the word of God, and the rest of it you can ignore (the meat on friday thing, etc). Also the seemingly arbitrary compilation, with all sorts of denominations recognising different books as part of the canon, makes it a bit difficult to be sure what the Bible should actually be, so what counts as scripture. The overall message is good and I can respect it, people get bogged down in the details way too much.

[Shinrei]

I think we all bumble around for several decades, and then die and go to heaven. Everyone. I came to the conclusion that if God is the ultimate in love and forgiveness, then that includes everyone. He laid down some rules, but he's not going to exclude you even if you break them. If you don't believe in God, it doesnt matter. If you're Hitler, or a serial killer, it doesn't matter, you go to heaven too.

We live our lives as best as we can. As this discussion board has so aptly shown, God is beyond any sort of human logic or comprehension. This either causes individuals disbelief, or to believe in the 'impossible'. Truthfully, I think even Richard Dawkins upon death, once gifted with the site and understanding of God, won't refuse the gift just out of principle.

This is why I am not trying to convert my wife (Japanese) to Christianity. My children if we have any will be baptized, but I will not force them into anything. I've worshipped at Shinto shrines (praying to God though), and have had as close an encounter with a god of nature (in the Shinto tradition) as I could have ever hoped (which is a minor story in and of itself). I suppose I believe that Shinto gods exist and also that this doesn't conflict with my beliefs in God. The Bible states you will have no other gods, not whether they exist or not.

God doesn't hate goths. Or Gothos. And he'll forgive the goofy fundies their misguided idiocy.

Hmm, this is the first time I've ever put these thoughts into writing. Be gentle.

[Wry]

Thats a really nice thought Shin... Thats a god i'd want to exist.


Not too sure about Gothos going to heaven though...