[Tellan]

meh, i've said what I think about the finder situation.
it's unfortunate that we've had potentially outed two finders.

hopefully at least one of them's paired (not that I expect them to tell us if they are--in fact, for the love of God, DON'T!!! )

so now, whilst i'm still awake and waiting for a lynch and CF, I don't min joking around a bit.

[Telas]

Ok, I have a big drive ahead of me. I SHOULD be back on before deadline, but if the traffic is bad I may not.

My vote is in, and I'm comfortable with it for the time being. I'll be sure to do a thorough catching up ASAP.

Bye for now.

[Anomandaris]

I aint chanigng my vote yet, this stinks to high heaven and i want to digest it first. Also, should we not discuss who should be a target for a find tonight?

[Gamelon]

OK, two finder reveals, 1 scum by one finder. And a find on me, on which someone comments as well as on my alledged disappearance (answer to disappearance: I spent sunday afternoon ( after voting for Silanah) drinking beer and watching cycling, then watching my fav football team fail to secure the second place in their league (while getting even more drunk).

Now, on to what is really important: two finder reveals. I really hope you have a way to back up your claims (a code wouldn't be amiss), especially if you are solo finders. I hope either one or both of you have a partner. If so, at least something is salvaged from this. If not, /facepalm. Don't tell us though... (redundant warning )

Fener's reveal is easy to test: lynch Mockra. We're going to do that, so far, so good. We'll know the answer soon enough.

Don't know why Kesso revealed, I'm going to re-read that section now. I'd say this might be a royal fuck-up in the making if we do not have two healers.
So, how many more votes do we need to lynch? I have no qualms voting Mockra but if people want to discuss the finder reveals and possible angles more, I'll stay of my vote - will be around for the next 45 min.

edit: x-post with Anomandaris

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 27 April 2009 - 08:12 AM

[D'riss]

Well I am happy to vote for Mockra and I really hope he does come up scum, we need to hit one asap. I’d also appreciate a find on me.

I’m not sure how much I can be around today, although tonight (RL) should be okay. I'm in an awkward position. If I vote now and there is an embarrasing cross post then Mockra will be lynched without any more discussion, if I don't vote I'm the symp again. *Sigh*

[Anomandaris]

Gamelon, on Apr 27 2009, 09:04 AM, said:

OK, two finder reveals, 1 scum by one finder. And a find on me, on which someone comments as well as on my alledged disappearance (answer to disappearance: I spent sunday afternoon ( after voting for Silanah) drinking beer and watching cycling, then watching my fav football team fail to secure the second place in their league (while getting even more drunk).

Now, on to what is really important: two finder reveals. I really hope you have a way to back up your claims (a code wouldn't be amiss), especially if you are solo finders. I hope either one or both of you have a partner. If so, at least something is salvaged from this. If not, /facepalm. Don't tell us though... (redundant warning )

Fener's reveal is easy to test: lynch Mockra. We're going to do that, so far, so good. We'll know the answer soon enough.

Don't know why Kesso revealed, I'm going to re-read that section now. I'd say this might be a royal fuck-up in the making if we do not have two healers.
So, how many more votes do we need to lynch? I have no qualms voting Mockra but if people want to discuss the finder reveals and possible angles more, I'll stay of my vote - will be around for the next 45 min.

there is no way there are two seperate finders, its just ridicuolous. And insane finder isnt in the roles so one of them cant be nuts either. one is lying and i bet it is fener. lynching mockra is a must, but the fact remains that fener could book himself a ticket to the end game withthis play and still be a symp, as he will become the killer if mockra is evil

[Fener]

Wow.

Firstly, anyone questioning the quality of my reveal needs to realise that it was 3 in the bloody morning. And my sleep patterns are still shot, so I may not be much use today either. I'm pretty annoyed at the 4 votes I got after I said I was going to bed. Seriously, there was 12 hours left in the day. No rush, unless you were desperately trying to get me lynched before I came back.

Secondly, Kesso should never have had to reveal. My reveal was very straightforward and easy to test. Mockra comes up innocent, you will know absolutely 100% that i'm evil. That would clear all the players i've been attacking and put suspicion on the players i've been defending, directly or indirectly. So by proving my guilt, the game gets a hell of a lot easier for the innocents. Now, why on earth would I put myself in that position as a symp or killer? I die the next day, and my team is easier to target. I could have claimed to have found two innocents, and there would always be ambiguity no matter who you lynched (assuming i'm a symp. As a killer, my play was just nuts). The scepticism of my reveal is silly, given how easy it is to test. So Kesso, i'm afraid I think you got played. But not by me.

Thirdly, people are saying i'm a rubbish finder. Excuse me? I just found you a killer. That's my job. It's also my job to make a case on the player at the start of the day to assess reactions. It was a good case, Mockra was being wishy-washy ever since my day 1 case on him and very OMGUS'y today. Not my fault you all find the wrong things suspicious, or choose not to actually look at what i'm pointing out. The sooner you all realise that aggression does not equal guilt, the better. And frankly, i'm not particularly aggressive. The reactions to my case have been far more vitriolic.

Fourthly, why Gamelon on day 1 and Mockra on day 2? Anyone claiming that I was certain of Mockra's guilt on day 1 seriously needs to read the thread again. I made my initial, semi-serious, get-the-game-going case on Mockra, yes. And then I started looking at other suspects. Amongst them, Gamelon. Gamelon's wishy-washy reactions to my case looked bad to me. Then on day 2 Mockra went very quiet and agreeable. That's what lead my to the find on Mockra.

Fifthly, my find for tonight is going to be Kessobahn. I don't think he's likely to be evil, given his support of me, but we can't take the risk. If we both survive and he's evil, you all really need to know that.

Sixthly and finally, we need to use all our time today before lynching Mockra, to make sure that all night actions are in. If you're leaving and really can't be back for the lynch, put a vote on. If you're going to be around later, wait.

[Fener]

I'm going to be around until the end of the day, so

Remove vote

To let people who won't be back put a vote on.

[Ruse]

Kessobahn was the only thing that swayed most people, at least me, and you are going to waste a find on him? If you don't believe him, how can I believe him, which means I'm back to not believing you. Nobody believes there are 2 finders in this game, so if he's your paired buddy, what a dumbass game you guys are playing. Here's a hint if Mockra comes up guilty, Kessobahn gets PI for free dumbass.

[Gamelon]

Anomandaris, on Apr 27 2009, 01:12 AM, said:

there is no way there are two seperate finders, its just ridicuolous. And insane finder isnt in the roles so one of them cant be nuts either. one is lying and i bet it is fener. lynching mockra is a must, but the fact remains that fener could book himself a ticket to the end game withthis play and still be a symp, as he will become the killer if mockra is evil

Not to sure, it's the only explanation I can see. If they were paired they wouldn't shoot themselves and us in the foot like this.

@ Fener: yes, you may have found us a killer (let's wait for CF) - but you've been playing dangerously close to a lynch by pissing people off left and right... and as a result, you were nearly lynched, too - what if you didn't get a scum result yesterday? You would have been fucked and we would have lost a finder, likely, with no compensation at all. Even now, due to your earlier behaviour, some people are quite unwilling to buy it. See Ano above.

I'll be gone for a cup of coffee for 10 minutes, then back for 10. I'll vote then as I have a meeting coming up that I can't predict how long it will take me, could be 30, could be 120.

[D'riss]

Right

Vote Mockra

I really hope you are guilty or we have been totally played.


Edit: Cross post with Gamelon
Edit: Oh and Ruse

This post has been edited by D'riss: 27 April 2009 - 08:38 AM

[Fener]

Gamelon, on Apr 27 2009, 09:35 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on Apr 27 2009, 01:12 AM, said:

there is no way there are two seperate finders, its just ridicuolous. And insane finder isnt in the roles so one of them cant be nuts either. one is lying and i bet it is fener. lynching mockra is a must, but the fact remains that fener could book himself a ticket to the end game withthis play and still be a symp, as he will become the killer if mockra is evil

Not to sure, it's the only explanation I can see. If they were paired they wouldn't shoot themselves and us in the foot like this.

@ Fener: yes, you may have found us a killer (let's wait for CF) - but you've been playing dangerously close to a lynch by pissing people off left and right... and as a result, you were nearly lynched, too - what if you didn't get a scum result yesterday? You would have been fucked and we would have lost a finder, likely, with no compensation at all. Even now, due to your earlier behaviour, some people are quite unwilling to buy it. See Ano above.

I wouldn't have been even close to a lynch today if I hadn't pushed so hard for Mockra. Not many people suspected me yesterday. So no, i'd have been fine.

People are unwilling to buy it, but it's easy to test. And the idea that i'm Mockra's symp is laughable.

[Gamelon]

Fener, on Apr 27 2009, 01:40 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Apr 27 2009, 09:35 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on Apr 27 2009, 01:12 AM, said:

there is no way there are two seperate finders, its just ridicuolous. And insane finder isnt in the roles so one of them cant be nuts either. one is lying and i bet it is fener. lynching mockra is a must, but the fact remains that fener could book himself a ticket to the end game withthis play and still be a symp, as he will become the killer if mockra is evil

Not to sure, it's the only explanation I can see. If they were paired they wouldn't shoot themselves and us in the foot like this.

@ Fener: yes, you may have found us a killer (let's wait for CF) - but you've been playing dangerously close to a lynch by pissing people off left and right... and as a result, you were nearly lynched, too - what if you didn't get a scum result yesterday? You would have been fucked and we would have lost a finder, likely, with no compensation at all. Even now, due to your earlier behaviour, some people are quite unwilling to buy it. See Ano above.

I wouldn't have been even close to a lynch today if I hadn't pushed so hard for Mockra. Not many people suspected me yesterday. So no, i'd have been fine.

People are unwilling to buy it, but it's easy to test. And the idea that i'm Mockra's symp is laughable.

With the 'not sure, only explanation I can see' I meant the two of you being seperated finders instead of partners. The symp idea I don't buy, it would be ridiculously bad play.

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 27 April 2009 - 08:47 AM

[Gamelon]

Anyway, meeting is nearly upon me.

Vote Mockra.

[Fener]

This is what I make the current vote count, assuming PS's last post is right.


11 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

9 votes for Mockra: ( Kessobahn, Tellan, Emurlahn, Ruse, Telas, Barghast, Omtose, D'riss, Gamelon)
5 votes for Fener: ( Meanas, Mockra, Shadow, Anomandaris, Ampelas)

Players not voted: Galain, Korlat, Rashan, Serc, Fener

This post has been edited by Fener: 27 April 2009 - 09:01 AM

[Gamelon]

Fener, on Apr 27 2009, 01:49 AM, said:

This is what I make the current vote count, assuming PS's last post is right.


11 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

8 votes for Mockra: ( Kessobahn, Tellan, Emurlahn, Ruse, Telas, Barghast, Omtose, D'riss)
5 votes for Fener: ( Meanas, Mockra, Shadow, Anomandaris, Ampelas)

Players not voted: Galain, Gamelon, Korlat, Rashan, Serc,

make that 9 for Mockra, think you got caught in a cross-post

[Ruse]

Pretty sure it's 10.

Edit - NM it's 9 Kess voted him, removed vote, voted him again, tard-nation.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 27 April 2009 - 08:55 AM

[Ruse]

Fener, did you want a reveal and counter-reveal on the Day 1 lynch so you could you could use your find?

[Fener]

Ruse, on Apr 27 2009, 09:35 AM, said:

Kessobahn was the only thing that swayed most people, at least me, and you are going to waste a find on him? If you don't believe him, how can I believe him, which means I'm back to not believing you. Nobody believes there are 2 finders in this game, so if he's your paired buddy, what a dumbass game you guys are playing. Here's a hint if Mockra comes up guilty, Kessobahn gets PI for free dumbass.

Dumbass? Seriously?

Nobody believes that there are two finders in the game, right. Me neither. Hence the find. I don't care if Kessobahn is all that made you believe me (and if Kesso is what made you believe me, why do you not believe that there are two finders? The two views are mutually exclusive). Yes, Kesso will be PI when Mockra comes up guilty. I want him to be CI. Mafia paranoia at work.

[Fener]

Ruse, on Apr 27 2009, 10:05 AM, said:

Fener, did you want a reveal and counter-reveal on the Day 1 lynch so you could you could use your find?

Yes. Hence my annoyance at Emurlahn. If Liosan had revealed, and there was a counter, i'd have had a decent chance of being able to find a killer. Of course, they could have been a symp. But it was a better shot at a killer than picking out of 22.

Plus I thought that if Liosan had claimed finder i'd have known he was lying. Given Kesso's later reveal as a finder, clearly that was wrong, but I don't see how I could have been expected to know that.