[Kessobahn]

Tennes, on Apr 27 2009, 03:18 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on Apr 26 2009, 09:01 PM, said:

Ruse, on Apr 27 2009, 02:34 AM, said:

Isn't it kind of pretentious to lynch one guy cause the other guy says so and if we are wrong then "oppsie" we'll just lynch the other guy. I made a case on you. Are you comfortable with me saying guys I know it's Kessobahn and if I'm wrong well you can just lynch me tomorrow? It's a good way to narrow things down, but it really sucks for you doesn't it?

You're right. It's extremely pretentious. I'd be miffed as all hell if I was innocent and you were saying "Vote Kesso and if he's inno vote me next' but if you were absolutely convinced i was guilty i would understand your call.

fener has revealed finder and he did so right after your 'incoming finder reveal' because let's face it, that's a common tactic to use when almost voted out...

but fener has been far too aggressive on mockra today to consider this as some kind of last-second attempt to not die.

if you lynch fener today, you will not learn anything about him because i am 100% convinced he is not going to turn up guilty

How are you 100% convinced. This is Mafia I wouldn't be 100% convinced my own mother wasn't out to get me in a game of mafia. She probably would be knowing her.

/sigh

[Ruse]

Kess is pushing real hard all of a sudden.

At this point it could be anyone of the following for Fener;

He is RI, making a gamble his scumdar is on to stay in the game.
He is a finder, playing a crap game, getting outted on Day 3, but Mockra is guilty.
He is a scum killer scrambling to stay alive.
He is a scum symp pulling focus from his master's.
He is a scum symp and wants his master's kill (sadistic, but funny)
He is a inno symp/partner and is pushing his master's coded case.

Yeah, that about clears it up Ofc I realize some of those are far less likely than the others, I'm just starting at the beginning.

[Kessobahn]

okay, i cannot believe i have to do this, but time to let it ride

-I am a finder-

I have absolutely no idea if Fener is telling the truth about being a Finder, but I can state that Fener is innocent

i performed my find on Fener on night 1 (because he was aggressive day 1) after my 'drive by post' and completely missed night 2 due to RL.

i don't know what his game is, i have no idea how much of his statements are truth, but he is not guilty and lynching him is a terrible idea

i completely understand that this probably means i'm going to get killed tonight if fener is not lynched but consider that in the worst case scenario if fener is lying, you lynch Mockra today, Fener tomorrow, and me the next, and you've killed 2 scum at the expense of 1 inno lynch, 2 inno NKs.

i'm pissed i had to do this because it will kill me off too damn soon, but i'm certain you're going to lynch an innocent man.

[Kessobahn]

just clarification for above...

worst case scenario (for town) if fener and i are both lying is that you lynch 1 inno and 2 scum and 2 inno are NK'd. 3 inno for 2 scum is a damn good deal

[Omtose]

Oh for crying out loud! Now it's an even bigger mess! If this is true then Fenner has really screwed us! I'm going back to read over everyone's stuff.

[Ruse]

Remove Vote

I want some time to think it over. I'll take a find tonight Kess in case I was on the wrong side of the debacle.

[Omtose]

Okay the rules do say the finder role can be paired, so it is possible we have more than one. That being said though the pair would be able to communicate via PM so this mix up wouldn't happen. Which means one of you would be lying.

[Tellan]

ooh, I leave for a concert and things heat up, wow

oh well

first rule of finder reveals--lynch the person he points at to see if he's lying

that's Mafia 101

so
vote Mockra

supper time for me.

[Emurlahn]

Fuck 2 finder reveals? -.-

I hate relying on finder reveals this much, but,

remove vote
vote mockra

[Emurlahn]

I just realized:

If Fener is a lying killer, mockra is inno, and kesso is a finder, then we lose a finder and mockra in exchange for our killer. Not a terrible exchange, but I'd guess about a 1:4 scum:town ratio, which would make...what, 4 scum?

[Omtose]

Okay how many votes on Mockra now? We don't want to rush the lynch...I would like to look at the possibility that either Kesso or Fener is lying, because if they were paired they should be on the same page as to what they're doing, not confused by one another.

[Ruse]

If they are paired they should only get 1 find but both see the results, so maybe they are paired and Kess is just covering for Fener with a half-truth since he knew the results of Fener's finds. Also, if you are a finder Kess shame on you for not getting a NA in Night 2, finds are how we win the game. Two finders in a meat and taters game seems strong though, minus you two and the day 1 lynch you are clearing 10% of the population a night.

[Tellan]

Omtose, on Apr 26 2009, 11:05 PM, said:

Okay how many votes on Mockra now? We don't want to rush the lynch...I would like to look at the possibility that either Kesso or Fener is lying, because if they were paired they should be on the same page as to what they're doing, not confused by one another.

huh?

lol, Fener revealed finder.
Mockra didn't

saying "hold on, let's not lynch him, b/c it may be a fake-reveal is WIFOM and very suspicious.

like somehting a symp would say, knowing his master's asleep, and he wants to give him more time to switch his NK on one of the suspected finders, maybe?

IGMEOY, Omtose.

[Omtose]

No I have no problem with lynching Mockra, I just think we should discuss the situation of the multiple finders. Two finders revealing in a row deserve some discussion no?

Edit for correction

This post has been edited by Omtose: 27 April 2009 - 03:27 AM

[Omtose]

Emurlahn, on Apr 26 2009, 09:05 PM, said:

I just realized:

If Fener is a lying killer, mockra is inno, and kesso is a finder, then we lose a finder and mockra in exchange for our killer. Not a terrible exchange, but I'd guess about a 1:4 scum:town ratio, which would make...what, 4 scum?

Exactly this is why I said we don't want to rush the lynch we should discuss

[Omtose]

Tellan, on Apr 26 2009, 09:21 PM, said:

Omtose, on Apr 26 2009, 11:05 PM, said:

Okay how many votes on Mockra now? We don't want to rush the lynch...I would like to look at the possibility that either Kesso or Fener is lying, because if they were paired they should be on the same page as to what they're doing, not confused by one another.

huh?

lol, Fener revealed finder.
Mockra didn't

saying "hold on, let's not lynch him, b/c it may be a fake-reveal is WIFOM and very suspicious.

like somehting a symp would say, knowing his master's asleep, and he wants to give him more time to switch his NK on one of the suspected finders, maybe?

IGMEOY, Omtose.

In fact it strikes me as slightly suspicious that you suddenly appeared added nothing and voted mockra. So you just automatically took Fener's word and now you're pushing for a Mockra lynch. That might be something a symp would do too no? IGMEOY now!

[Ruse]

Vote Mockra

If it's true let's hope for 2 healers if there are 2 finders, this game will be over quick.

edit - since we are counting on our own, I believe that's 5.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 27 April 2009 - 03:52 AM

[Kessobahn]

Ruse, on Apr 27 2009, 04:11 AM, said:

If they are paired they should only get 1 find but both see the results, so maybe they are paired and Kess is just covering for Fener with a half-truth since he knew the results of Fener's finds. Also, if you are a finder Kess shame on you for not getting a NA in Night 2, finds are how we win the game. Two finders in a meat and taters game seems strong though, minus you two and the day 1 lynch you are clearing 10% of the population a night.

/shrug, can't help RL when I have 0 computer access for over 24 hours. Not like I can say, "NA 1, find Fener, after NA 1, if Fener is alive for NA 2, find so-and-so."

response to barg:

I really dunno anything about the legitimacy of fener's finding power. we are not paired. P-S said in the rules that "there may be paired versions of" roles like finder, guard, etc... so i have no idea how that would work for us having the same power.

[Kessobahn]

Oh, and obviously

Remove Vote
Vote Mockra

in case i forgot to already do this

EDIT: for some stupid reason i thought i hadn't voted... watching tv makes my brain go to mush

This post has been edited by Kessobahn: 27 April 2009 - 04:04 AM