[fan_83]

i got another question... why is it in the ending fight at alcatraz most of magneto's mutant pawn don;t display their power at all.. i mean its kinda pointless that htey are mutant and are being kebabed lest and right by wolverine adn even kitty manage to score some hits.. i mean where are their mutant powers

[Anomander]

Other than special effects, X-Men 3 was a huge let down. They absolutely ruined the storyline!

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First and foremost, no one was supposed to die. Jean does not kill Xavier, nor does she kill Cyclops. Her powers are that uber, it's true, but she doesn't kill any X-Men.

Secondly, where the hell did this "cure" come from? Leech never completely negated mutant powers without any effort (as far as I recall). And Mystique, Rogue, and ESPECIALLY Magneto never became true humans. Rogue was such a flake in this movie, she didn't even get her flying/super strength powers! That's somewhat understandable I guess, since Ms. Marvel was never in the movies, but still... to become a human? What a waste.

Third, where did Nightcrawler go? Did they just decide after the second movie, "Oh, we don't need him anymore, maybe the audience won't notice." What a crapshow, he was such a good character to have.

Forth, Juggernaut was never a mutant. His powers were magical, from a temple he discovered in a southern Asian rainforest. So Leech definitely shouldn't have affected him, and he also seemed to die. Like, what the hell?!

Fifth, Wolverine killed Jean! That was beyond ridiculous, I can't even begin to tell you the problems with it.

Sixth, I have to say it again, but Xavier died! I was utterly blown away that they would do that. Awful, simply awful.

Seventh, they didn't even use Angel beyond a daddy's boy. He could have been an awesome addition, but no, of course they couldn't possibly do him justice.

Eighth, no Gambit still. It had been said he would make an appearance, yet he was a no show. Mind you, then same could have been said of Omega Red. He was listed by IMDB as a character in the movie. I guess the new director decided to just omit him as well.

I could go on, but I think you all get the point.

Some things that I did enjoy though were Beast, the fact that the mutants in most cases used their powers immensely for once (the scene with Jean in the house as the Phoenix is an example of uber awesome power usage). And it was good to see Iceman completely own Pyro.

At any rate, I imagine I'll end up getting the movie, because it was pretty good. Well, good if you just took it for a completely new story. In terms of being a true X-Men story though, it failed utterly. Why Marvel let them butcher the story, I'm really curious.

[Tiste Simeon]

Some good points there Anomander. As to Nightcrawler,

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Apparently the actor didn't want to be in the film again.

Oh and I know I said it before, but wait til the credits finish to see the end. There is a small added bit at the end that makes it rather interesting...

[Tes'thesula]

Yeah, and you mean juggernaut, not collossus.

[Anomander]

Yeah, I was thinking as I typed it, "It's not Collossus...."

@Tiste, I heard about that end clip, and I'm still not appeased any.

[polishgenius]

The secret scene aside, I have to say... changes are not necessarily bad. It's a different version of the mythos, not a direct adaptation. A bit like the Ultimate (is it ultimates? the 'update') Universe for the comics. As long as they don't completely ruin the feel and idea it's all good.
That said, there were some questionable decisions, and I don't read the comics much. But the Xavier and Jean thing was okay.

[Tiste Simeon]

Anomander said:

Yeah, I was thinking as I typed it, "It's not Collossus...."

@Tiste, I heard about that end clip, and I'm still not appeased any.

Still I was quite excited about it. Does anyone know if they are doing any more films?

[Agraba]

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Dunno if this was mentioned, but Jean Grey doesn't have that inner potential; she was posessed by some strange outer space entity.

Also, the guys who made this film can just do what Marvel did tons of times: say "oh, this happened in another dimension, but here's what really happens, in this world". They did it whenever the characters got in a fix they couldn't possibly get out of.

Oh, and Anomander, if you stay after the credits, you see that Xavier has posessed that vegetable guy in the academy that nobody really cared about.

Yeah, so that was probably the least of the three X-Men films. Still my favourite out of all those crappy Marvel movies that have been released.

And dammit, I wanted the Lockstock (and Two Smoking Barrels) guy to have a better role. What happened to his trademark smashing a guy's head in a car door because he's super pissed routine? But he had to get foiled by a damned twelve year old girl.

I didn't like Xavier after that film. A girl in his class brought up a very insightful, and true point. And he just dismissed it by saying, "Dur, Einstein was never a mutant." Go to hell!

By the way, who else was really disappointed by that scene of Mystique's imprisonment in the truck? In the first scene, it shows the president. Then it shows a little girl, whom after playing innocent, gives the guard a death threat. Then, as if we had no clue, it gives that one last instant scene showing us that gasp, it's Mystique!!! Seriously, that one shot was a big insult to any viewer's intellect. It reminded me of the South Park scene where we see an alien receptionist with a wig, and once the characters leave, the alien takes off its wig and dramatic music plays, as if we just found out it was an alien.

By they way:

Phoenix vs Icarium, who would win?

[Asandir]

Tiste Simeon said:

Some good points there Anomander. As to Nightcrawler,

Spoiler

Apparently the actor didn't want to be in the film again.

Oh and I know I said it before, but wait til the credits finish to see the end. There is a small added bit at the end that makes it rather interesting...

X3.. Sooo so excited, yet left feeling totally demoralised. One must hope that Jet Li's Fearless will be good. SMan & Jack Sparrow trailers looked pretty good though but after X3 not taking any movie at face value


The following spoiler spares no love for the movie.

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Could you blame him . Who in all fairness would want to appear in that horse****. I rather have watched the cartoons. The plot writers drank one too many cups of coffee to come up with that crap. The only decent thing was the special effects. Logans healing powers in full force even though in reality he would have been melted down into a lump of adamantium.
@ Anomander... Juggernaut is a mutant, he just had his x-gene awakened through mystical/magical intervention. But as for the rest you more or less read my mind

[Tsundoku]

Regarding Juggie,

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No, he's not a mutant. I have the comic (somewhere) that he makes his debut in. He and Charles Xavier (they're stepbrothers who despise each other) join the army and fight in Korea. They find a ruined temple. Caine (Marko, the Juggie) finds and plays with a red gem (the contained power of the crimson bands of cyttorak - see Dr Strange for a full explanation) that has inscribed on it that anyone playing with it will become a human juggernaut. And whaddya know - he does! The temple collapses and Xavier (its ZAVIER, not Eggs-avier, stupid Yanks ) just gets out. Years later, Juggie tracks down Xavier at his new school, where he has Jean Grey, Cyclops, Beast (not blue then), Iceman and Angel. Can't remember if there were any others. Juggies' helmet protects him from psychic powerz so the XKiddies spend all their time trying to take it off so Xavier can fry Juggies' noggin.

Other than that, I thought the film had a lot of promise (for something that was cobbled together on the fly) despite having 3 changes of director, but the second half was complete shazbot. My thoughts echo Anos' and BADs' on this score - especially BADs' call about dumba*se Yank audiences needing everything laboriously pointed out to them.
It was basically a rush job at the end, because the studio was already committed to a release date when they were massively behind schedule. And boy, does it show. No, I didn't stay for the end bit after the credits, but thanks for letting us know.

Cheers,

La Sombra, old school nerd

[Illuyankas]

I was really annoyed at having the film spoiled for me (and before you say, "Just don't read the spoiler tags!" they were written on a huge picture and posted on an imageboard, the bastards) but, through disappointed, enjoyed the film somewhat, even with the hokey dialogue, character-shunning and silly plot. Magneto at the bridge was kickass.

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Incidentally, aren't Pyro and Juggernaut dead now?

But, back to BAD's 'American shots',

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The could have easily only had one line in the coda, and left out the reply completely for a better effect. At least it wasn't "But you're dead!"

And (as yet unmentioned spoiler):

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Anyone think that when all the 'cured' mutant's powers come back (and they will), something highly embarassing is going to happen to Rogue and Iceman later, during an 'amorous' moment?

[fan_83]

yeah.. middle of making out.. iceman goes ahhhh then arghhhhhhhhhh

that will do wonders for rogue's confidence...

but i am guessing its a temporary thing as rogue is supposedly more powerful than magneto who has got some pwoer left

on the other hand.. how do they put someone on the scale? is 5 open ended? is there a 6, would apocalypse qualify as 6 or 7.. what about charles? is he 4 then?

[Illuyankas]

I think Magneto and Xavier would be class 4, and 5 would be super-mutants, but look up Omega level mutants on Wiki for the comic's attempts at scaling.

[Dagger]

I went in with low expectations and found that wasn't even enough for the steaming pile that Ratner deposited on my feet. Plot holes so big that you could run the Golden Gate bridge through them, no emotional or philosphical underpinnings, characters acting totally out of character per their actions in X-1 and X-2, killings with no consequence or remorse - just to advance the shaky story, scenes just for the sake of special effects, I could go on for paragraphs. X-2 had gravitas, it had some meaning, it had a director that was actually trying to say something over than "look, I can blow stuff up".

I can stomach deviations from the comics. OK, Phoenix has a split personality, I'll buy that for the sake of the story. But (insert several lines of extreme profanity here, mostly concerning the director's preferences for farm animals, his parentage, the writers' ability to form a coherent thought let alone story-line) this was bad in so many other ways. The laugh lines fell just dead in a packed theater. No cheering, no laughter. Wolverine kicking the one guy between the legs got some laughs but even a cheap gag like that didn't create much of a stir in the audience. And how was Magneto just allowed to end up where he was at the end of the film, that made absolutely no sense at all. And you have the most powerful mutant in the world and all she does is stand there, in an ugly red dress, instead of telling what the opposition was up to. Oh by the way, having Famke Janssen, a 5'11" (that's two meters tall for you Euros) ex-model that can stop traffic, looking like a refugee from an explosion at the Red Dye #2 factory was pretty stupid. And for once, Halle Berry is actually doing a decent job of playing Storm and she's given lines worthy of a Michael Bay movie? This was really disappointing. By the way, in a final confrontation, how come Wolverine's pants stayed on? And what a waste of Rebecca Romjin as Mystique. Here's hoping she at least got a chance to kick Ratner in the stones before leaving the set. That, of course, is assuming he has a pair of stones, which I highly doubt.

[Mezla PigDog]

Got to say, I agree with all of the negative comments here. I'm gutted. It was the movie I was most looking forward to this year and it was embarrassing to watch. Juggernaut just made me cringe. It was worse than my worst possible imaginings when I saw Vinnie Jones had been cast. The only part I really remember enjoying was when Beast kicked ass at the end.

Still, a handy hint for when I establish my army of darkness. I will make sure I've got an army of expert tailors in my woodland hide out. Nice to see the baddies got Phoenix kitted out so quickly!

[Tiste Simeon]

Excuse me but I thought Vinnie was quite good as Juggernaut.

Tiste Simeon, Eternal Optimist of the Spotless Mind

[Illuyankas]

I'm glad he said "Don't you know who I am? I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!", that was funny.

Overall, I'd watch most of it again. I can't say I wouldn't skip parts of it, though.

[Tiste Simeon]

I'm the Juggernaut, Bitch!

[Anomander]

Spoiler

In answer to a previous comment that Jean becomes the Phoenix through the Star Jammers storyline. Yes, she does, however there was another telling of X-Men where she was born with those powers, the version without the Star Jammers and all the other space crap.

And Sombra was right, Juggernaut was never a mutant. The crystal gave him his powers, thus Leech should have had no effect on him.

Also, Xavier does as one point become the most powerful mutant of all. It only happens in the comics, but it took all the X-Men, the Fantasic Four, and a few other notables (I think) to take him down. I believe he was known as Onslaught when he was all uber powerful... I'd have to check on that though.

And yes, I'm pretty sure Pyro and Juggernaut are now dead.