[Zanth13]

Superman is like that kid who always tried to cheat or play unfair back on the school grounds "no, you cant beat me cuz cuz, I can fly, and shoot eye lazers,,, and no I cant be hurt cuz my skin is like steel, oh oh and I can FLY!!!"

cheap bastard...

Spider-man has always been a favorite of mine, loved the cartoon series/comic books and even the first two movies...

Big fan of the X-men also... since I was little, ive read the comics, watched the various cartoons, and enjoyed the first two movies...

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

And the whole thing where thee only thing in the world that can hurt him is kryptonite, which is really rare, but every baddy ends up getting some anyways because otherwise it would be REALLY boring. But then when he got "killed" that one time there was no kryptonite involved, but he still got the shit kicked out of him, which should have been impossible based on every comic ever up to that point.

[Optimus Prime]

Raymond Luxury Yacht;334718 said:

I'm looking forward to the Wolverine movie. He pretty much rocks, My only complaint is he's a little overpowered, but not too badly. Personality is rocking though.

The thing about Wolverine in the comics was...he may kick a lot of ass....but he always came out of a scrap with wounds and barely breathing. He's not invincible.

My main problem with the character in the movies was that Wolverine is supposed to be like 5'5 or something....not 6'2. I know, I know, I'm being picky but hey...I like my comic/fantasy movies as accurate as possible.

They did do a good job of making Cyclops annoying as hell though

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Yeah, cyclops is a douche. Isn't Wolverine practically invincible though? I mean, he can take damage, but it always heals, and his skeleton is unbreakable. Can he be killed? Drowned? Suffocated? I don't know.

[Optimus Prime]

Well did you ever read the comic where Magneto ripped the adamantium out of his body?!?! That was fucking awesome and he almost died. That was the X-Men comic at it's height IMO. Well...that and The Age of Apocalypse story. Bad ass.

It would take a lot to kill the guy...but it could be done. My point is that he's a scrapper. He isn't this perfect killing machine that does things cleanly. When you go toe to toe with Wolverine it isn't gonna be pretty for either side. He's....savage....to put it mildly.

[Aptorian]

Xander;334610 said:

X-Men 3 just jumped even further away from the "true" X-Men story, IMO. The acting was bad to horrible in places, and the ending was just....idiotic. You stopped the Juggernaut by him running into a wall after you "phased" through the floor??!?!?! He's the FUCKING JUGGERNAUT!!! Oh...and he's not a fucking mutant in the first place so he wouldn't be affected by any negation of Mutant abilities!

Spiderman 3 had that one abhorrent 20 minute span when he was "Bad Spidey". The whole scene where he's wearing black, dancing with that douche bag haircut, and generally being the lamest piece of shit ever was just unforgivable. I almost waked out...no shit. I also didn't like Topher Grace as Venom....Venom is a bad ass, not some skinny geekazoid. The rest of the movie wasn't bad but not anything remarkable.

/end rant

THAT'S NOT A RANT, THIS IS A RANT!

***WARNING*** SPOILERS ***WARNING***

Spiderman 3 and X-Men 3 both suffer from much the same unfortunate symptom. They both try to squeeze too much story into the film and kills it credibility, but Spiderman 3 is by far the biggest pile of fail of the two.

Spiderman 3 has not one bad guy, but three!

Sandman, who was always just a small fry supervillain in the comics, is suddenly a fucking powerhouse. He's able to fly, he's actually able to use other forms of earth than sand and he turns into a giant golem in the end of the film. He must be made out of a hundred tons of dirt and yet spiderman doesn't die when Sandman is hammering him again and again against an irongirder? WHAT THE HELL? What makes it to so frustrating is that Sandman who really didn't need to be in the film, is actually the most interesting part of the whole movie. Actor guy did a damn good job.

Harry Osbourn/Green Goblin is a fucking mess. While his scenes were some of the most awesome (flying razor bats are cool) the plot was made out of so much fail. Not really knowing what to do, the writters used the cheapest trick an author can pull. They based the story on omitting the truth. If Spiderman had just grown a pair of balls and told Harry he didn't kill his father and explained himself when Harry had amnesia, there wouldn't be a need for the fight. And if Mary Jane had just told Spiderman that Harry threatened Spiderman and his Aunt, then they wouldn't had broken off the relationship. Are we seriously to believe that she finds Osbourn so dangerous that she doesn't think Peter would just knock Osbourns head of his shoulders, if he threatened to hurt his family? The entire plot with Harry ruining Peters life was a load of bullshit that made no sense what so ever.
And then there's the fight in the secret room. HOW THE HELL DOES HARRY SURVIVE A HANDGRENADE DETONATING A FOOT FROM HIS FACE?! Yeah, yeah, he's got a scar afterwards, but seriously? SERIOUSLY? If he can survive a blast from a handgrenade, why can't he survive getting speared through the chest? HOW IS GETTING A CHEST WOUND MORE LETHAL THAN BEING BLOWN UP?! What's up with this bullshit.

Then finally we have Eddie Brock/Venom/The Suit. What. The. Hell?! The symbiot falls from the stars?! What... WHAT? IT'S VULNERABLE TO HEAT AND FLAMES FOR GODS SAKE! IT WOULD HAVE TURNED INTO ASH AND EMO TEARS IN A FALL THROUGH THE ATMOSPHERE!!! Then it crawls to Peters scooter and hides in his room for reasons we'll never know. But now is where the real crime occurs. The story of the suit, Peter using it and Peter trying to kill it happened over ten-fifteen books or something. Here they practically ignore its true effect. It's not able to form into clothes. It is how ever able to make it into a gay... sorry grey version of spidermans suit. WHY ISN'T IT JUST A BLACK SUIT LIKE THE ONE VENOM GETS!??! DO THEY THINK WE CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE?! We don't get to see how it makes him much stronger and faster. We don't get to see him fighting bad guys, etc. and being more violent than he usually would. Basically we don't see EVil SPIDERMAN, we see EVIL.... sorry, EMO PARKER. How do they portray him being evil? By making him wear black and having a Hitler Haircut?! WHAT?!! Then there's the dance scene and Peter slapping Mary Jane. I could dedicate two paragraphs alone to this subject, but suffice to say, everyone in the cinema was cringing at this part. It was terrible and I wonder why no-one in the cafe made a remark about Peter Parkers sudden super powers.

Eddie Brock was actually okay, I thought Topher Grace did a passably good job of playing psyco. But what was up with the suits power here? The suit drains a human beings blood to make web. So when Venom spins about a couple miles worth of tentacle stuff between the girders of the tower... how is Topher feeling? Venom of the comic books would had been unconcious or dead. And the death scene will cool looking was just bizarre. Harry Osbourn was able to survive a handgrenade to the face but Venom, who is much, much more durable, TURNS INTO NOTHING!?! WHAT? Not just Ediie Brock lying in a charred heap or anything. They actually wipe out Venom completely without any chance of him returning!? GRRHH.

Then there's Peter being so full of himself. This never happens in the comic books. Peter parker is never actually so lucky that he gets a parade. He's always hunted and down on his luck. It's what Spiderman is all about. And when did Mary Jane become such a god damn wuss? Why not just tell Peter that she was struggling? And why not let him have his day in the sun?! BLA BLA BLA WHAAAA YOU DON'T GIVE ME ATTENTION.... WWHHHAAA!. pfffh.

And Peters constantly losing the mask or just taking it off. Spiderman spends more time demasked than actually concealing his face. IT'S NOT A SECRET IDENTITY WHEN EVERYONE CAN SEE YOUR FACE! Stupid Hollywood and their need to show off pretty boy maguires emo tears.

EDIT: I nearly forgot. Harry is dying downstairs, bleeding out of his chest, but Peter has to go stop Sandman. What happens? Sandman and Spiderman has A 5 MINUTE LONG EMO SESSION CRYING ON THE ROOF.... AND THEN SANDMAN JUST FLIES THE FUCK AWAY?! WHAT THE HELL?! He's a murderer, he's killed god knows how many people and Peter just lets him go... what? So the last five minutes were a waste. 5 minutes he could have used to get Harry to the fucking hospital! If Spiderman is able to get Harry to the hospital when he practically dies in the opening of the film. WHY THE FUCK CAN'T HE SAVE HIM IN THE END?! SUNRISE MY ASS!

Then there's the other shitpile... X-Men 3.

X-Men 3 isn't nearly as bad as Spiderman, it actually earned some cool points for being gutsy. Actually killing off Cyclops and Professor X? Wow. Juggernaught and Phoenix were cool aswell.

But that's about where the awesome ends. This films main problem is that it isn't really a story. It's about 3 cool scenes and then a lot of filler. You have the Professor X vs Phoenix/X-men vs. Mutant Brotherhood fight. Then the forest battle thing where Wolverine is suddenly scared of people firing darts, and finally that stupid, stupid fight at alcatraz or where ever that took place. It's a mediochre film with poor story choices.

See, X-men has been running for about 50 years or something. That's decades and decades of great story arcs. Why did Hollywood then decide to throw Marvel history out of the window and just make shit up instead? What they're mixing together there is the Jean Grey/Dark Phoenix story arc with the governments attempt at controlling the mutant population. These two storylines do not mix. They just don't. One is a slightly realistic take on racism and fear in America - after all that is what Mutants in Marvelcomics is all about. The other is a story about a godlike mutant POWERFULL ENOUGH TO EAT A SUN! How do these two stories mix? Stupid fucking Hollywood.

And then there's the depowering of many of the mutants in the end. That's just lame. It's like they took House of M, a very controversial Marvel story arc, and then decided that could all be handled much better by the cure being an antidote taken from the body of a child and then thrown at the mutants IN THE FORM OF NEEDLES!!! BAAAH.

I think what actually broke my heart in this film was that they promised us Sentinels and we didn't get them. The opening is a training session in the Danger Room where a big AWESOME LOOKING MUTANT KILLING ROBOT is chasing them. Did we get more Robots? NO! WHY HOLYWOOD?! WHY?! Are we really supposed to believe that the government was going to fight mutants with soldiers and rocketlaunchers with needles? Why didn't they give us a dozen sentinels aswell? It would had been so sweet and it would actually had made the ending awesome.

Off the top of my head I can think of at least a dozen Marvel storylines that were so much better than what they used in X-men 3

- The Sentinel Program. Have something about the big robots being mass produced and waging war on the mutants. Make the twist that their programming is evoling and they're going to take over America.
- Apocalypse and the Four Horsemen. The most awesome mutant ever and some of the best stories X-men have had.
- Sinister and the Morlocks living under New York. Mutant Experiments, monsters, mutant progroms in the sewers.
- The island of Genosha and Mutant slavery. The Government of Genosha invading countries and stealing their mutants. Many of the X-men becoming slaves and dying in the civil wars of the african nation.
- The showdown with magneto on the big asteroid base in outerspace pitting the X-men against the Mutant brotherhood. Wolveine getting all the adamantium ripped out of his body.
- The Phallanx. Alien biologic nanomachine viruslike artificial intelligence out to consume the world.
- Legion, Professor Xs son, and the Shadow King. Too much awesome to be contained in one film.
etc, etc, etc.

[Zanth13]

Raymond Luxury Yacht;334741 said:

Yeah, cyclops is a douche. Isn't Wolverine practically invincible though? I mean, he can take damage, but it always heals, and his skeleton is unbreakable. Can he be killed? Drowned? Suffocated? I don't know.

In the Comic book Magneto rips the metal off his skelloten...

that "almost" killed him...

and it turned out that the metal was a poison so it took a majority of his healing factor to counter it... with the metal gone he was able to heal alot faster, and survive blows that would have probably killed him before... also it turns out he was born with the claws... they arnt just metal claws... but bone

hopefully the Wolverine movie keeps it straight and doesnt put a bunch of craziness in.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Zanth13;334752 said:

In the Comic book Magneto rips the metal off his skelloten...

that "almost" killed him...

and it turned out that the metal was a poison so it took a majority of his healing factor to counter it... with the metal gone he was able to heal alot faster, and survive blows that would have probably killed him before... also it turns out he was born with the claws... they arnt just metal claws... but bone

hopefully the Wolverine movie keeps it straight and doesnt put a bunch of craziness in.

Is this official or one of the crazy "what if" plots? I don't know why I've never read comics. I find them and their characters interesting, but find out about them secondhand. i am a weirdo.

[Zanth13]

cuz Apts post above is full of so much win that it needs to be mentioned seperatly...

very good points Apticus...you should get an honorary Doctorate for that post...

the Marvel movies have a bad habit of sucking on the 3rd.


@ RLY

it was a major marvel arc I believe, it started the entire onslaught series...(i think) its been awhile and i am outdated in X-mythology

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

That would make an interesting movie. How much backstory is there left on Wolverine that wasn't already covered in the movies? It seems like they showed wuite a bit of how he got started in the first one.

[Aptorian]

Oh yes. The ripping out of the adamantium and Professor X mind raping Magneto afterwards is possibly one of the most awesome parts of comic book history.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

That sounds like it could be the best superhero movie ever.

[Pig Iron]

Epic rant there by Aptorian. I couldnt stand any of the Spiderman movies. Spiderman is a favourite of mine, getting beat-up badly and always in the end coming out on top just barely. In the films he becomes some boy-band-teenage-girl-favourite.

[Aptorian]

Raymond Luxury Yacht;334771 said:

That would make an interesting movie. How much backstory is there left on Wolverine that wasn't already covered in the movies? It seems like they showed wuite a bit of how he got started in the first one.

The story of wolverine they showed in X-men 2 was really crap but it was close to how he was made.

But there's a lot more to it. There's two different versions of how Volverine became a part of the Weapon X project. One states that he was abducted and was transformed against his will, another claims that he volunteered. I can't recall if the discrepancy has been cleared up.

Basically Wolverine thought in the Second World war both as a soldier and as a spy. (There's a really cool story where an old sherif in Alaska remember a platoon leader looking like Wolverine killing an entire company of nazis with a bayonette) At one point he teamed up with Captain America. Then he became a spy/super secret agent working for CIA for a decade or two, working alongside Sabretooth, Maverick and a couple of other awesome supersoldier types.

Then there was an interlude. I can't remember if he first joins Canadas Alphaflight or he's turned into a supersoldier first.

There's also newer stories I haven't read where we find out that Weaon X actually mean he's number 10 and there's at least 10 other subects in the Weapon project.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

I guess there's plenty of story for the movie. If they do it right it could be very good.

[Aptorian]

According to some of the pictures I've seen, there's going to be world war 2 scenes in the film.

The best thing is going to be Deadpool having a role in the film. It's going to be awesome.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

That's the problem with all the old superheroes, they are all old as sgit. With some like Wolverine it doesn't matter because he doesn't age much, but a lot of those guys have had to be retconned into being younger or are just old, old bastards.

[caladanbrood]

AHA! So X-men 3 is only shit if you're a comic fanboy. Makes a lot more sense now:)

[Aptorian]

Even if you haven't read marvel and don't know the stories, are you really going to claim X-men 3 wasn't crap?

[caladanbrood]

VINNIE JONES!!:GA::GA: