[Tsundoku]

Jason Momoa as Lobo. Mentions it in the article.

[QuickTidal]

Tsundoku, on 12 December 2025 - 02:54 AM, said:

Hmmmmm ... ok ...



https://www.news.com...d01e4f19f8ef3f5

Carefully note a certain cameo that has them squeeing.

For anyone unaware, this is based on Tom King & Biliquis Evely's 2022 Supergirl comic SUPERGIRL: WOMAN OF TOMORROW, a singularly brilliant story that boils down to - Kara Zor-El watches her world perish, her family and friends and life die, and she cannot deal with the trauma. This is coupled with the fact that the baby she was sent to look after (Superman) is already grown up, does not need her, and is super famous already... It sends her into a spiral of alcoholism and self abuse...this culminates in an adventure with an alien girl whose world is also destroyed who wants revenge. It's almost entirely a space/alien adventure, and yeah the look of it is right down to the brown trenchcoat and snarky attitude. This looks like it was ripped right from those pages.

TL;DR: Think TRUE GRIT, in space.

spoiler about Krypto

Spoiler

The Dog lives, do not be concerned

[QuickTidal]

FUCK. YES. This just jumped to the literal tippy top of my anticipated 2026 flicks. Leaning hard into the 90's video game camp, bright costumes, garish sets, accurate character looks, and an almost Enter the Dragon vibe for the tournament. This was never going to work as a straightforward movie...but leaning into the camp, absolutely. Also, it's literally a period piece set in 1993. Chefs kiss.

Honestly, if all the fight choreography is good, this has a shot at being SOOOOOO good. That shot of Ryu roll-flipping the guy towards Ken who then kicks him through a wall? That shit would not be out of place in a Wuxia epic.



Also I want this to kick off a new Martial Arts film renaissance...

[Macros]

that actually looks fun

[Macros]

Needs more Kylie Minogue though

[Abyss]

Macros, on 12 December 2025 - 06:01 PM, said:

Needs more Kylie Minogue though

most things do.

[QuickTidal]

So I watched HOLIDAY INN (1942)....and no one told me.

I mean it's a bizarre as shit story anyways where Fred Astaire steals not one, but TWO women away from Bing Crosby and they treat it like no biggie...

But I hit the scene with blackface, minstrels ect. and it was like "Whoa!" out of nowhere. Like I realize things were viewed differently by white people back then, but my gods it was brutal.

Turned it off. I'll stick to WHITE CHRISTMAS....I guess there's a reason that WHITE CHRISTMAS is kind of a remake WITHOUT that shit in it...I never knew. I just thought I was getting an old Hollywood Christmas movie...hooboy.

[Tsundoku]

Different times, different values. That's history for ya.

[Macros]

Yes and no.

White Christmas and Holiday Inn were made 10 years apart?

Both still pre 64, and on the day to day maybe not a massive difference (in the US, I think we know Europe was a very different place)


Yes in that that shit got made then and it was a different time, but No because on some level, they knew.
Would they have walked into a black neighbourhood and threw that shtick on stage? Nope. Ask why enough times and they would eventually say because its fucking bullshit and wrong.

[Cause]

Did you enjoy Avatar back in 2009 but now it’s 2025 and you crave something fresh. So you ask yourself wouldn’t it be cool if I could use generative ai to recreate the film but different.

Now you no longer have to, because that’s exactly what avatar 3 is.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

 Cause, on 21 December 2025 - 06:00 PM, said:

Did you enjoy Avatar back in 2009 but now it's 2025 and you crave something fresh. So you ask yourself wouldn't it be cool if I could use generative ai to recreate the film but different.

Now you no longer have to, because that's exactly what avatar 3 is.

You may just mean that metaphorically, but Cameron made a public statement averring that no generative AI was used... if it's chintzy cheesy slop, it is pure derivative human slop.

Four hundred million dollar slop... oh wait that's actually less money than the Rings of Power season one cost (around 465 million... plus 250 million for the rights).

But he wants to use generative AI in the future:

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generative AI is a very powerful tool. We just need to tame it, and we need to use it ethically. So, I'm not an expert in AI. Like I said, I haven't worked with it so far. We haven't used it on the Avatar films, and that's pretty much all I've been doing for the last few years. But I'm very curious about it, and I want to see, it seems to me there are certain specific tasks within the VFX pipeline that are so mind-numbingly boring and repetitious, that those could be done by a gen model of some kind. And even if I have to help develop some of that stuff, because the big developers, the Googles and Metas and everybody, they're focused on public and business use, right? So, a lot of text-prompt models for text, and text-to-video models, and they're not focusing on the kind of tools that we need in the entertainment industry. We're just too small for them, ultimately, is what it boils down to. They think of having a constituency of eight billion people, you know what I mean? We're just too small a market.

So I think we're going to have to generate these tools ourselves, I'm very keen to figure out if we can bring the costs down using generative AI tools. Once again, within very specific guardrails that don't intrude on the artist, we don't intrude on the writer, we don't intrude on the actor, most importantly.

https://deadline.com...ash-1236651511/

[polishgenius]

I think it's important to differentiate using theft machines which is what most people think of when they say AI and using AI tools trained on their own work and specific data deliberately designed to get it to do a job, to do the busywork so they can focus on design and otherwise focus their time on creativity. Which is something that has been happening for a while.

Which, to be fair, he absolutely is.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

polishgenius, on 22 December 2025 - 04:27 PM, said:

I think it's important to differentiate using theft machines which is what most people think of when they say AI and using AI tools trained on their own work and specific data deliberately designed to get it to do a job, to do the busywork so they can focus on design and otherwise focus their time on creativity. Which is something that has been happening for a while.

Which, to be fair, he absolutely is.

It seems you're right:

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At the [2023] World Business Forum in Sydney (which UNSW Business School was an academic partner for) James Cameron shared insights into a multitude of topics

Mr Cameron said he has been using AI to assist with the production of films such as Avatar: the way of water, and is constantly experimenting with "a number of different flavours" in the process of making Avatar sequels and other movies. "We were using machine deep learning to generate algorithms that were speeding us up and giving us better work for the past eight years or so," he said. "I think that's not really bothering anybody."

More recently, he has been using AI to assist with pre-visualisation and imagining what a scene might look like as part of the storyboarding process – so it acts as an assistant to the creative process. "I think where people are freaking out is, does it replace the creative process?" he stated. "I think we just have to make sure that doesn't happen. We have to continue to ensure that the lived experience of an artist is still at the forefront in this work."

Generative models scrape data from all imagery that's ever been created, and while AI can sometimes "produce quite beautiful images", Mr Cameron said they're reflecting "our collective aesthetic, almost our collective unconscious, the way it operates in our dreams", he said. However, AI cannot reflect on the art and understand it the same way a creative human artist can.

https://www.business...-and-innovation

Yes, I'd been intending to elaborate on that viewpoint (generative AI, through its approximation of the space of possibilities implied by previous art, and of the associations of words with vectors and regions in that space, as a sort of communion with an emulation of humanity's "collective unconscious" as implied by all of the art that it's learned from) over in the Algorithms and Automation thread, which of course would be a better place to discuss it in detail.

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 22 December 2025 - 05:14 PM

[Abyss]

Azath Vitr (D, on 22 December 2025 - 05:00 PM, said:

... over in the Algorithms and Automation thread, which of course would be a better place to discuss it in detail.

Start following your own good advice Azath, this is becoming silly.

[Tsundoku]

Hmmm ...

[Abyss]

Tsundoku, on 23 December 2025 - 02:38 PM, said:

Hmmm ...
[Odyssey trailer]

I'm very on the fence about this. I could be wrong, but the impression it leaves is that while some weird stuff happens they're going for a gritty 'real' version without the more mythological elements... Circe, the Cyclops, lotus flowers, Scylla/Charybdis... of the story. Solid cast, but did anyone want a grounded version of one of the most legendary adventure stories ever told?

[Macros]

Hmmmm
If done right (see Gemmells Troy) yes

If done wrong then no.

[amphibian]

 Abyss, on 23 December 2025 - 04:03 PM, said:

 Tsundoku, on 23 December 2025 - 02:38 PM, said:

Hmmm ...
[Odyssey trailer]

I'm very on the fence about this. I could be wrong, but the impression it leaves is that while some weird stuff happens they're going for a gritty 'real' version without the more mythological elements... Circe, the Cyclops, lotus flowers, Scylla/Charybdis... of the story. Solid cast, but did anyone want a grounded version of one of the most legendary adventure stories ever told?

The Halmi/Assante one was quite decent for what it was at the time it was made.

I care less about the details of armor and more about whether there's an emotionally resonant core to the story and dialogue that isn't "mumble mumble mumble".

[Tsundoku]

... aaaaaaaand ...

[polishgenius]

Abyss, on 23 December 2025 - 04:03 PM, said:

Tsundoku, on 23 December 2025 - 02:38 PM, said:

Hmmm ...
[Odyssey trailer]

I'm very on the fence about this. I could be wrong, but the impression it leaves is that while some weird stuff happens they're going for a gritty 'real' version without the more mythological elements... Circe, the Cyclops, lotus flowers, Scylla/Charybdis... of the story. Solid cast, but did anyone want a grounded version of one of the most legendary adventure stories ever told?

This isn't actually true- they're going for the mythology, you see the Cyclops in the trailer.

I am, however, baffled that this is the trailer they chose to go with, it gets across none of that, so many people are convinced that it's as you said it is. Nolan's stated aim is to make something like Ray Harrihausen with a better budget and that's not coming across at all. It just looks dull.