[polishgenius]

I'm gonna spoiler this, because I'm pretty certain I'm bang on about at least some bits of this speculation:

Spoiler

There'll be a prequel segment, detailing the backstory between the Warrior, the Ice Queen and the Huntsman. That'll presumably involve the sisters competing for the magic mirror. Then there'll be a sequel bit, which I'm certain is as speculated with the resurrection because there's shots in the trailer that I'm fairly sure are that happening- the gold figure in front of the mirror, followed by a shot of Theron surrounded by scraps of mirror-stuff, also in front of the mirror. And later on, when she unleashes her birds, they're gold instead of the ravens they were.
There's a bit in there too with them poring over a board/map with castles on that suggests they're picking out magical kingdoms to take over/destroy, which makes it seem like there's plenty of space for them to work without going anywhere near Snow White's patch.

It'll be an odd structure for a film, but there you go.

[QuickTidal]

polishgenius, on 18 November 2015 - 07:12 PM, said:

I'm gonna spoiler this, because I'm pretty certain I'm bang on about at least some bits of this speculation:

Spoiler

There'll be a prequel segment, detailing the backstory between the Warrior, the Ice Queen and the Huntsman. That'll presumably involve the sisters competing for the magic mirror. Then there'll be a sequel bit, which I'm certain is as speculated with the resurrection because there's shots in the trailer that I'm fairly sure are that happening- the gold figure in front of the mirror, followed by a shot of Theron surrounded by scraps of mirror-stuff, also in front of the mirror. And later on, when she unleashes her birds, they're gold instead of the ravens they were.
There's a bit in there too with them poring over a board/map with castles on that suggests they're picking out magical kingdoms to take over/destroy, which makes it seem like there's plenty of space for them to work without going anywhere near Snow White's patch.

It'll be an odd structure for a film, but there you go.

Yeah, that's how I see it too...and frankly if they pull it off well and are able to salvage a franchise out of the debacle with the director and Stewart, then you could have a tidy little world to set movies in.

[polishgenius]

I find it well harsh on Stewart (they've said they've not actually cancelled the proper sequel, but that seems unlikely). But yeah. Hopefully this film is actually better than the first, which wasn't terrible but had a lot of missed opportunities.

Mind you, it did directly inspire a story I'm currently trying to write, so I'm glad it did miss them really.

This post has been edited by polishgenius: 18 November 2015 - 07:36 PM

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polishgenius, on 18 November 2015 - 07:36 PM, said:

I find it well harsh on Stewart

Meh, I have little-to-no sympathy for cheaters, on either side of the action...and in the long run a Hollywood studio can't monetarily hang a franchise off an actor who was in such a big media brouhaha...and to compound that, you've got Bella from TWILIGHT, the darling of a HUGE, MONSTROUS demographic...cheating on Edward (Pattinson was dating her at the time)...the fallout from that was probably (to those fans) immense. As far as the studio is concerned, that star had fallen WAY too far to salvage...added to the fact that she was a sore thumb for a lot of critics and reviews of an otherwise great B-movie...I mean it all adds up to her needing to go.

[polishgenius]

I'm not saying she did right, but she's hardly the first person on a film set to be caught cheating. The only reason she's been fired is the fans of an unrelated franchise freaking out. I mean, you understand the reasoning from them, but the whole way she was treated after it, in the media and by Universal, left a bad taste in the mouth.

I also think she's way harshly treated as an actress, but that might just be me. Her face is pretty immobile, but that's not all acting is.

The director is a different case coz of the distinct impression that he was using his position to take advantage of a much younger, and possibly emotionally vulnerable (both Pattison and her being fucked up by the Twilight thing) person. Whether that's what was actually going on in his head or he just fell for his leading lady, he should have known better and really had to go.

This post has been edited by polishgenius: 18 November 2015 - 08:26 PM

[Tiste Simeon]

I just think she is a horrendous actress and the film will do doubt benefit by not having her in it. I've honestly seen more expression from a plank of wood...

[worry]

Acting and having an affair are both hard, I commend her efforts on both endeavors despite the flawed executions.

[Morgoth]

I have come to realise I hate prequels. Was there ever a good one made?

[Tsundoku]

Reddit says no:

https://www.reddit.c..._great_prequel/

Except maybe Rise of the Planet of the Apes, Godfather 2 or Xmen First Class?

Apparently The Good, the Bad and the Ugly was a prequel?

http://www.popcrunch...ime/?img=148581

Googling "was there ever a good prequel movie" produced some lists with a few gems, but mostly dross.

[Aptorian]

Star Wars: Episode 1

[Tsundoku]

Apt, on 19 November 2015 - 08:28 AM, said:

Star Wars: Episode 1

You had to go full retard, didn't you?

This post has been edited by Tsundoku: 19 November 2015 - 08:32 AM

[Aptorian]

If you pretend that Jar Jar Binks isn't there I think it's a great film. I will never not love the opening of that film where we get to see two Jedi's actually fucking shit up for the first time.

[Tsundoku]

Oh, the basic premise of Palpatine using all that just to misdirect and get the top job? Awesome.

Everything else? Shit.

Yes I have seen the Phantom Edit and while it is FAR better with the subtraction of JJB, it's still more than a bit poodoo.

You just can't polish a turd.

This post has been edited by Tsundoku: 19 November 2015 - 08:40 AM

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Apt, on 19 November 2015 - 08:34 AM, said:

If you pretend that Jar Jar Binks isn't there I think it's a great film. I will never not love the opening of that film where we get to see two Jedi's actually fucking shit up for the first time.

For once I agree with Apt about a movie.

If you remove JarJar, and chop the podrace in half timewise...the rest of that film is GREAT, and very much a Star Wars film.

[Morgoth]

The Godfather 2 is not a prequel. X-Men first class is about as close as it gets I suppose, yeah.

As for Star Wars ep. 1, I disagree that the movie would be decent without Jar Jar Binks. Maybe if they cut the Gungans and the pod racing in its entirety, but then it's a very different movie, no? If a movie could be alright if you cut half of it, it is not a good movie no matter how you twist it.

I expect Apt to trott out his deluded theory that the prequels are reviled only because of nostalgia, but at the end of the day ep. 1 is a poorly paced, poorly written and poorly directed mess.

[QuickTidal]

Solid prequels:

X-MEN: FIRST CLASS (and DAYS OF FUTURE PAST counts too)

RISE and DAWN OF THE PLANET OF THE APES (arguably better than the originals)

CASINO ROYALE (say what you will, Craig's bond reset at the beginning of the Bond mythos...it's a prequel)

BATMAN BEGINS

THE HOBBIT: AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY (not the entire trilogy, but the first film is a GREAT film)

STAR TREK (2009...this counts too since it acknowledges the original series and characters in another universe)

INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM (yes, this was the second movie, but it IS a prequel since it takes place earlier in Indy's timeline than RAIDERS...bet some of you didn't know that?)

300: RISE OF AN EMPIRE (if you've not seen this, it's a blast and removes some of the Miller-esque pretention from the original)

HALLOWEEN (ReDux 2007)

MALLRATS (yep, also a prequel. The events in Mallrats preceed Clerks)

MONSTERS UNIVERSITY (while not better than the first film, it's a SOLID solid prequel)

UNDERWORLD: RISE OF THE LYCANS (funnily enough, this prequel is the 3rd film in the series and is EASILY the best of them all)

and I would have put PROMETHEUS on this list (because I enjoy it)...but I'm well aware that next to no one here likes it, so it would work against my point.

Oh, and Morgoth, GODFATHER PART II has enough elements in it that take place before the first film for it to be considered a prequel from a film narrative standpoint (it's listed as one in most places you look)

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 19 November 2015 - 02:21 PM

[Aptorian]

Morgoth, on 19 November 2015 - 01:04 PM, said:

I expect Apt to trott out his deluded theory that the prequels are reviled only because of nostalgia, but at the end of the day ep. 1 is a poorly paced, poorly written and poorly directed mess.

No, no, it's the other way around. The prequels are neither great nor awful, they're entertaining at times, disappointing at other times and generally mediochre as soon as the action ends.

It's the original trilogy that I think is no where near as good as people pretend it is. Nostalgia is the one strong suit that series has.

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Apt, on 19 November 2015 - 04:44 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 19 November 2015 - 01:04 PM, said:

I expect Apt to trott out his deluded theory that the prequels are reviled only because of nostalgia, but at the end of the day ep. 1 is a poorly paced, poorly written and poorly directed mess.

No, no, it's the other way around. The prequels are neither great nor awful, they're entertaining at times, disappointing at other times and generally mediochre as soon as the action ends.

It's the original trilogy that I think is no where near as good as people pretend it is. Nostalgia is the one strong suit that series has.

As someone who grew up with Star Wars and idolized it...when I ACTUALLY look at the OT in hindsight objectively, I fully agree that they aren't nearly what we all assume them to be. Maybe it's because of their simplicity? I mean there's not much meat to them. I truly believe that Nostalgia is a STRONG, STRONG factor in people's love of the OT. I mean ANH is a very basic tale with minimal simplistic dialogue and cool fights and ideas. That's really it. They are not the second coming....but to a child version of me they were incredible.

[Mezla PigDog]

Tiste Simeon, on 18 November 2015 - 09:16 PM, said:

I just think she is a horrendous actress and the film will do doubt benefit by not having her in it. I've honestly seen more expression from a plank of wood...

Never underestimate how much emotion can be conveyed by mussing up your hair and frowning a bit.

[D'rek]

As always, I agree with Apt in regards to SW. Phantom Menace was awesome, and all the things people like to slam it for started in Return of the Jedi (and they happened in RotJ because Empire Strikes Back got so much negative backlash). Phantom Menace not only continued the successful trends from RotJ, but it did them with better effects, better choreography, more showing of the actual relevance of the plot, and just generally more fun! (Also, less slave bikinis.) It is only in hindsight now that everyone seems to wish that TPM had been some sort of Star Wars:Blade Runner serious adult movie, when the OT was never like that and no one in 1999 wanted that, either.

(Also, why do all the people who look back so fondly on the OT refuse to admit that Han Solo is supposed to be a stupid character. Why do they keep trying to make him seem smart and heroic when his lines aren't even close to written that way...? You can still like a character without them having to be a positive role model in every way.)