[Gamelon]

Well, I'm in and out, but now I'm more curious to hear from Rashan and/or Ampelas

[Meanas]

Right, I've caught up. It's safe to say there's things going on that we don't know about. We still haven't found evidence of FM, although there are definitely some strong mechanics in play. But the safest route is to assume there are an FM around. The number of Sabbat we have found so far would seem to indicate they are the cult, unless I have completely misunderstood. Anyway. Fener has some points about Anomandaris, but it could very well be caution that is the reason for his play, as already suggested. The way I see it Ampelas might have been caught with the hand down the cookie jar. If he has something more to say about his supposed vig I would like to hear what that is. Not sure which way is the best to go right now. I would like to dig some more.

[Mockra]

OK, finally have some time.
I see we lynched Korv and his alignment was not what was expected, but he wasn't town, so its all good, though I am disturbed about the inconsistency between the reveals and the Cfs.

Have only been able to skim through.
I can see how the Ano case has merit and Ampelas's contradictions make him rather suspect. So I think I have missed something, can something clear up why we want to hear from Rash exactly?

[Fener]

As far as I understand, and I could be wrong,

Ampelas said PS told him he had a 'FM BP', and Rashan said PS told him he has a 'possession BP'.

At least that is what I understood, and since FM's have not been confirmed on-thread as existing (even though there is supporting evidence), people think Ampelas is lying about his role.

[Mockra]

Fener, on Apr 20 2009, 11:00 PM, said:

As far as I understand, and I could be wrong,

Ampelas said PS told him he had a 'FM BP', and Rashan said PS told him he has a 'possession BP'.

At least that is what I understood, and since FM's have not been confirmed on-thread as existing (even though there is supporting evidence), people think Ampelas is lying about his role.

Ok, I must have read it wrong, from what I recall on thread, both Ampelas and Rashan have claimed to have Possession BPs.

Ampelas claims to have also gotten confirmation from the mods that it is protection from the Fm and that his has been used.
Rash on the other hand claims the mods refuse to say anything about whether or not there is an FM or not.

From my point of view, I dislike the way Ampelas is contradicting himself and I am pretty sure the mods would not have confirmed for him that Fm exist.
So either the mods have fucked up badly, Amp is lying or Amp has missunderstood what he was told.

[Fener]

wow 7 anons and noone but me and mockra are posting.

[Mockra]

I would assume that at least one or two are catching up.

[Ampelas]

Hi everybody.

*Hi Dr. Nick*

I'm back. There seems to be a lot of confusion about my reveal. Hopefulyl this will clear some of it up.

First, I said day/night vig, because in this game day is night. The vig was only usable during the 4 hour period of Mafia night, which is being referred to as day. Second, FM BP was not the terminology used in the role PM. It was the response to my question regarding possession BP. Third, if Barghast's find was indeed correct and Korv started Camarilla, it is entirely possible he was BP, in which case I hit him, and the mods did say they caught my change and smacked Korv. Thus, since he must have been BP, I still had no reason to think him Anarch and voted him. Turns out I was right and the Sabbat are down another recruit. I agree however that it was completely ridiculous for the Sabbat to recruit him, unless they were simply trying to discredit Barg and make him an easy lynch target. By that token, the only one who's been seriously pushing Barg's lynch for the last little while ?3 days? is Rashan.

[Ampelas]

Mockra, on Apr 20 2009, 05:24 PM, said:

I would assume that at least one or two are catching up.

Sorry, that was me

[Emurlahn]

OMG. My head is spinning. Tbh, I don't know what to think anymore. Or what to believe. I was expecting to come on and get blasted by Barghast, I was sure he was scum - I'm not even sure why, just made my neck itch - epic fail! And yet again I miss all the excitement. My crazy idea about Telas being forced to commit suicide might not be so crazy after Fener was put under a 'spell'. I know Telas was scum, but doesn't stop him being targeted - does it? If that is a possibility perhaps we should look out for... …haha, I was going to say out of character behaviour - yet another redundant comment from me. *Sigh* I have no ideas at the moment. Do you think all 'spells' would be so obvious…and what is the point of them? I mean what good does it do making Fener refer to Goodkind…other than wind him up obviously. Gah, it probably doesn't even matter.

Clearly Amp has some questions to answer. But I'll be totally honest I have no cases of my own. I have to read through everything that happened today again, as there have been loads of posts and it's a lot to assimilate. So I am here, but trying to concentrate - you'll probably hear the cogs turning wherever you are!

Edit: Cross posts, which I will now read!

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 20 April 2009 - 09:33 PM

[Mockra]

Ampelas, on Apr 20 2009, 11:28 PM, said:

Hi everybody.

*Hi Dr. Nick*

I'm back. There seems to be a lot of confusion about my reveal. Hopefulyl this will clear some of it up.

First, I said day/night vig, because in this game day is night. The vig was only usable during the 4 hour period of Mafia night, which is being referred to as day. Second, FM BP was not the terminology used in the role PM. It was the response to my question regarding possession BP. Third, if Barghast's find was indeed correct and Korv started Camarilla, it is entirely possible he was BP, in which case I hit him, and the mods did say they caught my change and smacked Korv. Thus, since he must have been BP, I still had no reason to think him Anarch and voted him. Turns out I was right and the Sabbat are down another recruit. I agree however that it was completely ridiculous for the Sabbat to recruit him, unless they were simply trying to discredit Barg and make him an easy lynch target. By that token, the only one who's been seriously pushing Barg's lynch for the last little while ?3 days? is Rashan.

Then can explain your comment about the FM, did the mods tell you whether there was one or not? Or did you assume this?

[Gamelon]

Ampelas, on Apr 20 2009, 02:28 PM, said:

Third, if Barghast's find was indeed correct and Korv started Camarilla, it is entirely possible he was BP, in which case I hit him, and the mods did say they caught my change and smacked Korv. Thus, since he must have been BP, I still had no reason to think him Anarch and voted him.

But what "reason did you have to think" he was NOT Anarch? He was under the spotlight because of Driss' find on post styles, hinting he could be the FM. If he was BP and you got "targeted for possession" the night before, you personally had no reason to suspect him.

Or was there something else I missed?

[Ampelas]

Mockra, on Apr 20 2009, 05:34 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Apr 20 2009, 11:28 PM, said:

Hi everybody.

*Hi Dr. Nick*

I'm back. There seems to be a lot of confusion about my reveal. Hopefulyl this will clear some of it up.

First, I said day/night vig, because in this game day is night. The vig was only usable during the 4 hour period of Mafia night, which is being referred to as day. Second, FM BP was not the terminology used in the role PM. It was the response to my question regarding possession BP. Third, if Barghast's find was indeed correct and Korv started Camarilla, it is entirely possible he was BP, in which case I hit him, and the mods did say they caught my change and smacked Korv. Thus, since he must have been BP, I still had no reason to think him Anarch and voted him. Turns out I was right and the Sabbat are down another recruit. I agree however that it was completely ridiculous for the Sabbat to recruit him, unless they were simply trying to discredit Barg and make him an easy lynch target. By that token, the only one who's been seriously pushing Barg's lynch for the last little while ?3 days? is Rashan.

Then can explain your comment about the FM, did the mods tell you whether there was one or not? Or did you assume this?

Well, if I'm BP from them I'm fairly certain that they'd be in the game. Otherwise, why would I need that BP?

[Ampelas]

Gamelon, on Apr 20 2009, 05:36 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Apr 20 2009, 02:28 PM, said:

Third, if Barghast's find was indeed correct and Korv started Camarilla, it is entirely possible he was BP, in which case I hit him, and the mods did say they caught my change and smacked Korv. Thus, since he must have been BP, I still had no reason to think him Anarch and voted him.

But what "reason did you have to think" he was NOT Anarch? He was under the spotlight because of Driss' find on post styles, hinting he could be the FM. If he was BP and you got "targeted for possession" the night before, you personally had no reason to suspect him.

Or was there something else I missed?

Ever since he'd been fingered he'd been getting overly defencive and was setting off red flags on my mental scumdar. I don't suppose its really something that can be articulated, but we all have gut feelings. And its not like I hammered him off it, I simply left a vote, which was like vote 2, and expected to be back before too long to see what had occurred. I'd never hammer someone off gut, I'd expect to see some evidence. Still, I think my scumdar is working today, because, whaddya know, he was scum.

[Mockra]

Ampelas, on Apr 20 2009, 11:37 PM, said:

Mockra, on Apr 20 2009, 05:34 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Apr 20 2009, 11:28 PM, said:

Hi everybody.

*Hi Dr. Nick*

I'm back. There seems to be a lot of confusion about my reveal. Hopefulyl this will clear some of it up.

First, I said day/night vig, because in this game day is night. The vig was only usable during the 4 hour period of Mafia night, which is being referred to as day. Second, FM BP was not the terminology used in the role PM. It was the response to my question regarding possession BP. Third, if Barghast's find was indeed correct and Korv started Camarilla, it is entirely possible he was BP, in which case I hit him, and the mods did say they caught my change and smacked Korv. Thus, since he must have been BP, I still had no reason to think him Anarch and voted him. Turns out I was right and the Sabbat are down another recruit. I agree however that it was completely ridiculous for the Sabbat to recruit him, unless they were simply trying to discredit Barg and make him an easy lynch target. By that token, the only one who's been seriously pushing Barg's lynch for the last little while ?3 days? is Rashan.

Then can explain your comment about the FM, did the mods tell you whether there was one or not? Or did you assume this?

Well, if I'm BP from them I'm fairly certain that they'd be in the game. Otherwise, why would I need that BP?

Because maybe the mods wanted to mess with you, like ment told us, not all of the roles will be used, so making you possession BP, having possession as part of the night actions and then not adding it into the game is something I can see ment doing just to get us chasing our tales.

Regardless this line of thought is getting us nowhere as I have assumed since day 1 that we have at least 1 FM running around. I would even go so far as to throw a possible second one, why? Because the V:tM System had many clans with disciplines that would someone to impersonate someone else.

[Gamelon]

The other thing that bugs me:

If you're immune to something, the mods usually don't warn you about attempts being made, so that part of your story I also don't like.


But then again, that might vary from mod to mod.

[Fener]

Gamelon, on Apr 20 2009, 04:42 PM, said:

The other thing that bugs me:

If you're immune to something, the mods usually don't warn you about attempts being made, so that part of your story I also don't like.


But then again, that might vary from mod to mod.

Wait, I'm confused.

Did he claim to be immune to possession, or have a BP against possession? Normally a mod WILL tell you when you lose a BP.

[Gamelon]

Fener, on Apr 20 2009, 02:45 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Apr 20 2009, 04:42 PM, said:

The other thing that bugs me:

If you're immune to something, the mods usually don't warn you about attempts being made, so that part of your story I also don't like.


But then again, that might vary from mod to mod.

Wait, I'm confused.

Did he claim to be immune to possession, or have a BP against possession? Normally a mod WILL tell you when you lose a BP.

I made a comment about that, and he said he clarified was immune.

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 20 April 2009 - 09:47 PM

[Mockra]

Fener, on Apr 20 2009, 11:45 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Apr 20 2009, 04:42 PM, said:

The other thing that bugs me:

If you're immune to something, the mods usually don't warn you about attempts being made, so that part of your story I also don't like.


But then again, that might vary from mod to mod.

Wait, I'm confused.

Did he claim to be immune to possession, or have a BP against possession? Normally a mod WILL tell you when you lose a BP.

Glad I refreshed before posting, otherwise I would have looked stupid for crossposting

I agree with Fener.

EDIT: damn it! Crossposted anyway

This post has been edited by Mockra: 20 April 2009 - 09:47 PM

[Fener]

Gamelon, on Apr 20 2009, 04:46 PM, said:

Fener, on Apr 20 2009, 02:45 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Apr 20 2009, 04:42 PM, said:

The other thing that bugs me:

If you're immune to something, the mods usually don't warn you about attempts being made, so that part of your story I also don't like.


But then again, that might vary from mod to mod.

Wait, I'm confused.

Did he claim to be immune to possession, or have a BP against possession? Normally a mod WILL tell you when you lose a BP.

I asked him to clarify, and he said he was immune.

Hrm.

That right there is wierd.