[Telas]

Ruse, on Apr 19 2009, 12:17 PM, said:

... What?


Anyways, Telas, chose your town target and vote.

Then convince the scum to follow you. That was your plan, no, convince them that town is a bigger threat than expected and to unite?

Hopefully this whole thing will make the rest of the game both hilarious and easy

I am not a complete fool you know. But I will do this

Vote Omtose

WIFOM City here I come.

[D'riss]

OK, I've found something that has made me change my mind.

I decided to look at Peanutbutta's posts from the last game, to check if they matched up with Silanah's. And lo and behold, what did I find but that his style actually matches up better with Korvalain's! Here is a sample of a few posts from the Mexican standoff game (Peanutbutta was Kessobahn):

Kessobahn, on Apr 15 2009, 05:43 PM, said:

tough-break :

very small chance they are working together (hostage/gang leader know each other maybe based on scene description?), so with only 11 real votes left in the pool, we need to dump 7 on one of them or put 8 on someone else to ensure a lynch...

but Meanas has a point that we may not want to rush lynches because nights are probably going to be good for the bounty hunter as it is

Kessobahn, on Apr 15 2009, 07:21 PM, said:

i see Serc and 4 others lurking and i am lonely

Kessobahn, on Apr 15 2009, 08:13 PM, said:

Serc, on Apr 15 2009, 08:05 PM, said:

Ok, I missed tthat point. I thought you said he would avoid any train. Which, Emurlahn, if you think about it, he would pretty much avoid ALL successful trains, due to us mostly all having to agree on a lynch prior to the vote.

what about a 7-6 vote split? this means we have to lynch vote Rashan or Tellan, which seems rough because they are hit because 'lol didn't fully read rules' but it also means we'll have the killer narrowed down to basically one-of-six or seven people.

(he votes with train, votes split 6-6-1 nobody is lynched but we know he is in the majority group of seven; alternatively votes split 7-5-1, lynch is successful, and we know he's in the minority group of six) that's cutting the number of suspects in half each night, not counting any other stuff obviously

Kessobahn, on Apr 15 2009, 08:19 PM, said:

yeah good point, just pick and lynch and see what happens at vote 7

You will notice that in all these posts, there is no punctuation at the end. This is a pattern that crops up very often in Peanutbutta's posting.

Now let's look at some Korvalain posts from before last night:

Korvalain, on Apr 18 2009, 04:29 PM, said:

Just stepping in to get a bit caught up before I head off to work

D'riss, on Apr 18 2009, 10:02 AM, said:

Having gone over the stuff I've missed, the first thing that struck me as odd was Korvalain following Korlat and then immediately removing again. Set off some rather loud alarm bells in my head. The only thing that makes me pause is that it's so blatant a symp clue...but the case on Liosan was a nothing case, as far as I can tell, no way an inno would look at it and think it was worth following.

Okay, I thought I explained this earlier, but I'll do it again. Korlat's case, in the order that s/he presented it, at the time, seemed like a fair case and we didn't have anything else to go on at the time. There were 7 or so people on at the time, I figured why not join into the train and get the discussion going (generally a single vote on someone gets far less attention and discussion then 2 or more). But since in the next 5 minutes no one said a word and 4 people left the thread, I spent the time going back and looking over the posts more in-depth. In context and in order, they faired a lot better and I didn't think the case was so strong anymore, nor did I want that vote which I was no longer confident of hanging around for the following 8 hours while I slept, so I removed it.

And of course, now that people have been on and discussed Lio's case better, the poorness of the case on him is now blatantly apparent

(Note penultimate paragraph)

Korvalain, on Apr 18 2009, 02:52 AM, said:

Korlat, on Apr 17 2009, 09:41 PM, said:

Did you steer the conversation just so you could post that picture?

Nope. Actually I just spoke random stuff in a stream of word jumblebumbledeeness. And when it ended with zombie pac man and no one said anything, I thought, why not go get a picture? Google being my midnight lover, I found one and then went ot he Inn to find the denotivator generator and made the captions myself!

Silanah, on Apr 17 2009, 09:45 PM, said:

Fener, on Apr 17 2009, 09:42 PM, said:

Why does Hood's Path keep showing up and then leaves without posting anything?

I've seen this probably 4-5 times now since the game started, FYI. We all know that there are frequent lurkers playing this game and maybe Hood's Path is just forgetting to LOG IN ANONYMOUSLY, but the simple fact that we KNOW he's lurking is what makes is so disconcerting.

I think HP is not saying much because he is new (I *think* this, not stating, mods note don't ban me plz) and afraid that he will say something he thinks is very innocent and fine adn we will psychoanalyze it and lynch him in a matter of minutes. Not that that would happen, but it's a trypical thing to be afraid of when you start out and all


Sry we skare you HP! We not rly goin eet you!

Korvalain, on Apr 17 2009, 07:28 PM, said:

Meanas, on Apr 17 2009, 07:22 PM, said:

Fener, on Apr 17 2009, 08:13 PM, said:

So I admit to being a Masquerade noob.

I thought Anarchs, Carmilla, and Baali were clan names. Am I mistaken?

No, they're faction names. Clans are sortof what vampire 'race' you come from, whereas faction describes your political allegiance and view on how vampires should act. So like the gangrel are beast-affinitied vampires (clan) but could belong to the camarilla or anarchs type of thing.

And thus we don't have names... our names are our alt-names

Korvalain, on Apr 17 2009, 07:20 PM, said:

Fener, on Apr 17 2009, 07:13 PM, said:

So I admit to being a Masquerade noob.

I thought Anarchs, Carmilla, and Baali were clan names. Am I mistaken?

Yeah, I think you are mistaken. Sab and Carm seem like vampire "nations", with Anarch a little monastary in the empty land in between (so like a mini-nation), while Baali are some sort of underground black magic cult (not in the mafia sense!) that nobody likes and operate underground either in the nations or outside of 'em

Clan is like bloodlines or something. The ones in the OP were Giovani, Tremere and Tzimizce - apparently mages. Maybe meanas can tell us if clans are exlusive to a certain nation or if they cross borders. The clans have specialties and of course pertain to certain abilities, so if someone had a "Fireball" day ability they'd be one of those 3 mage clans, etc etc


edit: X-post and I'm totally wrong. Haven't gotten that far in Meanas' assigned readings yet!

As you can see, there is a similar lack of punctuation at the end of paragraphs. And yet when I look through Silanah's posts, I find nothing of the sort. Plus, some of the confusion Korvalain displayed (didn't know the IGMEOY acronym, voted and then quickly removed on Liosan's case, etc.) matches up well with him being a new player.

I'll put the analysis of Korvalain since the lynch in a new post, because I'm going to have too many quotes otherwise. But in the meantime, I will switch my vote.

Remove Vote
Vote Korvalain

[Ruse]

D'riss, stop creating fucking monsters that can't exist, that's scummy

Good shit, me like.

[Ruse]

If Korvalain is currenly containing the FM, then we should lynch him tomorrow (Telas today).

I don't think a FM could switch in one night, or barring that two nights in a row.

[Omtose]

Sorry telas but insane finder can't work in a game with essentially 4 different sides. A FM is a VERY plausable reason for silanahs change in CF.

[Anomandaris]

Ruse, on Apr 19 2009, 12:25 PM, said:

If Korvalain is currenly containing the FM, then we should lynch him tomorrow (Telas today).

I don't think a FM could switch in one night, or barring that two nights in a row.

I have to disagree with that. I think if we have the FM pinned down, then we take our chances and get him now. I'd hate to let him slip through our fingers on the chance he could get two in a row. I think I need to reread what D'riss has found though.

I'd also like to point out, we should disregard everything Telas says as Finds.

[Omtose]

Basicly we must ignore everything telas says untill he finds scum.

[Path-Shaper]

it is Night 3, 16.5 hours left

18 people still alive Ampelas, Anomandaris Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Korlat, Korvalain, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Telas, Tennes

takes 10 votes to lynch or 9 to go to day

1 vote Korvalain (D'riss)
1 vote omtose (Telas)
1 vote Gamelon (omtose)
7 votes Telas (Korvalain, Anomandaris, Gamelon, Ruse, Rashan, Emurlahn, Barghast)

[Telas]

Omtose, on Apr 19 2009, 12:29 PM, said:

Sorry telas but insane finder can't work in a game with essentially 4 different sides. A FM is a VERY plausable reason for silanahs change in CF.

If theres an FM Ment needs his brain checked. In the poll we voted on the next game - Ment said slightly more complex game - multiple scum groups vs. town.

He also said TMDI 6 which would be about right for 3 scum factions and one town faction.

This would be a TMDI 8 or 9 if he threw in a fucking FM so I say bullshit, there is no FM and Town can recruit.

[Anomandaris]

Omtose, on Apr 19 2009, 12:32 PM, said:

Basicly we must ignore everything telas says untill he finds scum.

What? No, we ignore everything Telas says. It would be the easiest thing in the world for him to say, "Oh look xxxx is scum". We lynch them, turn out to be Anarch. We are then forced to lynch Telas.

Giving the scum teams two nights to do their mischief. Thats a lose lose for us.

[Ruse]

Anomandaris, on Apr 19 2009, 06:31 PM, said:

Ruse, on Apr 19 2009, 12:25 PM, said:

If Korvalain is currenly containing the FM, then we should lynch him tomorrow (Telas today).

I don't think a FM could switch in one night, or barring that two nights in a row.

I have to disagree with that. I think if we have the FM pinned down, then we take our chances and get him now. I'd hate to let him slip through our fingers on the chance he could get two in a row. I think I need to reread what D'riss has found though.

I'd also like to point out, we should disregard everything Telas says as Finds.

Well, that's also true. Honestly, if the FM just became Korvalain, I don't think he could escape tonight, but indeed.

For Telas, I'm just afraid he has something in his sleeves for tonight, although it seems to be shaping as him really having finds and revealed to warn his team about a town recruiter, now realizing he fucked up

So, I'm game for either.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 19 April 2009 - 04:40 PM

[D'riss]

Korvalain, on Apr 19 2009, 03:54 AM, said:

Telas, on Apr 18 2009, 10:44 PM, said:

I just want to make sure I don't get NKed with that info and my team gets recruited right from under thier noses

If you wanted to really help your team you'd have said that you did the finds on Silanah without mentioning you were not Anarch. Your scumteam would know and you'd have the same likelihood of being day-killed as with this reveal, but without the lynch threat. So, instead, I think you made this all up and revealed you're not an Anarch because you want to try and give it the deadman-talking's boost of credibility.

Not sure what your objective here is, maybe you're Sabbat and you guys can recruit, but with Liosan gone you're on thin ice so you want to shift focus onto Baali and Cam while Sabbat boost's its ranks with recruits? You think that if people believe there's a town-recruit they will shift focus to the killers and Sabbat will win since there isn't and never was a town-recruit?

I have underlined the hyphenations that Korvalain uses in this post. Silanah had a similar affectation.

Exhibit A: from his run through of Serc's posts (I have removed most of the post, as it was irrelevant).

Silanah, on Apr 17 2009, 04:31 AM, said:

Then he just RPs for a long string, doing a semi-joking finger-pointing at Meanas:

Exhibit B: an observation about Fener.

Silanah, on Apr 17 2009, 03:08 AM, said:

This struck me as slightly odd in a quick perusal...

Fener has 4 posts each one a one-liner, kind of like he's lurking the conversation but doesn't want to add much. Probably nothing, but I thought I'd point it out.

Exhibit C:

Silanah, on Apr 17 2009, 05:10 PM, said:

Korvalain, on Apr 17 2009, 12:07 PM, said:

Morning everyone. About to go start catching up, but this caught my eye:

D'riss, on Apr 17 2009, 04:57 PM, said:

The other option, I guess, is that someone has an ability to make another player's vote not count. I still think it's probably more likely that there's a player on the train whose vote didn't count though.

Oh god! Another vote-rigger!!! We must find Matt Parkman!

Seriously though, one of the actions in Ment's list was possess. If that action is indeed in the game, could that be it?

When you read my post right above yours, you'll note that I stipulate it's simply not possible to determine if vote-changing is in the game based on the limited information we have from one turn.

Exhibit D:

Silanah, on Apr 17 2009, 06:12 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Apr 17 2009, 10:09 AM, said:

Hmmm. Interesting night you guys had there. Well, I don't know what was going through Tellan's mind, but good God, he's kind of nuts. I also can't imagine why 12 didn't kill, but to whoever said it I agree a non voter seems likely. And so, I will pull out my hammer of wrath and

remove vote
vote Tellan

Now I must step out for a couple hours but I'll be back probably before next night.

Here's the hammer vote. If the 4-hour day timer starts from this point, we need only 1 more hour before Night resumes.

Exhibit E:

Silanah, on Apr 17 2009, 06:42 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Apr 17 2009, 01:38 PM, said:

Silanah, on Apr 17 2009, 01:33 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Apr 17 2009, 01:30 PM, said:

Interesting, I think I understand where FM is coming from, so who do we need to hunt the most? I'd say the Carmillai? Then the Baali and Sabbat? Or does the recruiting take precedence over the shifting forms of the Baali.

I disagree. I think the Baali and Sabbat are the more dangerous because the scene very heavily indicates that people will be getting recruited over (the Sabbat) and the recent discussion leads me to believe that the Baali can possess.

If anything I'd say
Sabbat Leader AND Baali > Camarilla > Sabbat rank-and-file

Note: I will not lose any sleep if we kill Camarilla early. Let's face it, there's very little to help us determine who belongs to which faction.

I see. I guess I don't quite understand the likely threat level of the Carmilla? You listed them as tough mofos, whaddya think we're looking at power wise?

Truth is, if the Camarilla know each other, it's going to be very difficult to beat them if they have night kills and maybe some BP aspects, especially if we spend 3-6 days lynching off Baali and Sabbat (because we're probably going to keep clobbering Anarchs in the mix). But the simple fact that the Baali and Sabbat can help turn the tide in their favor is what makes me feel they are the bigger up-front threat. The Camarilla have to survive long enough to have a voting majority, and it's very likely that when the game is getting tight that you'll only have one of them left who must try to stay hidden while night-killing off survivors.

New Korv has been leaving punctuation gaps at the end of his sentences every now and then, which you would expect of a careful FM. But the hyphenations match him to Silanah, and the lack of punctuation at the end of paragraphs matches Old Korv to Peanutbutta, who was CFed as Silanah. Fits with my theory quite nicely .

[Anomandaris]

Telas, on Apr 19 2009, 12:34 PM, said:

Omtose, on Apr 19 2009, 12:29 PM, said:

Sorry telas but insane finder can't work in a game with essentially 4 different sides. A FM is a VERY plausable reason for silanahs change in CF.

If theres an FM Ment needs his brain checked. In the poll we voted on the next game - Ment said slightly more complex game - multiple scum groups vs. town.

He also said TMDI 6 which would be about right for 3 scum factions and one town faction.

This would be a TMDI 8 or 9 if he threw in a fucking FM so I say bullshit, there is no FM and Town can recruit.

I'm pretty sure there was a quote pointed out in the opening scene which implied a FM which is what we're basing our evidence off. Also there is the Possess ability listed as one of the actions. That strikes me as an action of the FM, possession.

[Ruse]

Barghast, on Apr 19 2009, 06:41 PM, said:

Yes, I was thinking maybe we could lynch Telas after he finds scum, and if he is inno, we lynch the find. But maybe that's not a good idea as it seemed in my head. :Surprise:

If we lynch Telas and he is inno, we lynch him again.

[Ruse]

Well, D'riss' case is complete, and I'm quite convinced Korvalain is currently a FM. Awesome work there.

Question is, who we get first? We know the Korv-FM is not Anarch, because of Silanah's Sabbat find.

Unless this whole thing is a massive set-up or something, but I tend to see Telas as a honest scum who fucked up trying to do good for his team.

[Ruse]

Anyways, I have a meeting now. I'll be back way in time before end of night.

Still,

remove vote
vote Korvalain