[Rashan]

Im going offline soon if anyone wants to discuss anything for today..

[Ruse]

Rashan, on Apr 19 2009, 01:14 PM, said:

If he reveals finder, he is a threat to scum so scum kill him..
Screw it, if you guys want to speed lynch and have nothing to go on tomorrow, fine by me..
I will be pushing my Barghast case tomorrow if anyone even looked into it, it seems everyone is tunnel visioned right now
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Vote Telas

A threat to scum?

So if tomorrow Telas says "good news guys, X is scum" we'll lynch X?

Anyways, I don't want a speed-lynch if that's what annoys you. I just got annoyed at the couple of players starting to vote around.

[Rashan]

Ruse, on Apr 19 2009, 11:18 AM, said:

Rashan, on Apr 19 2009, 01:14 PM, said:

If he reveals finder, he is a threat to scum so scum kill him..
Screw it, if you guys want to speed lynch and have nothing to go on tomorrow, fine by me..
I will be pushing my Barghast case tomorrow if anyone even looked into it, it seems everyone is tunnel visioned right now
Remove Vote
Vote Telas

A threat to scum?

So if tomorrow Telas says "good news guys, X is scum" we'll lynch X?

Anyways, I don't want a speed-lynch if that's what annoys you. I just got annoyed at the couple of players starting to vote around.

If Telas said someone else was scum, we look into it and lynch Telas for still being alive..
Its going to be a speed lynch now, cant do anything about it
I do still want to hear from Barghast though

[Mockra]

Omtose, on Apr 19 2009, 12:13 PM, said:

Ill admit my first instinct was to lynch telas. But i never felt such urgency as what gam seemed to have. And i felt that his big show at why we should lynch telas immediatly was excessive. He REALLY wants telas gone. And i feel it could very well be because he fears that telas can harm his side. I don't think telas is an immediate threat to anyone other than the scum. Even the scum on telas's own team apparently don't know he IS on their side. He admitted this is why he had to say he was scum. :-)

Ok, looked at this, looked back, am not sure where you get the idea that Telas doesn't know his partners. As far as I can tell he just can't comm off thread with them.

Secondly, I am a little worried about people advocating we let the scum finder live for another day in the hopes he will get NKed. Now really that seems simplistic to me.

Lets look at what Telas has told us, Silanah came up Sabbat and Liosan came up Sabbat.

We have CFs for both: Silanah was Anarch and Liosan was Sabbat.

Now if Sil was in fact Sabbat, that means that there is a good chance he is/was our FM. One of the Sabbat clans can shape flesh and bone, so one of them being an FM makes sense. On top of this, standard FMs require one night to study the victim, then jump on another night.
As for the Liosan find well, I would just like to add that killing could also be construed as 'finding'.

Now if Telas has been telling us the truth, I think his CF will come up Cammarilla.

Now those my thoughts on him and his reveal, as for why I would like to lynch him, well its simple. He can pull and play with us as he wishes, should we decide he is harmless and not worth lynching, yet and If you can't figure how he will manage this well, I can explain it nice and slow for you.

[Rashan]

If Sil was a FM, do we assume Telas is the new FM and has been stiring up random things?
Ive been thinking that his cf will be Cam too... he talks about helping his team alot and I assume that the other 2 factions might be smaller.

[Rashan]

Well im off, seems people are just lurking anyway

[Anomandaris]

Rashan, on Apr 19 2009, 07:39 AM, said:

If Sil was a FM, do we assume Telas is the new FM and has been stiring up random things?
Ive been thinking that his cf will be Cam too... he talks about helping his team alot and I assume that the other 2 factions might be smaller.

Eh what? We can safely assume the FM (if there is one) isn't Telas. Why would the FM get himself lynched and reveal himself on thread? Hmm Rashan see I am suspicous of you, but sometimes I wonder if its your not following things here...

Well I think he will be Cam as well. Sabbat have lost two, they're the cult and I doubt they'd have a Finder. There were only meant to be two Baali right, I doubt one would give up like this, or in fact be the Finder, so I imagine he's Cam.

[Emurlahn]

Rashan, on Apr 19 2009, 12:44 PM, said:

Well im off, seems people are just lurking anyway

Just read this and - for god's sake. You can't read and post at the same time you know. And if you get called away then there's not much you can do about it.

I'm still trying to make any sense of Telas. And I can't, so

Vote Telas

I'm still wondering if he is being forced to get himself lynched. I can't imagine which talent would enable that, and I know it's a stupid idea - hence the vote. But I still think the whole thing is screwy.

[D'riss]

Morning everyone, I'm going to go and have a look at Silanah's posts and see if I can identify any tells.



EDIT: Spelling

This post has been edited by D'riss: 19 April 2009 - 01:38 PM

[Hood's Path]

Based on the logic spelled out, I pretty much believe that it makes no sense to keep Telas around. Whatever info s/he might continue to feed us is suspect and scum will likely stay put if they know we're just going to lynch him anyways (and not trust whatever info he comes up with).

As Rashan said, he's only a bad lynch of he's a lying anarch.

vote Telas

[Hood's Path]

If Tellas is telling the truth, he's probably using what's called "Auspex" from the game. This discipline is stronger in certain clans as outlined here such as Ventrue and Gangrel.

Please remember that clan does not necessarily indicate Cam or Sabbat. There are plenty of "antitribu" in the Sabbat who hale from traditional Cam clans. Only baali are baali.

And just for fun, here's some info on our apparent bloodline:

Children of Judas
"Nobody loves me. Everyone hates me... almost as much as I hate myself. But they'll all be sorry when I'm dead. And even sorrier when I come back!" The Children of Judas embody the monomaniacal self-loathing, narcissistic, morbid, emotional desolation of those doomed to suicide. And they're more than willing to share. Where these Kindred go, they travel on black wings of desolation and death follows with them. Both mortals and kindred can fall under their destructive spell. For some mortals this may mean simply slipping quietly into the dark night of oblivion, for others it can mean trying to die only to discover themselves waking to the curse of everlasting unlife! For kindred it may mean little more than a walk in the park. In daylight.

Parent Clan: Daeva

Disciplines: Auspex, Despond, Majesty, Resilience

[Omtose]

Right...so i am back. I can't understand some of you... Actually it does make some sense that there would be resistance to keeping a finder around. Even if it is a scum finder. There seems to be allot of narrow minded opinions floating around. Firstly...and most importantly. We have a scum reveal. Even if we choose to not believe his reveal. There is no denying it that telas IS scum. We OBVIOUSLY want him dead at some stage. Some of you seem to think (or at least want everyone else to think) that we who don't mind keeping telas around, that we trust him and don't ever want to kill him. Bla bla bla... Which is utter bullshit. I don't think he is telling us the whole truth. But i do think if he is a finder... Scum or not, because of the dynamics of this game (3 scum groups competing against one another) that it can be beneficial for us to keep him around.
You can not deny that at this stage of the game the term 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' has some bloody merit. Im not saying trust telas emphatically, ofcourse we have to question every goddam thing he says, but for fuck sakes just THINK and you will see there is no harm for inno's to keep him around at least till tomorrow. You really think the other scum teams will take the chance he IS telling the truth? He should... By all rights be nk'd tonight. The other teams cannot fucking risk it. So why such resistance to keeping him till at least tomorrow? Its fairly obvious. The other scum teams are scared. They don't know if he is lying either. They want him lynched ASAP! Its fucking obvious! i am not saying keep around forever. All i am saying is that if he IS a finder. And finds scum that is not on his team. He has no reason not to tell us. After all, what does he have to lose? He would be helping his own team as well! We have found scum, now lets find some more wile we still have the luxury to get it wrong. - - sorry for one long paragraph but if you had not guest it by now i am on my phone!

[Hood's Path]

You know, Telas may be a dicey tool, but Omtose has a point. (although Omtose sort of contradics his first post on the subject)

remove vote

And, I'm off for a few hours.


edited to add the part in ( ) and to say I'm off.

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 19 April 2009 - 02:49 PM

[Omtose]

How do i couradict myself?

[Omtose]

Fucking predictive text. Meant to be contradict

[Telas]

Well, thats 7 on me by my count

Unrevealed info I lied about Liosan - to see how you all reacted.

Omtose was my find and he is definately Anarch. Make of that what ever you will.

[D'riss]

Omtose, on Apr 19 2009, 03:35 PM, said:

Right...so i am back. I can't understand some of you... Actually it does make some sense that there would be resistance to keeping a finder around. Even if it is a scum finder. There seems to be allot of narrow minded opinions floating around. Firstly...and most importantly. We have a scum reveal. Even if we choose to not believe his reveal. There is no denying it that telas IS scum. We OBVIOUSLY want him dead at some stage. Some of you seem to think (or at least want everyone else to think) that we who don't mind keeping telas around, that we trust him and don't ever want to kill him. Bla bla bla... Which is utter bullshit. I don't think he is telling us the whole truth. But i do think if he is a finder... Scum or not, because of the dynamics of this game (3 scum groups competing against one another) that it can be beneficial for us to keep him around.
You can not deny that at this stage of the game the term 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' has some bloody merit. Im not saying trust telas emphatically, ofcourse we have to question every goddam thing he says, but for fuck sakes just THINK and you will see there is no harm for inno's to keep him around at least till tomorrow. You really think the other scum teams will take the chance he IS telling the truth? He should... By all rights be nk'd tonight. The other teams cannot fucking risk it. So why such resistance to keeping him till at least tomorrow? Its fairly obvious. The other scum teams are scared. They don't know if he is lying either. They want him lynched ASAP! Its fucking obvious! i am not saying keep around forever. All i am saying is that if he IS a finder. And finds scum that is not on his team. He has no reason not to tell us. After all, what does he have to lose? He would be helping his own team as well! We have found scum, now lets find some more wile we still have the luxury to get it wrong. - - sorry for one long paragraph but if you had not guest it by now i am on my phone!

I can see your point - as a finder, he becomes more dangerous for the scum to keep around. Thing is, if we're going to pass up the opportunity to lynch scum today, I'd like to see a reasonably strong case, which we don't really have at the moment. I've got my eye on Barghast, but I don't think there's enough there at the moment for me to take a lynch on him over a lynch on a known scum. There's no point in putting off a lynch on Telas if we don't have someone else worth lynching in his place.

[Telas]

You guys could lynch Omtose to prove I am telling the truth!

[Ruse]

Telas, on Apr 19 2009, 05:11 PM, said:

Well, thats 7 on me by my count

Unrevealed info I lied about Liosan - to see how you all reacted.

Omtose was my find and he is definately Anarch. Make of that what ever you will.

What was the point of that? What info could you get from how we reacted?

[Ruse]

Telas, on Apr 19 2009, 05:23 PM, said:

You guys could lynch Omtose to prove I am telling the truth!

lol