[Emurlahn]

If Telas is telling the truth (and I can't think why he would lie, the whole thing seems screwy to me) then he is no immediate threat and seems to be doing his own side more harm. And if he survives the night he's a good option for tomorrow...admittedly hitting a scum would be good, but a 'harmless' (word under advisement!) finder scum who is doing his own side over? I can't say any of it makes any sense. Humph!

Gamelon could be worried that Telas is exposing his side I suppose, but I think it's a bit harsh to crticise someone for making a case when yesterday it was the low posters that were copping for it, and the spammers the day before. Before long we will have to have a mathematical equation to establish exactly the right amount of posts and content, and anyone who fails it will be scum...or perhaps they won't be!

That's not to say that either aren't worth watching - I know, redundant phrase, everyone is worth watching.

Barghast's attitude has my hackles up, more than anyone tbh. Oh, well another read I suppose...


Edit: Have to read the cross posts now!

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 19 April 2009 - 10:34 AM

[Ruse]

Back and catching up

[Gamelon]

Omtose, on Apr 19 2009, 02:22 AM, said:

Im not so much in the favour of lynching him. After all he can be usefull to us. Remember, even if he is not anarch he is also trying to find the other factions for his team. And is only dangerous to them. He is harmless to town as if he does find town he has to tell the truth or get lynched for lying. And if he finds a scum faction member not of his own he won't hesitate to tell us. Which only works in our favour. In fact the guys that want to lynch him should be looked at. Because they are afraid he will live till tomorrow and find scum. If he finds town...so what?

He is going to get lynched anyway. If not now, then later on.

So why would he not lie and then get lynched for the lie? For him, the net result is the same, but he brings someone down with him, so +1 for Telas. Lynching him now will not give him that option.

Anyway, I'm not opposed to letting him investigate me, should he live through the day. Nothing to hide here.

Also, I don't know why you say that he does not know who else is on his team. It's a distinct possibility, but the reason why he chose this method is that he can't talk to them off thread. Not because he doesn't know them, necessarily.

[Ruse]

Still reading, but Telas reveals scum?

WTF?

I'll check if he's still alive, but if he is something escapes me.

[Ruse]

OK,l some questions for Telas if he's around:

You say you are currently not town. Were you before?

You say you found Silanah scum on night 1. Why didn't you say anything yesterday? What's the point of the reveal? Warn your scum team they can be de-possessed? That makes no sense at all, if you knew this, then just shut up and see, it means you either win with your current scum team, or with with the town at some point.

This "town recruiter" is no danger for you, unless it says somehow in your role PM that you are "unrecruitable", in which case you must some sort of uber-scum, which I want dead.

As for those who want to keep him alive, he's scum. What kind of "info" do you expect from him? Whatever he feeds us now will be lies, and I'm sure he already started. The only way we want to keep him is that he's Anach lying, in which case he needs a lobotomy.


Still, before I vote for him, I want to think WTF he was trying to accomplish, because even if he's been telling the truth so far it doesn't compute.

[Anomandaris]

Ruse, on Apr 19 2009, 06:42 AM, said:

Still reading, but Telas reveals scum?

WTF?

I'll check if he's still alive, but if he is something escapes me.

Something escapes you then as he's still alive. I don't know why people aren't voting for him either. I'm starting to come around to Rashan, Omtose etc are scum as well so don't want to see him go.

[Rashan]

Well right now I don't see Omtoses logic and would vote for him..

Edit: Xpost
I only don't want to vote for him because im sure he is a nk target.. he cant do any harm today so we are better off making use of day and not being stuck with nothing tomorrow. If he is alive, he can be lynched.
Only problem with that is if he is a FM, I would lynch him today if that is the case

This post has been edited by Rashan: 19 April 2009 - 10:53 AM

[Omtose]

I said telas thinks his team doesn't know him. Thats why he didn't fake reveal is anarch. Anyways i guess the main reason i looked more at gam than anyone else is because he said he thinks that the guys who don't mind keeping telas around are scummy which is strange comment for me. Anyway i have to be off for a while. Play nice now.

[Emurlahn]

@ Ano: I never said I wouldn't vote for him, just that I don't understand his 'reveal'. Can anyone honestly say they do? There seems to be more to this than meets the eye, and once again there is time. Why rush a lynch? There are a lot of players who haven't even been on tonight/day yet. And it does no harm to discuss other cases as well.

Edit: Cross post

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 19 April 2009 - 10:58 AM

[Ruse]

Telas, on Apr 19 2009, 04:20 AM, said:

OK, I am going to reveal. I wont reveal my faction, but leave it to say that I am not currently Anarch. I say currently because of the info I am about to share. I have the ability to do "finds" on people. I get to know their faction. Night(day) 1 I did a find on Silanh, he was in the Sabbat faction. Now he was NKed and wham, he is now in he Anarch faction. So apparently the town can recruit. I am revealing this info for 2 reasons. My current faction needs to know that a. they can be recruited. And b. the town may not be the helpless people we see them as.

I don't expect that I will make it beyond today, but I think that info is important enough to get lynched or NKed over. Oh yeah, last night I found Liosan, he was Sabbat. I assume he has always been Sabbat, but he might have been recruited night one. Definetly not last night or I would have gotten a different find.

I checked with PS to make sure it wasn't a typo, and sure enough, he said it wasn't a typo.

So if you want to lynch me, thats your choice. But I have done all I could for my team. So I will be satisfied that I didmy job properly.

Discuss, I'll be around for a while.

So your two finds came up Sabbat, and you're confused because Silanah CFed Anarch? Even assuming you're honest, why didn't you just assume you find everyone Sabbat? Or that Silanah was a Sabbat "symp", that CFed inno, but somehow you're a better finder than the CF?

The underlined part is what gets me, again assuming you're honest (and right). How about
a. there's a chance you'll get recruited to a team which is not helpless and win too
b. what's your conclusion, that we majority should turn on one another to give you scums a chance? WTF?

And why didn't you reveal all this saying you were an INNO finder, at least, to avoid the lynch? You would have given the same "info" to your scum colleagues if that was really the point of your noble sacrifice.

Does not compute, but whatever

vote Telas.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 19 April 2009 - 11:01 AM

[Ruse]

Rashan, on Apr 19 2009, 12:51 PM, said:

Well right now I don't see Omtoses logic and would vote for him..

Edit: Xpost
I only don't want to vote for him because im sure he is a nk target.. he cant do any harm today so we are better off making use of day and not being stuck with nothing tomorrow. If he is alive, he can be lynched.
Only problem with that is if he is a FM, I would lynch him today if that is the case

what? He revealed SCUM finder, unlike killers, if innos have vigs they are usually one-shot. Why the hell do we want to force one to waste his kill, while we lynch an unknown player which could be Anach?

[Rashan]

Ruse, on Apr 19 2009, 11:00 AM, said:

Rashan, on Apr 19 2009, 12:51 PM, said:

Well right now I don't see Omtoses logic and would vote for him..

Edit: Xpost
I only don't want to vote for him because im sure he is a nk target.. he cant do any harm today so we are better off making use of day and not being stuck with nothing tomorrow. If he is alive, he can be lynched.
Only problem with that is if he is a FM, I would lynch him today if that is the case

what? He revealed SCUM finder, unlike killers, if innos have vigs they are usually one-shot. Why the hell do we want to force one to waste his kill, while we lynch an unknown player which could be Anach?

He revealed scum, there are 3 scum factions, 2 of which I believe have killing powers
Even if a faction knows if Telas is in their faction, the other will kill him. Why waste a lynch target and have another 2 dead people on our hands when we can try find other scum today. He is of no threat to anybody other than scum who don't want to be revealed. If he is alive tomorrow, lynch him then, whats the harm he is going to do. Though I didn't think that Sil could have been a symp..

[Ruse]

The ONLY way Telas is a bad lynch is if he's a lying Anach, in which case he's be making a fucking good posts to SH right now that will explain to me his point.

Everything else, he's a good lynch. Wanting to keep him alive to force a vig to waste his kill is not good. He could be killed by the other scum, but how can we be sure he's not in the scum team that has the kills, if not all of them can do it? (there hasn't been 3 kills per nights until now).

Wanting to keep him to get more info from him is like keeping a virus on your computer to see if it will improve your system's performance at some point

[Gamelon]

Rashan, on Apr 19 2009, 04:04 AM, said:

Ruse, on Apr 19 2009, 11:00 AM, said:

Rashan, on Apr 19 2009, 12:51 PM, said:

Well right now I don't see Omtoses logic and would vote for him..

Edit: Xpost
I only don't want to vote for him because im sure he is a nk target.. he cant do any harm today so we are better off making use of day and not being stuck with nothing tomorrow. If he is alive, he can be lynched.
Only problem with that is if he is a FM, I would lynch him today if that is the case

what? He revealed SCUM finder, unlike killers, if innos have vigs they are usually one-shot. Why the hell do we want to force one to waste his kill, while we lynch an unknown player which could be Anach?

He revealed scum, there are 3 scum factions, 2 of which I believe have killing powers
Even if a faction knows if Telas is in their faction, the other will kill him. Why waste a lynch target and have another 2 dead people on our hands when we can try find other scum today. He is of no threat to anybody other than scum who don't want to be revealed. If he is alive tomorrow, lynch him then, whats the harm he is going to do. Though I didn't think that Sil could have been a symp..

Why will they kill him, and not wait for us to lynch him? The recruiting team definately isn't going to target him.
And if another scum team gambles and keeps him around for a while, w either still have to lynch him, or we have to spend a vig. That's why I press for lynching him now. Anyway, I'm out as the weather is amazing.

[Ruse]

Rashan, on Apr 19 2009, 01:04 PM, said:

He revealed scum, there are 3 scum factions, 2 of which I believe have killing powers
Even if a faction knows if Telas is in their faction, the other will kill him. Why waste a lynch target and have another 2 dead people on our hands when we can try find other scum today. He is of no threat to anybody other than scum who don't want to be revealed. If he is alive tomorrow, lynch him then, whats the harm he is going to do. Though I didn't think that Sil could have been a symp..

Yes, what harm can come from keeping a scum of unknown power alive one more day. Let's take chance and lynch someone else instead.

Actually, why not.

remove vote
vote Rashan


No reason really. But don't worry Rashan, if we're wrong about you we'll lynch Telas tomorrow.

[Ruse]

remove vote
vote Telas

That was sarcasm

[Anomandaris]

Why would he be a NK target when he's the most obvious lynch target i've ever seen?

Who would waste a kill on him at night when he can be lynched and the scum get another night to recruit/kill. And also he didnt reveal his faction the killers would need to be sure that he's not on their faction.

I find it difficult to believe that these thoughts haven't gone through everyones minds yet and concluded we must lynched the revealed scum today.

Also we have no evidence he is a Finder but I don't understand what he's doing to reveal like this regardless of who he is to be honest. I hardly think his infomation is important, the town can recruit? So what the 3 scum factions were going easy on us and not targeting town previously?

[Rashan]

Ruse, on Apr 19 2009, 11:06 AM, said:

The ONLY way Telas is a bad lynch is if he's a lying Anach, in which case he's be making a fucking good posts to SH right now that will explain to me his point.

Everything else, he's a good lynch. Wanting to keep him alive to force a vig to waste his kill is not good. He could be killed by the other scum, but how can we be sure he's not in the scum team that has the kills, if not all of them can do it? (there hasn't been 3 kills per nights until now).

Wanting to keep him to get more info from him is like keeping a virus on your computer to see if it will improve your system's performance at some point

I don't want to keep him going for more info... I want him killed.. I never said I wanted him to vigged, I want him to be killed by scum. If he isn't, we lynch him tomorrow.. I don't see a problem. You don't see any other option, no other case. I don't have a problem with lynching him today but it seems pointless to speed lynch him now and have nothing to go on for tomorrow.. chances are im going to change my vote soon before I sleep anyway.

[Ruse]

And saying

"If the scum don't kill him tonight we'll lynch him tomorrow"

Makees me wonder why the fuck the scum would kill him tonigh when they can chose randomly tonight and be safe from lynch tomorrow.


edit: cross-post with Ando. Good someone else agrees, I mean what am I missing? I'm not saying Telas is the ONLY scum around, but he's revealed as such. When do we have a 100% chance of good lynch?

This post has been edited by Ruse: 19 April 2009 - 11:13 AM

[Rashan]

If he reveals finder, he is a threat to scum so scum kill him..
Screw it, if you guys want to speed lynch and have nothing to go on tomorrow, fine by me..
I will be pushing my Barghast case tomorrow if anyone even looked into it, it seems everyone is tunnel visioned right now
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