[Sinisdar Toste]

perhaps just knowing how to attend the chaining grants you a backstage pass. that whole audacity thing that they use to get into the deadhouse. dancer could pop out of a shadow, then be all like, "well i'm already here, why don't i lend a hand?"

[Harvester]

... and then gets smashed by Brood's hammer.

Maybe they were there on behalf of the Azath or something. Who knows...

[geNESis]

[quote name='Harvester' date='20 February 2010 - 11:09 AM' timestamp='1266682149' post='732446']
By the way, Shadowthrone and Cotillion did not yet exist when Dassem's daughter was taken.

[quote]and it bred caution in the unveiling of its powers. The Crippled God bred

caution but not well enough, for the powers of the earth came to it in the

end. Chained was the Crippled God, and so Chained was it destroyed. And

upon this barren plain that imprisoned the Crippled God many gathered to

the deed. Hood, gray wanderer of Death, was among the gathering, as was

Dessembrae, then Hood's Warrior - though it was here and in this time

that Dessembrae shattereed the bonds Hood held upon him. Also among

the gathering were

GotM, US HC, p.274

[/quote]


It does just say "the powers of the earth came to it in the end" so it could be that there were other mortals present at the chaining. Besides after Kruppe reads that passage he has to flip through three more pages of names untill he gets to the part about which Tiste Andii were there. Then jokes that he half expected to see his grandmother's name there the list was so long.

[Harvester]

Nay, that quote is practically useless, I wanted to stress the second one concerning Dassem's fall and the Throne of Shadow.
They always said "Cotillion, you were there at the last chaining...blabla" and I had not thought about the possibility that they were referring to mortal Dancer.

[Abberon]

Are people still trying to figure out who Traveller is? I thought it was painfully obvious from RotCG. It was painfully obvious even before TTH from previous novels.

[Ozymandiac]

Perhaps someone else has mentioned this already -didn't want to read 3 pages- but can the title of this topic be changed into something that doesn't spoil anything?
When people see the title pop up at the homepage, they don't have any choice but see what it says.

[Aptorian]

The title is not a spoiler.

That question "Is traveller Dassem Ultor" has existed since HoC.

When you read HoC, you'll wonder about Traveller because you have a sneaking suspicion that he could be Dassem Ultor but you don't get a real answer to this before RCG/TTH.

Since you wont have any idea of who Traveller is before HoC there's not really any spoiler.

[Ozymandiac]

You may have had a suspicion that Traveller was Dassem Ultor (and many others with you), but I'm pretty sure there have been people who didn't. Now, if the thought hasn't even crossed one's mind, and you sees a topic title like that, it's like the puzzle pieces come together and you develop that sneaking suspicion.
I cannot speak for other people of course, but I like to develop my ideas solely on purpose (i.e., by reading the books), and not by reading it accidentally on the Forum Activity.

Another reason for me disliking the title is that I do not see the point in it - why not 'Suspicion about Traveller'? It's covers the topic well, but doesn't reveal a thing. You can read it if you want, or you can just ignore the topic if you don't wish to know anything about him.

[Silannah]

Spoiler

... After going through this, I've decided to join the site, just so I can stick my opinion in. Dassem Ultor, the First Sword of the Malazan Empire, I thought was Dessimbelackis, the First Sword of the First Empire reborn, because in one of the books it mentions that Dassem is "the First Sword reborn" or something like that. Since that, I've been convinced that those two are connected with a "reborn" thing. Dassem was in the cohort of Kellanved and Dancer, and those three seem to fit together in the overall scheme of things with the "Three" theme that's going on. So, those three (Kellanved, Dancer, Dassem) all ascended, with Kellanved as Shadowthrone, Dancer as Cotillion, and Dassem as Dessembrae, also known as Traveller. And, would Shadowthrone and Cotillion have watched the epic battle between Rake and Traveller (it's mentioned in DoD, US paperback pg. 600 "'Two gods were in attendance, that I know of.' 'Who?' the word came out in a dry rasp. 'Shadowthrone and Cotillion.'"), if Traveller WASN'T Dassem? Well, they probably would, but even so.
(I don't think this has too many spoilers!)

Please watch the spoilers~Bubba

[D'rek]

^^That, unfortunately is a huge bloody spoiler for DoD

[Hood's Legacy]

Hetan, on 25 February 2009 - 06:16 PM, said:

I have to say that a life story of Dassem would be far more interesting to me than an Andii story
I would love to know what he and Kellanved and Dancer plotted for sure.

I remember Kalam mentioning in book 4 that Cotillion was there during the last chaining.
Did he mean chaining of the fallen/broken one? If yes, how is that possible as it happened a long time ago and Dancer/Cotillion couldn't have existed back then... Or could he have??

[Hood's Legacy]

Harvester, on 23 February 2010 - 09:37 PM, said:

Nay, that quote is practically useless, I wanted to stress the second one concerning Dassem's fall and the Throne of Shadow.
They always said "Cotillion, you were there at the last chaining...blabla" and I had not thought about the possibility that they were referring to mortal Dancer.

Exactly what I was thinking... The chaining happened centuries ago compared to the current timeline. Could Dancer be really that old????

[beru]

standard forum therory is that there is more than one chaning and the last one was recently, (ie 100 and some years ago), this opens for cot to be at that chanign withot making him reeeeeeeeeely old

[haroos]

H.D., on 25 February 2009 - 01:56 PM, said:

No, no, no and... no.

The only thing Dessembrae and Dessembeliackis share is an unfortunate coincidence in name.

It's commonly asked, and commonly answered, so no problem! <img src="http://forum.malazanempire.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

isn't that a mistake ?

it even says that his present form is an aspect of (doesn't say who).
but we can guess that he is an avatar of someone, perhaps dassem is dessembrae.

[Harvester]

Dassem is Dessembrae.

[worry]

Not even a remote possibility that that is the case.

[Hetan]

Hood, on 20 May 2010 - 06:59 AM, said:

Hetan, on 25 February 2009 - 06:16 PM, said:

I have to say that a life story of Dassem would be far more interesting to me than an Andii story
I would love to know what he and Kellanved and Dancer plotted for sure.

I remember Kalam mentioning in book 4 that Cotillion was there during the last chaining.
Did he mean chaining of the fallen/broken one? If yes, how is that possible as it happened a long time ago and Dancer/Cotillion couldn't have existed back then... Or could he have??

There has been more than one chaining and the last one took place within the last 80 years.

[Harvester]

worrywort, on 20 May 2010 - 09:18 PM, said:

Not even a remote possibility that that is the case.

Sheesh, you're right, I forgot he's now sworn to Scalissara... and Mortal Sword of Olive Oil.

This post has been edited by Harvester: 20 May 2010 - 11:14 PM

[Hood's Legacy]

Hetan, on 20 May 2010 - 09:40 PM, said:

Hood, on 20 May 2010 - 06:59 AM, said:

Hetan, on 25 February 2009 - 06:16 PM, said:

I have to say that a life story of Dassem would be far more interesting to me than an Andii story
I would love to know what he and Kellanved and Dancer plotted for sure.

I remember Kalam mentioning in book 4 that Cotillion was there during the last chaining.
Did he mean chaining of the fallen/broken one? If yes, how is that possible as it happened a long time ago and Dancer/Cotillion couldn't have existed back then... Or could he have??

There has been more than one chaining and the last one took place within the last 80 years.

Now hang on..., does chaining specifically refer to the crippled god or any malign entity in general?

[Bauchelain the Evil]

From what we know Chainings refer exclusively to the CG. Seeing how in the last one Hood took Dassem's daughter and by Kalam's comment on Dancer's presence it is reasonable that it was rather recent.