[Ampelas]

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 08:17 PM, said:

okay, now i'm scared how fast my case's picking up spped,

This is one post which caught my eye, maybe Galayn Lord is trying to warn his followers not to join so quickly in case suspicion falls on him for leading the train? It would be a rather fail attempt at subtleness but it does look a bit suspicious.

[Galayn Lord]

Tennes, on Feb 12 2009, 09:46 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

one person that really stands out to me though is Tennes. He appears eager to jump on almost any train anyone else makes, and the train seems to swell soon after he voices his supicions.

he's been pushy and agressive all game, and I feel that he's a high-rank, hiding in plain sight.

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 08:03 PM, said:

little-known fact: Tennes was actually the first to vote Kaschan.

yes, I am venturing into the sea of re-read spam to figure out the kas vote train

So i'm the first to vote for Kaschan, and the second to vote for HP. But i'm also jumping on everyone else's trains. Got it.

What you've done here is decide to try to get me lynched. So you make a case against me for following others (despite this being true of a lot of players in the game, but not me). Then you realise that this is nonsense, so you make a case against me for doing the opposite - Making cases that others follow me on.

D'riss, on Feb 12 2009, 08:16 PM, said:

I have to agree. I'm liking the Tennes case better than the cases being made against HP and Serc. This mention of him voting for Kaschan is just another strike against him. I think he is a potential number more than either of the aforementioned two. Tennes has pointed out serc as someone who voted the same, and I've had my suspicions about him.

Of course, this Tennes case could have been started by HP's supposed symps.

Why is my voting for Kaschan a strike against me? You'll notice lots of people did. Of course, if it's being the first vote on the lynch that's a strike against someone, then people will never vote for anyone.

I like to keep the game moving, and I like to put people under pressure. Not my fault people follow my cases.

arg, IE just crashed, second half of the train got lost

Tennes, you are misinterpreting my words, not sure if on purpose or not.
I said you were "latching onto cases". that's not the same as "jumping on trains"

look at it, if we supose you were Galain's leader:

Day 1: you make a joke vote on Kaschan.
Grief is still engaged in RP with Kas, and then dkt makes his "slip"
Galain jumps on it, makes a case on Kas as being a leader

You IMMIDIATELY latch onto it, saying "I think that's a great case, my joke vote is now a real vote"

omitting the Ano thing, which may have been a signal as well, you then put more pressure on Kas. in this, you are parrotted by Shadow, who repeats your argument, and cites it as reason to vote for Kas.
you also point out everyone who disagrees with voting for Kas in any way--and "convince" a few to change their minds (Meanas)

day 2, you do the same thing--someone suggests HP might be a leader, and you latch on to the idea, and a train gathers.

you may be a victim of circumstance, but yes, it looks very suspicious.

[Galayn Lord]

Ampelas, on Feb 12 2009, 10:34 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 08:17 PM, said:

okay, now i'm scared how fast my case's picking up spped,

This is one post which caught my eye, maybe Galayn Lord is trying to warn his followers not to join so quickly in case suspicion falls on him for leading the train? It would be a rather fail attempt at subtleness but it does look a bit suspicious.

lol, after 34.5 I make sure to triple-read my posts before posting.
not being a leader, the amount of votes my case gets makes me think I might be off the mark with respect to Tennes being a leader, that's all.

[Tennes]

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

Tennes, on Feb 12 2009, 09:46 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

one person that really stands out to me though is Tennes. He appears eager to jump on almost any train anyone else makes, and the train seems to swell soon after he voices his supicions.

he's been pushy and agressive all game, and I feel that he's a high-rank, hiding in plain sight.

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 08:03 PM, said:

little-known fact: Tennes was actually the first to vote Kaschan.

yes, I am venturing into the sea of re-read spam to figure out the kas vote train

So i'm the first to vote for Kaschan, and the second to vote for HP. But i'm also jumping on everyone else's trains. Got it.

What you've done here is decide to try to get me lynched. So you make a case against me for following others (despite this being true of a lot of players in the game, but not me). Then you realise that this is nonsense, so you make a case against me for doing the opposite - Making cases that others follow me on.

D'riss, on Feb 12 2009, 08:16 PM, said:

I have to agree. I'm liking the Tennes case better than the cases being made against HP and Serc. This mention of him voting for Kaschan is just another strike against him. I think he is a potential number more than either of the aforementioned two. Tennes has pointed out serc as someone who voted the same, and I've had my suspicions about him.

Of course, this Tennes case could have been started by HP's supposed symps.

Why is my voting for Kaschan a strike against me? You'll notice lots of people did. Of course, if it's being the first vote on the lynch that's a strike against someone, then people will never vote for anyone.

I like to keep the game moving, and I like to put people under pressure. Not my fault people follow my cases.

arg, IE just crashed, second half of the train got lost

Tennes, you are misinterpreting my words, not sure if on purpose or not.
I said you were "latching onto cases". that's not the same as "jumping on trains"

look at it, if we supose you were Galain's leader:

Day 1: you make a joke vote on Kaschan.
Grief is still engaged in RP with Kas, and then dkt makes his "slip"
Galain jumps on it, makes a case on Kas as being a leader

You IMMIDIATELY latch onto it, saying "I think that's a great case, my joke vote is now a real vote"

omitting the Ano thing, which may have been a signal as well, you then put more pressure on Kas. in this, you are parrotted by Shadow, who repeats your argument, and cites it as reason to vote for Kas.
you also point out everyone who disagrees with voting for Kas in any way--and "convince" a few to change their minds (Meanas)

day 2, you do the same thing--someone suggests HP might be a leader, and you latch on to the idea, and a train gathers.

you may be a victim of circumstance, but yes, it looks very suspicious.

So you're saying that i'm leading people onto cases i'm latching onto?

[Galayn Lord]

in al honesty, I can't claim to lead the Galain train. Kas was there before me if you look at it.
on the vote count my vote is first, b/c Kas momentarily removed to put the vote on Tennes, but then he put it back on Galain.

all of yesterday I was arguing against the JA lynch, b/c I knew Korlat was dkt from the first 5 hours of the game, and in light of that the main premise of the case on Kas was drivel.
my vote became serious once JA presented a likely case for Grief as leader.

today, I have put Tennes as apossibility because of his agressive manner. i haven't encouraged anyone to vote, nor have I labelled his defenders as his symps

[Tennes]

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

day 2, you do the same thing--someone suggests HP might be a leader, and you latch on to the idea, and a train gathers.

I'd like to point out here that I was the first person to call HP on the "I couldn't possibly be fire" comment. Admittedly I didn't follow it up straight away, but you're accusing me of latching onto my own case here.

[Galayn Lord]

Tennes, on Feb 12 2009, 10:38 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

Tennes, on Feb 12 2009, 09:46 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

one person that really stands out to me though is Tennes. He appears eager to jump on almost any train anyone else makes, and the train seems to swell soon after he voices his supicions.

he's been pushy and agressive all game, and I feel that he's a high-rank, hiding in plain sight.

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 08:03 PM, said:

little-known fact: Tennes was actually the first to vote Kaschan.

yes, I am venturing into the sea of re-read spam to figure out the kas vote train

So i'm the first to vote for Kaschan, and the second to vote for HP. But i'm also jumping on everyone else's trains. Got it.

What you've done here is decide to try to get me lynched. So you make a case against me for following others (despite this being true of a lot of players in the game, but not me). Then you realise that this is nonsense, so you make a case against me for doing the opposite - Making cases that others follow me on.

D'riss, on Feb 12 2009, 08:16 PM, said:

I have to agree. I'm liking the Tennes case better than the cases being made against HP and Serc. This mention of him voting for Kaschan is just another strike against him. I think he is a potential number more than either of the aforementioned two. Tennes has pointed out serc as someone who voted the same, and I've had my suspicions about him.

Of course, this Tennes case could have been started by HP's supposed symps.

Why is my voting for Kaschan a strike against me? You'll notice lots of people did. Of course, if it's being the first vote on the lynch that's a strike against someone, then people will never vote for anyone.

I like to keep the game moving, and I like to put people under pressure. Not my fault people follow my cases.

arg, IE just crashed, second half of the train got lost

Tennes, you are misinterpreting my words, not sure if on purpose or not.
I said you were "latching onto cases". that's not the same as "jumping on trains"

look at it, if we supose you were Galain's leader:

Day 1: you make a joke vote on Kaschan.
Grief is still engaged in RP with Kas, and then dkt makes his "slip"
Galain jumps on it, makes a case on Kas as being a leader

You IMMIDIATELY latch onto it, saying "I think that's a great case, my joke vote is now a real vote"

omitting the Ano thing, which may have been a signal as well, you then put more pressure on Kas. in this, you are parrotted by Shadow, who repeats your argument, and cites it as reason to vote for Kas.
you also point out everyone who disagrees with voting for Kas in any way--and "convince" a few to change their minds (Meanas)

day 2, you do the same thing--someone suggests HP might be a leader, and you latch on to the idea, and a train gathers.

you may be a victim of circumstance, but yes, it looks very suspicious.

So you're saying that i'm leading people onto cases i'm latching onto?

you latch onto a case early in the day, and people follow you. it's suspicious.

[Galayn Lord]

Tennes, on Feb 12 2009, 10:43 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

day 2, you do the same thing--someone suggests HP might be a leader, and you latch on to the idea, and a train gathers.

I'd like to point out here that I was the first person to call HP on the "I couldn't possibly be fire" comment. Admittedly I didn't follow it up straight away, but you're accusing me of latching onto my own case here.

later on you agreed when someone said Serc might have "slipped up". if you think Serc's a leader, why not vote him?

[Galayn Lord]

I mean, I think people forget that if we eliminate both the First and the Third of a school, their symps join the remaining schools.

so unless you think HP's a leader of Fire, attacking him is counterproductive, since you're removing what can potentially become your teammate.

[Path-Shaper]

i am heading to bed soon, will be back on early but not before night falls and ends, so hopefully someone will take up the mod torch, if not i will resolve everything come morning.

[Tennes]

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 09:45 PM, said:

Tennes, on Feb 12 2009, 10:43 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

day 2, you do the same thing--someone suggests HP might be a leader, and you latch on to the idea, and a train gathers.

I'd like to point out here that I was the first person to call HP on the "I couldn't possibly be fire" comment. Admittedly I didn't follow it up straight away, but you're accusing me of latching onto my own case here.

later on you agreed when someone said Serc might have "slipped up". if you think Serc's a leader, why not vote him?

Are you seriously accusing me of symping Serc now? Make up your mind. What do you think I am?


I didn't say Serc had "slipped up". I agrees with Kesso that it was funny the three players Serc wanted dead, ended up dead.
But I think HP more likely, and we'll get a decent amount of info from the lynch (if HP comes up fire, then while it may not be certain that HP is a leader, it'll be a pretty good indication IMO).

[Tennes]

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 09:42 PM, said:

in al honesty, I can't claim to lead the Galain train. Kas was there before me if you look at it.
on the vote count my vote is first, b/c Kas momentarily removed to put the vote on Tennes, but then he put it back on Galain.

all of yesterday I was arguing against the JA lynch, b/c I knew Korlat was dkt from the first 5 hours of the game, and in light of that the main premise of the case on Kas was drivel.
my vote became serious once JA presented a likely case for Grief as leader.

today, I have put Tennes as apossibility because of his agressive manner. i haven't encouraged anyone to vote, nor have I labelled his defenders as his symps

Making cases on people = encouraging people to vote. You've no more encouraged people to vote than I have.

Can you please anwser this: What have you accused me of that you could not yourself be guilty of?

[Tennes]

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 09:47 PM, said:

I mean, I think people forget that if we eliminate both the First and the Third of a school, their symps join the remaining schools.

so unless you think HP's a leader of Fire, attacking him is counterproductive, since you're removing what can potentially become your teammate.

What? Isn't this true of every possible lynch?

Galayn, you're really worried about HP getting lynched, aren't you?

[Galayn Lord]

Tennes, on Feb 12 2009, 10:52 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 09:45 PM, said:

Tennes, on Feb 12 2009, 10:43 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

day 2, you do the same thing--someone suggests HP might be a leader, and you latch on to the idea, and a train gathers.

I'd like to point out here that I was the first person to call HP on the "I couldn't possibly be fire" comment. Admittedly I didn't follow it up straight away, but you're accusing me of latching onto my own case here.

later on you agreed when someone said Serc might have "slipped up". if you think Serc's a leader, why not vote him?

Are you seriously accusing me of symping Serc now? Make up your mind. What do you think I am?


I didn't say Serc had "slipped up". I agrees with Kesso that it was funny the three players Serc wanted dead, ended up dead.
But I think HP more likely, and we'll get a decent amount of info from the lynch (if HP comes up fire, then while it may not be certain that HP is a leader, it'll be a pretty good indication IMO).

I'm not accusing you of symping Serc.

and I can you explain your reasoning why exactly it'd be good indication?

HP confesses to have killed Grief.
I don't think anyone seriously believes Grief was anything other than a BM by now.
so HP would either be a 7th or a BM.

either way, a waste of a lynch, imho

[Serc]

Tennes, on Feb 12 2009, 01:55 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 09:47 PM, said:

I mean, I think people forget that if we eliminate both the First and the Third of a school, their symps join the remaining schools.

so unless you think HP's a leader of Fire, attacking him is counterproductive, since you're removing what can potentially become your teammate.

What? Isn't this true of every possible lynch?

Galayn, you're really worried about HP getting lynched, aren't you?

Reason enough to leave my vote on him.

I mean, I know neither of them is my leader, just like I know you aren't.

[Ampelas]

Ok, after trawling through the spam of day 1 for like 15 mins, I have almost lost the will to live and still failed to find when GL voted for Galain or what happened after that. There doesn't seem to be too much of a link between GL voting Galain and others jumping on.

However, I do still have a feeling that GL is being a bit too helpful and is now kind of driving the board with Galain Korlat and Kaschan gone.

[Serc]

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 01:56 PM, said:

HP confesses to have killed Grief.
I don't think anyone seriously believes Grief was anything other than a BM by now.
so HP would either be a 7th or a BM.

Wow ...

You're taking HP's word on his Night Action?

And you do realize that even if he's telling the truth, he could have been acting in concert with another player to take down a higher rank. We don't know if Grief was a BM or not. You're really asserting that as cover for GL.

[Tennes]

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 09:56 PM, said:

HP confesses to have killed Grief.

Errr...

HP claims to have killed Galain. HP encouraged everyone else to target Grief, so he pretty much had to today.

But anyway, why couldn't Galain be a 7th? Is that impossible, or is it just based on percieved behaviour? Someone will have to explain it to me.

[Galayn Lord]

Tennes, on Feb 12 2009, 10:53 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 12 2009, 09:42 PM, said:

in al honesty, I can't claim to lead the Galain train. Kas was there before me if you look at it.
on the vote count my vote is first, b/c Kas momentarily removed to put the vote on Tennes, but then he put it back on Galain.

all of yesterday I was arguing against the JA lynch, b/c I knew Korlat was dkt from the first 5 hours of the game, and in light of that the main premise of the case on Kas was drivel.
my vote became serious once JA presented a likely case for Grief as leader.

today, I have put Tennes as apossibility because of his agressive manner. i haven't encouraged anyone to vote, nor have I labelled his defenders as his symps

Making cases on people = encouraging people to vote. You've no more encouraged people to vote than I have.

Can you please anwser this: What have you accused me of that you could not yourself be guilty of?

disagree with the underlined part.
encouraging people to vote = pointing out individuals and saying "vote X, or we'll assume you're X's symp"
making case = saying, "I think we should vote X, here's my reasoning, if you like it, feel free to vote the same way"

that's the exact difference between us--I don't singel out those who disagree with me as necessarily not being with me. I'm not a leader, so i can't have that certainty.
you, at least yesterday, were emanating the certaint that those not voting would have to be on JA's team, since they weren't with you.

that's the difference--I'm not certain. I have no additional to gain certainty from. you give off the appearance of knowing more.

[Serc]

Hood's Path, on Feb 11 2009, 11:38 AM, said:

Wow. Never in mafia has anything played out exactly as I predicted before

I targeted Galain as I said I would so thanks to the other person(s) who participated.

I said before that I thought Korlat dug his own grave by claiming BM and being believeable.

And I'm hoping Kaschan was the seventh, but probably he was a BM.

I'm not on team Fire obviously

I'm gonna sign off for the night and try to make some sense of this in the morning. With all the central figures of yesterday's arguing dead, it's almost like starting over...

I'm going to toss this back out there for people, to refresh everyone's memory.