All right people. My long promised read through of Fener. I first got suspicious of Fener when I noticed him and Kaschan talking about the necro and the creature. It pipiqued my interest and so I decided to do a read of him. I just needed some food and a coke first
Let's start with the totality of Fener's actuall contributions to day 1.
Fener, on Jan 19 2009, 06:24 PM, said:
Okay, well it seems the biggest beef anybody had with me was that I agreed with Kess about something I failed to specify. Well, I'll specify it now, I was agreeing that lynching a heavy poster on day 1 is ridic. Why waste somebody who could potentially stimulate conversation? Besides, back on PAGE 1! we were all still in the throes of spamming. It was just jokes and, with the possible exception of two who I shall be keeping an eye on, there was nothing said to pique my suspicions. Now, can we please start talking some more? Dead thread is dead.
Ok, so he agrees with the common opinion at that point. Hardly revolutionary either way. He then goes to complain about contribution, yet does nothing himself.
Fener, on Jan 20 2009, 02:58 AM, said:
I'm personally a little intrigued by the train on Omtose. As one of you mentioned, if he's really a killer nobody will be able to use that ploy again, so I'd rule it out as legit reveal. Due to the time of the reveal, I'm fairly sure then that the first vote was equally jokes, but it seems to me that the last three on the train could be scum.
Again, he voices an opinion already aired by several players. Nothing that really pushes anyone or disagrees with anything said before.
Fener, on Jan 20 2009, 06:18 PM, said:
The Serc train does worry me, but then again, I'm persuaded by the case that Liosan has a point. Now, if he's wrong, I think Liosan is probably a good lynch for tomorrow, but atm, I can't help but see his point. Now, I will wait for Serc to respond before I cast my vote, assuming he's on before night. I don't want to see day 2 dawn with no new info, so lynch somebody. Preferably somebody who has a logical case against them...
Continues along the same path. He tries to plant the sugestion that Liosan should be a good lynch based on the cf of Serc, which is ridiuclous seeing that it's day 1. Still, it hardly counts as something people would find a lot of problem with. Mild disagreement at the most is what Fener can get so far.
Fener, on Jan 20 2009, 11:44 PM, said:
Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 02:41 PM, said:
As for my persistant efforts to magnify the necro threat, Ano, I can't remember them being persistent. If anything, I can remember mentioning it maybe twice, and the simple fact is, they are more of a threat in my eyes. They are killers who can swap their kill power to get another symp. I'd rather just normal killers, cus at least when one of them is gone, we don't have to worry about them being replaced.
Sorry Serc, didn't like your case.
Vote Serc
I haven't and won't have time to rad the last two pages until after day times out, so this may be redundant info, but as I understand the Necros, I believe Kaschan is correct. They can't kill by themselves, only their Creature, who is unknown to them, is capable of the kill. It completely random guesswork whether they get a kill or not. The best option is to hunt down the killers/creature.
Here he talks about the killers creatures with Kaschan. Noticed btb that he not only voted to late, but he did in the safest manner possible. He disagrees with the case but wants a lynch. Fair enough but it protects him from the consequences of the train in many ways.
Yeah, this has been the entire Fener contribution of day 1. To me this reeks of a Necromancer laying low. He's trying to seem as if he contributes when in fact he is not. This way he avoids a lynch and won't as easily be called out for it later.
Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 01:54 AM, said:
Well, before you get carried away, let me assure you, I was merely pointing out my interpretation of a rule discrepancy, one which had been plaguing several around the last thing I'd ben able to read last time I had to leave the chair. I can assure you, I'm just a helper.
This is his response to my suggestion that Kaschan and him are necros. Just a little nervous don't you think? I can just imagine Fener sitting at the desk thinking "oh shit oh shit, how do I respond to this without implicating me and my partner further". .
Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 06:04 PM, said:
*snipped out the inbetween quotes to decerease size*
Think about who you know who plays that way. I admit its suspect, but then again he ALWAYS plays like this.
As for current threat level, I think its safe to say that we are in the best position. One killer is dead, that leaves us with a maximum of 2 left, more likely one. He wasn't recruited, possibly because he can't be, but more likely because the Creature hasn't figured out how to signal the Necros. Other way round applies as well. This means that recruiting is still probably pretty random. Also, because Emurlahn was killed, HIS order probably didn't go through. Therefore, max recruit last night is 1. Yay, we rock.3
Reason for EDIT: Hit a button by accident resulting in me posting before I actually intended to.
Ok, he summarizes the game yet contributes nothing. Again this is a typical evil trap. Trying to seem helpfull without actually contributing anything. Summarizing the game does just that and we've seen numerous examples of killers attempting to use it.
Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 06:40 PM, said:
Korlat, on Jan 21 2009, 12:35 PM, said:
Anomandaris, on Jan 21 2009, 09:31 AM, said:
Both of them seem like clumsy attempts at a code to me, because they seem like unnatural ways of saying things. If you were talking about what you see ahead for tomorrow, you'd say something like "Thyrllan and Liosan will be at the top of my list tomorrow if Serc comes up inno." So to me, that spells either a code or an attempt to manipulate people into looking into those you want them to look into without actually committing to anything yourself. Both of which seem scummy to me, whether it's of the Necro or Psycho variety.
So, without further ado,
Vote Korlat
Or, you could simply take what I said at face value.
Liosan being a lynch target for leading an incorrect lynch, including some waffling on it about half-way through.
Thyrllan for trying to derail that Lynch in a way that made Serc look
more guilty (to me, anyways), not less - that is, trying to frame an Inno, perhaps even in the hopes that Serc was actually a Necro.
Edit: Anyways, I'm off for a shower and coffee.
This is Mafia, nothing can ever really be taken at face value. Just for that, I'm
Voting Korlat
Wow, a rhyme.
It's day 2 and he throw out a vote like this? It's completly pointless and without value. But, it does make Fener seem to be participating. Look everyone, he voted for someone, he must want us to win.
Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 09:42 PM, said:
Oh. Well then.
remove vote
vote Silanah
But Korlat is not as safe as Silanah, whom people vote for simply because he's not been on much.
Fener, on Jan 22 2009, 12:13 AM, said:
Silanah, on Jan 21 2009, 06:08 PM, said:
Meanas, on Jan 21 2009, 05:28 PM, said:
Silanah, on Jan 21 2009, 11:07 PM, said:
Hello, just catching up on the last few pages
I just want to make sure that people notice what time Silanah posted to see if he posts again anytime soon. I would but I really have to go and study.
Took me nearly an hour to read about 7 pages or so.
Time for me to flail my arms around for you having not much of a case on me from me not posting much. Ive had some rl issues to deal with and I said I would post more today which is what I am planning to do. Its not my fault I am in a different time zone from others, it just gives me a disadvantage.
As for cases so far, Ruse and Thy might have had their pissing fight a while back but them both seem to be innocent in my eyes. The people I am keeping tabs on are Liosan for not much reason other than pushing an innocent lynch and Tennes for posting not much either.
Oh, that's rich, you're pressuring somebody else for doing exactly the same thing you've been pressured for. How does that make you feel, Mr. Pot? I'm sure its not as bad as Mr. Kettle feels. Maybe you should apologize. If you want us to back off of you, you should start by showing some real thought, adding significantly to the conversation, and not pushing lynches on people who do exactly what you've been doing. (Something Thyr taught me in the afore mentioned ModCraft game. Which I single handedly turned into a victory. What? I'm not gloating.)
Ok, a comment thrown Silanah's way. Fair enough, but once more it hardly does anything worthwhile.
Fener, on Jan 22 2009, 12:31 AM, said:
Korlat, on Jan 21 2009, 06:26 PM, said:
@Fener: Uh, just wondering - why are you trying to out potentially Inno Twins?
If they are setting up a code to PI later in the game, why would you draw attention to it, and make them a target?
Sort of bizarre, trying to force reveal Innos.
2 reasons. First, I'm stating that I know there's a POSSIBILITY that they are innos. Remember, twins can talk off thread at any time, negating the need for coded messages, no matter how shoddy they might be. Second, I don't think they are. I think it's more likely that Galain saw that code used elsewhere, as I have (I think I saw Yellow use it, don't remember what game though), and figured it was good enough as any to use to signal whatever partner he might have. However, if it were twin innos, I'd expect to see a code from Ruse to back him up. I found no such thing, leading me to believe that Galain could be a creature or symp, attempting to signal his master as to a good kill target. Ergo, now that Silanah has deigned to post something:
remove vote
vote Galain
EDIT: for clarity.
Ah, this is Fener's first reall contribution all game. I've quote every single post of his I would consider to have some merit in terms of content, and this is the only one that truly does something for the game and its progression. Yet, this is a flimsy argument to say the least. I do not buy it myself, and seeing how Galain has hardly been the most popular player so far, it's not such a revolutionizing thing to send a vote his way. Especially since he mentiones he could be one of two twins.. And that leads me onto something else entirely. What kind of inno would willingly reveal the code of someone else for all the evils to see? What the fuck is that? Thankfully the URSE code is obviously a bunch of nonsense, but Fener does not seem to think so. He accepts the two could be twins and still he REVEALS their code. No innocent would do this I think. It stinks.
So, at this point you probably think there's not much to go on here. This is indeed true but that is because Fener is completly void of any content at all. His participation has been without value and the innocent have as far as can be seen benefited from his presence at all. Having played mafia for a while you start noticing patterns of play that emerge again and again. The role of a carefull killer fits Fener like a glove.
But I don't think Fener is a killer.
I think Fener is a necromancer, and I think Kaschan is his partner.
Now comes the part I've been worrying over, but there's no other way to go about it. I am the Medium. My message to lisheo gave me very little apart from convincing me that he was not a symp. My message to Emurlahn on the other hand, yielded substansial results.
I asked Emurlahn whom they targeted for a night kill, knowing that the killers want the cult dead as much as the innocents do, if perhaps not more so. Emurlahn, trying to be sneaky said that he targeted either Kessobahn or Fener. He must be tearing his hair about not picking another alt there
.. But I was not targeted, so that leaves Fener, and it got me thinknin: If I was the necro, who would I target the first day? And it hit me I probably would've targeted myself. Night 1, trying to predict the night kills is nigh impossible unless there's been a reveal. By protecting themselves, the Necromancers insured they'd not fall to an unlucky shot. After all, with them gone the faction goes with them and they automatically lose the game. They still had one to use on someone else too.
I am convinced that Fener is the Necromancer, and when he comes up guilty, I believe we should go for Kaschan next, though here I have less to go on.
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