[Omtose]

Meh,. was going to do this as an edit, but better as new post.

I realize that the timing was made worse by me being drunk, but heh, I didn't when I was typing this and draining my last bottle of guiness. The wonders of an alcoholic haze... Yeey.

Will be back in 20 or so.

[Rashan]

Alright, listen up, I just woke up from a 3 hour nap. I have been at work for almost 30 hours straight, and I am really really tired. SO I am going to be short and sweet here. I am the executioner. My vote counts for 2. Thats why I removed my vote on the Galain lynch. I wasn't sure if the 2nd executioner had been killed. I put my vote back on, because I was convinced Galain was scum. I didn't vote D'riss that day, because I had promised to look at Galain, and by the time I was finished with my case I was convinced, and didn't give anyone else a single thought.

Now I haven't had time to do a Meanas case, and I am really not sure I am going to I actually started one, but I can't pin-point anything specific, besides Ruse following hm so quickly without explanation on the Serc train. Not sure really what it is about him I don't like. Sorry it wasn't as dramatic as I would have liked, but I believe we are close to end game, so I tought it might be best if I revealled. If you want more proof, how did I know that after voting D'riss night would happen? I mean if there wasn't
enough votes , then everyone would have removed theirs, and rethought me being D'riss's symp right? So I will be back in a hour, I am hungry, sorry to hold up the game, and I'll be back to answer questions if anyone has them.

[Meanas]

Rashan, on Feb 1 2009, 05:07 PM, said:

Alright, listen up, I just woke up from a 3 hour nap. I have been at work for almost 30 hours straight, and I am really really tired. SO I am going to be short and sweet here. I am the executioner. My vote counts for 2. Thats why I removed my vote on the Galain lynch. I wasn't sure if the 2nd executioner had been killed. I put my vote back on, because I was convinced Galain was scum. I didn't vote D'riss that day, because I had promised to look at Galain, and by the time I was finished with my case I was convinced, and didn't give anyone else a single thought.

Now I haven't had time to do a Meanas case, and I am really not sure I am going to I actually started one, but I can't pin-point anything specific, besides Ruse following hm so quickly without explanation on the Serc train. Not sure really what it is about him I don't like. Sorry it wasn't as dramatic as I would have liked, but I believe we are close to end game, so I tought it might be best if I revealled. If you want more proof, how did I know that after voting D'riss night would happen? I mean if there wasn't
enough votes , then everyone would have removed theirs, and rethought me being D'riss's symp right? So I will be back in a hour, I am hungry, sorry to hold up the game, and I'll be back to answer questions if anyone has them.

WOW that is a hell of a reveal when you ass is on the line. If I agree that you are the executioner then I have to ask myself why you would reveal when that opens you up to be killed at night. Unless your a symp executioner and your killer knows who you are, or you are just a plain symp and trying to draw the real executioner out into the open for your master to target tonight.

NOBODY counter reveal.

Frankly Rashan your reveal disturbs me on several levels. It does absolutely nothing to releave my suspicion of you. If you are an executioner symp (or a undead) then as I see it you are as dangerious as a killer. However if you are a inno then we have to lynch the killer now cause you will probably be dead tonight. In which case we will have lost OUR most powerful end of game role. So you can see why I have problems with you revealing right now. My mind has gone into WIFOM senerios and in none of those senerios is your revealing a good thing for the innos.

[Meanas]

Biggest possible reveal of the entire game and I am the only one on to discuss it. Well I will go get a bit to eat later guys.

[Hood's Path]

I here for a bit if anyone wants to discuss. I'm going back to look at some of the trains. I do remeber there being a couple of times where Rashan removed his vote due to worrying about the speed trains were building. You're right though even if he is the executioner he could be undead. Does anyone have anymore opinions on Ruse?

[Rashan]

I am back, if we get the killer today, then I can help lynch off everyone else, and get rid of the recruits, if not, well, at least you didn't waste your lynch on me, and then lose another inno to the NK. At worst the situation is reversed. We miss the killer and he NK's me. Of course, he might let me live because he thinks if he does I will be seen as his symp, and hope you lynch me tomorrow, but thats just foolish with my 2 votes. Ruse is way too aggresive to be a killer, like I said yesterday probably the symp, maybe not, but way too agressive for killer status. IMO.

[Hood's Path]

Well I just went back to look at the vote situations. It does add up vote wise for the Mockra and Galain, and Driss lynches. At the time of the Ano lynch we still had another double voter. We needed 7 votes for lynch, only 6 people cast a vote and Rashan wasn't one of them, but it was enough for the lynch.

[Omtose]

Hood's Path, on Feb 1 2009, 06:34 PM, said:

Well I just went back to look at the vote situations. It does add up vote wise for the Mockra and Galain, and Driss lynches. At the time of the Ano lynch we still had another double voter. We needed 7 votes for lynch, only 6 people cast a vote and Rashan wasn't one of them, but it was enough for the lynch.

Like HP, I did a count.

Day 1: 12 to lynch, 10 voted - Serc to bite it.
Liosan, Kaschan, D'riss, Meanas, Ruse, Raschan, Anomandaris, Korlat, Shadow, Omtose

Day 2: 11 to lynch, 10 voted, Fener died.
Kessobahn, Ruse, Galayn Lord, Liosan, HP, Meanas, D'riss, Mockra, Ampelas, Korlat.

Of these, we can scratch away Kessobahn (duh, medium), GL, HP, Mockra and Ampelas as potential double voters since they weren't on the train day 1... unless there are 3 double voters, of course, but I w0on't assume that.

Day 3: 9 to lynch, 8 voted (Kaschan)
Korlat, Silanah, Omtose, Thyrllan, Shadow, Liosan, HP, Meanas

Day 4: 9 to lynch, 8 voted (GL)
Liosan, Omtose, Meanas, HP, Korlat, Shadow, D'riss, Rashan

Rashan is a potential double voter, but it could well be that the other one was on the train too, that would have brought the tally up to 8, after all, before Rashan added his two.

Day 5 7 to lynch, 6 voted (Anomandaris lynched)
Omtose, Liosan, Galain, HP, Silanah, Meanas

so the second double voter is in this group, and it isn't Galain, for he wasn't there either day 1 or day 2. Korlat is now also disqualified as double voter for he wasn't on this one, and Ruse wasn't either, so he's no double voter, too.

Day 6: 7 to lynch, 6 voted once again (Mockra to die)
Rashan, Silanah, Ruse, D'riss, Galain, Omtose

So, if Rashan is speaking the truth, neither of the 5 who voted after him, are the second double voter. Based on the above pretty colours, we had established that for Ruse & Galain already, but didn't know for the others.

Day 7: 6 to lynch, 5 votes (Galain)
Silanah, Omtose, Rashan, Liosan, HP

Neither is Liosan, cause HP would not have needed to vote if he was the second double voter (assuming the mods only list the required number, and not everyone who voted before the lynch scene).

Day 8: 5 to lynch (D'riss died)
Liosan, Omtose, Meanas, Rashan

And here we have 4 votes, fo which Liosan and me are most certainly not the double voter.
Based on day 5, however, Meanas is. Sorry for revealing you, but since anyone can do the colouring, it is no longer a secret anyway.
Meanas may be a symp, so may Rashan, but I doubt either fo them is a killer, meaning there's 4 potential killers left:

Omtose, Liosan, Ruse, HP.

In my next post, I'll try to find out if Rashan can be lying. It's going to be a hell of a trip, but well...

[Meanas]

Rashan, on Feb 1 2009, 05:31 PM, said:

I am back, if we get the killer today, then I can help lynch off everyone else, and get rid of the recruits, if not, well, at least you didn't waste your lynch on me, and then lose another inno to the NK. At worst the situation is reversed. We miss the killer and he NK's me. Of course, he might let me live because he thinks if he does I will be seen as his symp, and hope you lynch me tomorrow, but thats just foolish with my 2 votes. Ruse is way too aggresive to be a killer, like I said yesterday probably the symp, maybe not, but way too agressive for killer status. IMO.

Actually the wcs that I am thinking of is that you are a double voting symp. We lynch an innocent and then it is game over tomorrow cause you and your killer will have enough votes between the two of you to finish the game off. That is why I would vote you off today. Because that would give us tomorrow to try and get your master.

[Omtose]

Some backwards counting.

If Rashan lies, then on day 8 it can be only 3 people - Liosan, Omtose, Meanas.

On day 7, Liosan or Omtose since Meanas did not vote.

On day 6, only I voted, not Liosan, nor Meanas.

I know it is not me, and this is confirmed on day 4, where I did vote, and so did Meanas - yet Rashan's vote was still required.
It thus cannot be Liosan or me if Meanas is a double voter, too, and we're (thus) both potential killers.

[Liosan]

So we have two double voters and a claim for two witches? Well one of you has got to be a symp. There is no way we had two witches and two double voters on our team. The killer is one of the other four, well i will leave my vote where it is, because if we pick the wrong bully, the game ends and i am happy with voting for omtose. There hasn't been enough evidence posted to convince me that hp or ruse are killers while omtose has enough suspicions about him to be worth a roll of the dice. The symp can't win without a master, omtose, i think you are that master.

[Meanas]

Omtose, on Feb 1 2009, 06:11 PM, said:

And here we have 4 votes, fo which Liosan and me are most certainly not the double voter.
Based on day 5, however, Meanas is. Sorry for revealing you, but since anyone can do the colouring, it is no longer a secret anyway.

Yeah I am the other double voter. I have known for the last couple of lynches that Rashan was the other one. That is why I made the huge case against him. Cause I know that I am not the symp or undead (you can't believe me) and I didn't want to out myself and make me a target for the killer. I knew that my role would be the winning role at the end of the game. As soon as Rashan pushed for Mockra's lynch then ignored D'riss I felt that I had him. It took me to long to try to make a case that wouldn't out me and so Rashan was able to take down Galain. I can't understand why Rashan would out himself at this point. Unless he thinks that his master is going to get lynched. As the only 2 people who have votes are Omtose and Ruse one of them has to be the killer. I thought that there was a small connection between Omtose and Rashan but Rashan could have been fake symping in order to keep his killer alive right now.

[Liosan]

I am not a double voter, so have I known that meanas is one since korlat died as those two were the only players other than me to be on every lynch and every lynch ended early. Thats since day 5.

[Omtose]

Liosan, on Feb 1 2009, 07:24 PM, said:

So we have two double voters and a claim for two witches? Well one of you has got to be a symp. There is no way we had two witches and two double voters on our team. The killer is one of the other four, well i will leave my vote where it is, because if we pick the wrong bully, the game ends and i am happy with voting for omtose. There hasn't been enough evidence posted to convince me that hp or ruse are killers while omtose has enough suspicions about him to be worth a roll of the dice. The symp can't win without a master, omtose, i think you are that master.

Fair enough... you have stated the why's and how's, and in your shoes, I may have done the same.
Also, there's fairly little I can say in defense - when a case is made on me, well... I can answer that, but the day 1 stuff is there all in black and white.
At the least, if we do have a vig (it's been ages since I last read the role descriptions), he knows which ones to throw a number for once I'm lynched.

Also, Liosan, does this now mean that you think D'riss was town?

[Meanas]

Omtose, on Feb 1 2009, 06:19 PM, said:

Some backwards counting.

If Rashan lies, then on day 8 it can be only 3 people - Liosan, Omtose, Meanas.

On day 7, Liosan or Omtose since Meanas did not vote.

On day 6, only I voted, not Liosan, nor Meanas.

I know it is not me, and this is confirmed on day 4, where I did vote, and so did Meanas - yet Rashan's vote was still required.
It thus cannot be Liosan or me if Meanas is a double voter, too, and we're (thus) both potential killers.

Ruse is the other potential killer.

[Meanas]

Omtose, on Feb 1 2009, 06:28 PM, said:

Liosan, on Feb 1 2009, 07:24 PM, said:

So we have two double voters and a claim for two witches? Well one of you has got to be a symp. There is no way we had two witches and two double voters on our team. The killer is one of the other four, well i will leave my vote where it is, because if we pick the wrong bully, the game ends and i am happy with voting for omtose. There hasn't been enough evidence posted to convince me that hp or ruse are killers while omtose has enough suspicions about him to be worth a roll of the dice. The symp can't win without a master, omtose, i think you are that master.

Fair enough... you have stated the why's and how's, and in your shoes, I may have done the same.
Also, there's fairly little I can say in defense - when a case is made on me, well... I can answer that, but the day 1 stuff is there all in black and white.
At the least, if we do have a vig (it's been ages since I last read the role descriptions), he knows which ones to throw a number for once I'm lynched.

Also, Liosan, does this now mean that you think D'riss was town?

Edited to add words.

There is no way that we could know if D'riss was town I personally think that he was a symp.

This post has been edited by Meanas: 01 February 2009 - 06:30 PM

[Omtose]

Liosan, on Feb 1 2009, 07:28 PM, said:

I am not a double voter, so have I known that meanas is one since korlat died as those two were the only players other than me to be on every lynch and every lynch ended early. Thats since day 5.

Heh, that means that i'm slow

[Hood's Path]

Well it's possible Rashan is trying to deflect attention with this reveal. I know he's short on time but that small case on Meanas was nothing much, especially since he had been going on about it for so long. Perhaps he was hoping that by telling us he was the executioner we wouldn't think of the possibility he could be undead and would take him at his word.

[Omtose]

Hood's Path, on Feb 1 2009, 07:30 PM, said:

Well it's possible Rashan is trying to deflect attention with this reveal. I know he's short on time but that small case on Meanas was nothing much, especially since he had been going on about it for so long. Perhaps he was hoping that by telling us he was the executioner we wouldn't think of the possibility he could be undead and would take him at his word.

ehm, why would he be undead?

[Liosan]

Omtose, on Feb 1 2009, 06:28 PM, said:

Liosan, on Feb 1 2009, 07:24 PM, said:

So we have two double voters and a claim for two witches? Well one of you has got to be a symp. There is no way we had two witches and two double voters on our team. The killer is one of the other four, well i will leave my vote where it is, because if we pick the wrong bully, the game ends and i am happy with voting for omtose. There hasn't been enough evidence posted to convince me that hp or ruse are killers while omtose has enough suspicions about him to be worth a roll of the dice. The symp can't win without a master, omtose, i think you are that master.

Fair enough... you have stated the why's and how's, and in your shoes, I may have done the same.
Also, there's fairly little I can say in defense - when a case is made on me, well... I can answer that, but the day 1 stuff is there all in black and white.
At the least, if we do have a vig (it's been ages since I last read the role descriptions), he knows which ones to throw a number for once I'm lynched.

Also, Liosan, does this now mean that you think D'riss was town?

I voted mockra off because i thought he was the symp if you remember correctly. I voted driss off because he counter revealed and we had no way to prove it wasnt a set up, not because i thought he was a symp.