[Ruse]

You fucking cunts DONT GET IT. If there is even the slightest possibility that someone has a 2 vote swing. And i am a killer. I WILL INVETIGATE! Jesus christ!. This is potentially a critical point that you all choose to fucking ignore! What the Fuck! Do you not want any ideas to fine killers? For Fuck sakes. I am going to bed. See you narrow minded mentals on monday i am done wastingw my time

[Thyrllan]

Im sorry, but I "get" what you're trying to say.
However, just because shadow died does not mean that he fingered the killers.
Maybe they already knew their symp from clues, and therefore knew shadow wasn't.
Maybe they chose him to fuck with us.
Maybe you are scum and did it with the intention of then getting an easy lynch.
There are many options. Focusing on one gives us a massive chance of being wrong.
And just because it is something you would do, doesn't mean its something the scum did, unless they are one and the same.

[Meanas]

Ruse, on Jan 31 2009, 01:27 AM, said:

You fucking cunts DONT GET IT. If there is even the slightest possibility that someone has a 2 vote swing. And i am a killer. I WILL INVETIGATE! Jesus christ!. This is potentially a critical point that you all choose to fucking ignore! What the Fuck! Do you not want any ideas to fine killers? For Fuck sakes. I am going to bed. See you narrow minded mentals on monday i am done wastingw my time

Ummmm why would a killer invetigate? Wouldn't a killer kill someone who had a 2 vote swing? Someone still has a 2 vote swing unless it was silanah. There was a 2 voter on Galain's train. So even if Shadow was a 2 voter then there is still one left. Of course if he wasn't then WE HAVE NO CLUE WHAT PEOPLE ARE? SHADOW DIDN'T SAY THAT HE WAS A 2 VOTER. ALL WE HAVE IS THE EVIDENCE BEFORE US. HAVING A REMAINING 2 VOTER FOR THE INNO'S WOULD BE VERY HANDY IT IS A POWERFUL ROLE AT END OF GAME, BUT SHIT IS DONE SO LETS FIND THE KILLER AND BE DONE WITH IT. UNLESS THERE IS STILL NECROS OUT THERE IN WHICH CASE LETS FIND THEM AND BE DONE WITH IT.

What do you think about my case on Rashan? Anybody?


Edit: Also Mental has been lynched. So you won't be seeing him on monday unless you die this weekend or the game ends.

This post has been edited by Meanas: 31 January 2009 - 12:40 AM

[Ruse]

Thyrllan, on Jan 31 2009, 12:52 AM, said:

Not only that but there's a large possibility shadow was killed to cause confusion, which you are certainly aiding by insisting that therefore anyone fingered by him is scum.

all i have been doin is trying to find scum. All you have been doing is writing everything i say off as rubbish. Actions speak alot louder than words. You wont even entertain the fact that i even might be right. Bah... Good night all. My hangover awaits.

[Meanas]

Ruse, on Jan 31 2009, 01:40 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 31 2009, 12:52 AM, said:

Not only that but there's a large possibility shadow was killed to cause confusion, which you are certainly aiding by insisting that therefore anyone fingered by him is scum.

all i have been doin is trying to find scum. All you have been doing is writing everything i say off as rubbish. Actions speak alot louder than words. You wont even entertain the fact that i even might be right. Bah... Good night all. My hangover awaits.

What about my case and my points? Hello!

[Meanas]

Ok if no one is around then I am going to go.

Night all

[Ruse]

Sorry all, was rather pissed Last night. Please Excuse my abrasive behavior.

[Ruse]

All i was trying to do is put forward possible ideas at narrowing the field at finding scum. And i get attacked left right and centre. So ill just keep my idea's to myself from now on i think.

[Liosan]

OK, now that you two have finished another shouting match!

vote driss

I have been thinking about this, all be it slightly drunk and now hungover, but i think we need to remove him now. If meanas case is good i might swap to rashan because either driss is a killer and gambled to make it to the end, or the killers think he is their symp and want him to survive. Either way he should have went yersterday and if galain hadnt been a suspect of mine since day 1 i would have tried to swing that lynch back the other way.

[Liosan]

Post omtose! let me hear your brain cogs churning!

[Liosan]

hmmm i can see you reading the thread, omtose.

edit - heading out now, didnt want a bunch of posts in a row

This post has been edited by Liosan: 31 January 2009 - 11:09 AM

[Omtose]

Since we're nearing end-game and I'll soon be swinging from a chandelier in the staircase of the Haunted House, I've decided to post some thoughts.

I think currently, Liosan is becoming slightly more suspicious to me as a psycho. Not enough to warrant a lynch, mind you, but worth considering.

He's been fairly active, but not as rabid as he can be when he wants. I've been very unwilling to say this before as it is both meta based on alt-guess and potentially dangerous, but it has been screaming 'Liosan is roled!' to me throughout the game. So, that's assumption number 1, and I will use this assumption for the remainder of the post.

Let's see what he did (with that assumption in mind):
He created the day 1 lynch, which was the best case at the time (and a good one for day 1), but it gathered steam very fast and he seemed quite displeased by that.
Maybe the displeasure was because of tunnelvision from the crowd, maybe it was because he now found himself standing in the limelight.

After that, he didn't do a lot of remarkable stuff during day 2 and day 3 - and why not - we had the Morgoth reveal and a good number of potential lynches, and I can hardly call the pot black for that cause I'm the kettle Day 3, he questioned me why I was now playing so focused, and he labelled me a potential killer due to it - my reply was rather of the standard variety (haven't spotted anyone who's really killerish), but when he went for Anomandaris (of whom I am still convinced he's cult), he went for mopping up the cult as well... something which he had just the day before said that it benefitted the killers as much as it did the town.

About the only other thing that's becoming remarkable is the presentation of lynch lists. I, to a certain extent, roll with that - Galain, Tennes, me, and Anomandaris featured on mine. What we see is, Liosan is keeping his, and is continuously expanding it. Mockra, D'riss, Galain, me, all feature on it and even now, with 5 votes required for a lynch, he has 2 people that are 'must lynches.'

Dangerous, cause with 8 players and 2 for-ordained lynches and 2 night kills, we get to the stage where we have 4 people left. Symp + killer then win the game, people. Not good. I'd say that the chance that there are 2 psycho's still remaining, is decent. After all, 23 people and a warning that a team can have multiple symps in the role list and I think you can make the same deduction that I do: there's 1 confirmed killer around, and who have we lynched for symping so far? No-one.

Now, I can of course be wrong, and D'riss could very well be scum so following Liosan's plan will buy us a day. I really wish you guys had lynched me before, or vigged if we had one, just because I am a must lynch, and thus, give the killer a free night to excersize his practice

Mind you, this isn't much of a case, but consider it a warning.

At the same time, I'm very well aware that this could also be considered a symping attempt of D'riss, or trying to save my own skin, so maybe all I did was reinforcing your opinion that D'riss and I do have to go

[Omtose]

Liosan, on Jan 31 2009, 11:48 AM, said:

Post omtose! let me hear your brain cogs churning!

Slow brain is slow, but I did churn something out

[Liosan]

Omtose, on Jan 31 2009, 11:09 AM, said:

Since we're nearing end-game and I'll soon be swinging from a chandelier in the staircase of the Haunted House, I've decided to post some thoughts.

I think currently, Liosan is becoming slightly more suspicious to me as a psycho. Not enough to warrant a lynch, mind you, but worth considering.

He's been fairly active, but not as rabid as he can be when he wants. I've been very unwilling to say this before as it is both meta based on alt-guess and potentially dangerous, but it has been screaming 'Liosan is roled!' to me throughout the game. So, that's assumption number 1, and I will use this assumption for the remainder of the post.

Let's see what he did (with that assumption in mind):
He created the day 1 lynch, which was the best case at the time (and a good one for day 1), but it gathered steam very fast and he seemed quite displeased by that.
Maybe the displeasure was because of tunnelvision from the crowd, maybe it was because he now found himself standing in the limelight.

After that, he didn't do a lot of remarkable stuff during day 2 and day 3 - and why not - we had the Morgoth reveal and a good number of potential lynches, and I can hardly call the pot black for that cause I'm the kettle Day 3, he questioned me why I was now playing so focused, and he labelled me a potential killer due to it - my reply was rather of the standard variety (haven't spotted anyone who's really killerish), but when he went for Anomandaris (of whom I am still convinced he's cult), he went for mopping up the cult as well... something which he had just the day before said that it benefitted the killers as much as it did the town.

About the only other thing that's becoming remarkable is the presentation of lynch lists. I, to a certain extent, roll with that - Galain, Tennes, me, and Anomandaris featured on mine. What we see is, Liosan is keeping his, and is continuously expanding it. Mockra, D'riss, Galain, me, all feature on it and even now, with 5 votes required for a lynch, he has 2 people that are 'must lynches.'

Dangerous, cause with 8 players and 2 for-ordained lynches and 2 night kills, we get to the stage where we have 4 people left. Symp + killer then win the game, people. Not good. I'd say that the chance that there are 2 psycho's still remaining, is decent. After all, 23 people and a warning that a team can have multiple symps in the role list and I think you can make the same deduction that I do: there's 1 confirmed killer around, and who have we lynched for symping so far? No-one.

Now, I can of course be wrong, and D'riss could very well be scum so following Liosan's plan will buy us a day. I really wish you guys had lynched me before, or vigged if we had one, just because I am a must lynch, and thus, give the killer a free night to excersize his practice

Mind you, this isn't much of a case, but consider it a warning.

At the same time, I'm very well aware that this could also be considered a symping attempt of D'riss, or trying to save my own skin, so maybe all I did was reinforcing your opinion that D'riss and I do have to go

Frankly it's about fucking time someone made a case on me, i think i have had one vote this game and my message to path-shaper after last night was along the lines of "what the fuck is going on?" but then i feel like i am being overshadowed by some exceptionally loud and poor play. There seem to be a lot fo players purposefully jumping up and down and making noise with little ryhme or reason and its ruinging our chances.

That said i havent had access for large parts of the game and so havent had the opportunity to turn into my usual angry self and have been fairly off put by the anger shown on thread and how i felt it was detrimental to our team so purposefully bit back when i was going to go off on someone, except for that one rant day, but i was having a very bad day that day and couldn't help myself

As far as the lynch lists go, you know i am stubborn. There are certain cardinal rules that should always be followed and while others are ignoring them, i won't. There are only two poeple on it though, you and driss. So if you are innocent then just wtf where you doing on day1? You know yourself that come this stage the fact that you are still alive is going to ring alarm bells, because we have to look at all the behaviour throughout and wonder just what the fuck you were up to. You really hope at this point in the game that we have clear suspects, but the last two days have turned into every single person throwing out two suspects, it is worse than day 1.

Rest assured though, omtose, at some point as a killer i would have made myself a target, because i would have needed to know who my symps are. that is why day 1 rp as a killer is so ludicriously dangerous (as an inno) and why you and galain are on my list as it gave you the perfect opportunity to scope out who defends you and who attacks you. Mockra and driss were added when they both revealed, mockra had to go first because there was a possibility he was symping emurlahn day 1.

So now we are at a critical phase and i think given the turn from driss yesterday to a different suspect of mine, he has leapfrogged you in my list to top.

[Liosan]

and then you were gone

[Omtose]

Liosan, on Jan 31 2009, 12:46 PM, said:

and then you were gone

Yeah, sorry. Had to go shopping.

As to your reply:

There are indeed cardinal rules, but several times (the day after Anomandaris' lynch for example, yesterday) I have advocated that lynching me then was a good day.
I stated day 3 that I was living on borrowed time - all that to make sure that everyone with half a brain knew I was aware of what I had done. No-one picked it up. Ever. In the words of Ruse: saying it and doing it are two different things - possibly implying there that I'd have to self-vote?

As to the why: simply put, I'm an RI and I thought that with 23 players around, I could try and see how far it would carry me, as an experiment in pushing one of the great traditions of Malazan mafia.
You know, one of those games where you blow yourself up for fun and laughs and a bit of testing of a new playstyle.

I had also hoped that my diving under day 2 would attract killer/creature attention, thinking I was roled and abusing that tradition. Sadly, I'm a far too good to keep around for the killers - lynchable, suspicious, and the longer I live, the more I'll appear as a killer.

As for the cardinal rules, we are now in a stage of the game where we simply can't afford to be wrong for 2 days in a row That's the danger with how things stand. I'll agree though that D'riss was fairly eager to counterclaim witch and PI'ed himself through it without much of an examination... that's worth a vote.

So,

Vote D'riss.

However, in all honesty, I doubt the killers would have gotten one symp/witch, as seems to be one of the theories surrounding the possibility of 2 witches.
The use of the witch ability would indeed have blocked a recruit, it would however also have slowed down the killer's own ability to further their victory condition. It would have been a double-edged sword at all times, and frankly, I think using it would have hurt the killers more than aided them.

[Thyrllan]

Ruse, on Jan 31 2009, 09:57 AM, said:

All i was trying to do is put forward possible ideas at narrowing the field at finding scum. And i get attacked left right and centre. So ill just keep my idea's to myself from now on i think.

I am willing to accept it as a possibility, you could be right.
But what I was essentially trying to say is that its not 100% certain, and im not willing to vote over that.

Im just gonna go read meanas' case.

[Thyrllan]

RE case on rashan:

I think the main thing is he strongly defends D'riss, by saying lynch one then the other, which is fairly standard play, and then completely ignoring D'riss next day.
That strikes me as odd.

As for some of the other stuff, such as the we lynched korlat bit, I think that could just be down to a mistaken memory, perhaps.

[Path-Shaper]

it is day 8, 36 hours left weekend freeze is in effect

8 people are still alive (Hood's Path, Ruse, Lioasan, Meanas, Omtose, D'riss, Thyrllan, Rashan)

takes 5 votes to lynch or 4 to go to night

1 vote for Ruse (Thyrllan)
2 votes for D'riss (Liosan, Omtose)

5 people have not voted (Hood's Path, Ruse, Meanas, D'riss, Rashan)

[Liosan]

Quiet weekend