[Thyrllan]

Ruse, on Jan 30 2009, 11:17 PM, said:

Hmmm. I thought thyr had more grew matter than what if is showing now. I am very concerned sincee i feel he is being purposefully so. My logical deduction was fairly simple. And your failure to comprehend it is rather alarming. I don't understand how you all think that i was trying to 'derail the galain lynch' ! For Fuck sakes! He has been one of my main suspects the entire fucking game!x i mean COME ON! The only reason i voted rashan is because i made a list of possible suspects and he acted strangly.

Im sorry, but dont understand what you're saying here. The underlined makes no sense that I can see.

My main problem with you, which leads me to suspect you is that you say that shadow listed him as a suspect. He voted you last. It just seemed like a really weak excuse to jump on to me.

[Thyrllan]

The other thing is your deduction relied on the shadow fingering the killer, and therefore the killer knowing he wasn't the symp.
Except I dont think this is massively strong. They may just think he's distancing etc.
I doubt there was a kill based purely on that, because it'd be so easy to get wrong, the amount of people getting fingered, as well as possible distancing.

[Ruse]

To contineu... I am really worried at thyr. I thought you were better than this. You really don't undertand what i was trying to say? I won't fucking explain again. You seem to me to be jumping to rashans defence there a bit. I mean my vote was not really that threatenning. But you have come flying out of the closet and attacked me for what? Making an attempt at finding scum? I freely ADMITTED i was one of shadows suspects! And still made my case. Like i fcking care? I am looking for scum goddammit!

[Thyrllan]

Ruse, on Jan 30 2009, 03:05 PM, said:

Oh....and

Vote Rashan

He is on the list of people shadow thought scum.
And he didnt react well to my little logical deduction either.
Put some pressure on the fella.

Your logical deduction is essentially:

Shadow was killed.
Scum were therefore sure he isn't a symp.
Therefore, he has attacked them.

Well, first off there are a few flaws in this deduction.

1. Possible distancing. Symps aren't always ridiculously obvious.
2. Shadow was making cases, and being fairly helpful generally. This is generally considered inno behaviour.

So to begin with I feel its a fairly bad thing to attack on.
Then there is the fact that he's not the only one shadow pointed fingers at, so im not really seeing why him.

I understand what you're trying to say.
I just think that its fairly weak.
Then you leave for some time after stating your piece of logic, without voting at the time. Then you come back and vote, just as a train on galain is going.

[Ruse]

@Thyr post 2312... Let me explain my thinking YET AGAIN. Shadow was pointed out as having 2 votes by silanah. Now this is VERY important. Since shadow was killed the very night this came to light! A killer would not kill a person that has a two vote advantage without being very certain he isn't their symp! You say 'distancing' but i am sorry, a symp need not distance himself from his master. In fact his job is to try give clues! So the killers would have to have picked up that shadow is def not their symp.

[Ruse]

Its not fucking rocket science.

[Thyrllan]

Symps do not want to be obviously symping, or it will draw attention to the masters, which is fail for them.
Therefore, distancing.

As for picking up definete not symp, I doubt it, just based on attacks.
I mean, shadow didn't push anyone so hard that it was obvious it was his sole aim to see them destroyed or whatever, so I don't think he pushed anyone hard enough they could write him off as not a symp. I mean, at one point or another, everyone has probably raised everyone else for one reason or another.

Also, why believe silanah. AFAIR he didn't have concrete evidence, just what he thought, and since he's died too, I doubt scum thought he was symp.

[Thyrllan]

Not only that but there's a large possibility shadow was killed to cause confusion, which you are certainly aiding by insisting that therefore anyone fingered by him is scum.

[Rashan]

Ruse, on Jan 30 2009, 06:17 PM, said:

Hmmm. I thought thyr had more grew matter than what if is showing now. I am very concerned sincee i feel he is being purposefully so. My logical deduction was fairly simple. And your failure to comprehend it is rather alarming. I don't understand how you all think that i was trying to 'derail the galain lynch' ! For Fuck sakes! He has been one of my main suspects the entire fucking game!x i mean COME ON! The only reason i voted rashan is because i made a list of possible suspects and he acted strangly.

Drunk post

Ruse, on Jan 30 2009, 06:28 PM, said:

To contineu... I am really worried at thyr. I thought you were better than this. You really don't undertand what i was trying to say? I won't fucking explain again. You seem to me to be jumping to rashans defence there a bit. I mean my vote was not really that threatenning. But you have come flying out of the closet and attacked me for what? Making an attempt at finding scum? I freely ADMITTED i was one of shadows suspects! And still made my case. Like i fcking care? I am looking for scum goddammit!

Drunk post

Ruse, on Jan 30 2009, 06:45 PM, said:

@Thyr post 2312... Let me explain my thinking YET AGAIN. Shadow was pointed out as having 2 votes by silanah. Now this is VERY important. Since shadow was killed the very night this came to light! A killer would not kill a person that has a two vote advantage without being very certain he isn't their symp! You say 'distancing' but i am sorry, a symp need not distance himself from his master. In fact his job is to try give clues! So the killers would have to have picked up that shadow is def not their symp.

Not Drunk post, I am tired and going to bed, I got all weekend to make a case on Meanas, may take that long as I am going to be really drunk tomorrow!

[Thyrllan]

Ruse, on Jan 30 2009, 11:47 PM, said:

Its not fucking rocket science.

Makes about as much sense to me though

[Thyrllan]

Anyhow, anyone else on think that Ruse makes sense?
Personally, I cant see it.
Its just not so cut and dried for me, he dies, therefore someone he attacked is scum.

[Thyrllan]

And no, please dont bother explaining it again.
I understand your reasoning, I just dont think it works.

[Ruse]

@thyr post 2304. Are you mental? I have said from day 1 that i think it very likey galain is scum. Jeezuz! You do know that galain was the fucking front runner on shadows list right? I mean when i said. 'myself, galain, silanah, rashan and d'riss where the people most likely to kill shadow' i fucking meant it, and that when i said that is where we should look, that it means those are my main suspects. I mean shall i spell it out for you? Defend galain? Like hell! Is it illegat to put pressure on rashan?

[Meanas]

Ruse, on Jan 31 2009, 01:01 AM, said:

@thyr post 2304. Are you mental? I have said from day 1 that i think it very likey galain is scum. Jeezuz! You do know that galain was the fucking front runner on shadows list right? I mean when i said. 'myself, galain, silanah, rashan and d'riss where the people most likely to kill shadow' i fucking meant it, and that when i said that is where we should look, that it means those are my main suspects. I mean shall i spell it out for you? Defend galain? Like hell! Is it illegat to put pressure on rashan?

I really hate to get involved in this but Mental was Mockra and we lynched him. Thyrllan is Pepsi boy.

[Ruse]

Thyrllan, on Jan 31 2009, 12:58 AM, said:

Anyhow, anyone else on think that Ruse makes sense? Personally, I cant see it. Its just not so cut and dried for me, he dies, therefore someone he attacked is scum.

put yourself in the killer shoes. You fine out someone could have a double vote. Nice one! Is he a symp? Only way you can know is if he attacked you in some way.
Oh god...just nevermind.

[Thyrllan]

Your logic makes NO FUCKING SENSE.
You are saying:

Silanah, without evidence, says shadow has 2 votes.

Shadow dies, so is therefore pointing fingers at scum, since they must know he's not the symp.

Well done. Scum try to avoid hitting symp.
But thats the same with every single fucking NK, it doesnt mean that everyone who dies pointed a finger at scum.

Not only that, but why would the killers be so sure he was symp. He wasn't massively agressive, and it is not unheard of for symps to distance, since if they're too obvious it gives away the master.

The killers also most likely picked a kill that would mess with us as much as possible. They have obviously achieved this, and you are just playing into their hands by making it worse.
Trying to second guess why people were NK'd is not a good basis for stuff.

Oh, and scum distance aswell.
Yes, you did attack Galain from day one. Thats convinient when it comes to justifying why it seems like you tried to de-rail, isnt it.

[Thyrllan]

Meanas, on Jan 31 2009, 12:05 AM, said:

Ruse, on Jan 31 2009, 01:01 AM, said:

@thyr post 2304. Are you mental? I have said from day 1 that i think it very likey galain is scum. Jeezuz! You do know that galain was the fucking front runner on shadows list right? I mean when i said. 'myself, galain, silanah, rashan and d'riss where the people most likely to kill shadow' i fucking meant it, and that when i said that is where we should look, that it means those are my main suspects. I mean shall i spell it out for you? Defend galain? Like hell! Is it illegat to put pressure on rashan?

I really hate to get involved in this but Mental was Mockra and we lynched him. Thyrllan is Pepsi boy.

[Thyrllan]

Ruse, on Jan 31 2009, 12:08 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 31 2009, 12:58 AM, said:

Anyhow, anyone else on think that Ruse makes sense? Personally, I cant see it. Its just not so cut and dried for me, he dies, therefore someone he attacked is scum.

put yourself in the killer shoes. You fine out someone could have a double vote. Nice one! Is he a symp? Only way you can know is if he attacked you in some way.
Oh god...just nevermind.

Put myself in the killers shoes.

Recognising a symp is not nearly so easy as check if he's attacked you.
Everyone has probably pointed fingers at everyone by now.
If someone blatantly avoided or defended someone, it looks bad, and gives away the master.
Therefore, I doubt the killers would instantly think, he's attacking me a little so cant be my symp.

What I find much more likely is that they picked shadow because that is what would fuck us up most.
Or that they picked shadow so that they could get certain people pushed on, and keep attention away from them.

If this was their intention, then you are just playing into their hands.

This post has been edited by Thyrllan: 31 January 2009 - 12:13 AM

[Thyrllan]

Anyhow, it is a pointless discussion if you are just going to continue reposting the same explanation.
I have explained why I do not agree with it.

[Meanas]

It makes no difference why the killers picked Shadow this is why NK are WIFOM. I am more interested why Rashan deliberately avoided doing what he said he was going to do and lynch D'riss after Mockra. Hey I have a good idea lets keep a possible undead/symp who might have faked revealing so as to set up the real Witch (Don't totally buy that noob shit) plus I remember some games were noobs did that kind of thing. Rashan has lied and make blatant mistakes. D'riss is a counter-revealing possible symp. Omtose is a possible killer who revealed on day one didn't get lynched and has been using his so called fake reveal the entire game to stay alive (If he is really the killer it was a brilliant move and I will give him the man of the game award). That is what we should be talking about not why Shadow was killed.