[Galain]

Urm, so Ruse thinks that Omtose and I are scum, without providing too much (any) information.

I'm guessing it has something to do with us messing around in the RP.

Which is weird.

vote Ruse

Please explain yourself. If you can provide some actual justification I'd be willing to remove this vote, but you've yet to do that. Throwing out names without real substantiation is scummy.

[Omtose]

Ruse, on Jan 29 2009, 09:28 AM, said:

I dont get you people.
My reaction to the reveal?...

Seriously?....

I think Omtose and Shadow need to explain themselves.
What was so bad about my "recation the the reveal".

Being Aggressive/abrasive?
IM ALWAYS AGGRESSIVE ...

Being confused at why mockra (if inno) would reveal?
WHY THE FUCK WOULD HE?? MAKES NO SENSE. unless he is scum.

Not wanting to vote for the symps
VOTE THE SYMPS AS A LAST RESORT is all i am saying.

Please explain to me how i am all of the sudden being labelled a fucking symp...who am i protecting?
All i have been saying is that these two, D'riss and Mockra, one of them could be symps. As long as its not do or die we should perhaps go looking for killers, or at least discuss more before we have another 8 hour day.

CF doesnt matter with regards to these two anyway as they both would have turned up inno even if they were symps.

I need to explain myself, for what?
Also, care to answer the questions I asked? You conveniently skip over them and start making demands.
Going into overdrive much? Also, i never mentioned your reaction to the reveal.

Secondly, I get tired of people assuming symp = defending.
I already said before (post 1987):

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Why are you voting for a suspected symp? Who is he protecting? Who hasn't he fingered. (get your mind out of the gutter!)

I don't think he is protecting. I think he's done some maths and has come to the conclusion that we're running out of necromancers
Perfect time for the symp to start getting team inno to lynch amongst itself and start pointing out targets - and a very safe start is middle-of-the-roaders or people previously accused. The double witch-reveal also lends itself to the natural causing of suspicions.

As for why vote for a possible symp?

Lemme see. First and foremost, right now, I haven't spotted someone who behaves killer-ish, which would of course be the best choice, so I'll have to settle for a secondary target. nWe've run out of the logical lynching chain for the cult, too. Secondary targets are symps, I'd say - and failing those, well, pressuring inactive people into contributing or leaving the middle of the road.

Right now, the people I'd like to see more contribution of are D'riss, Galain, Thyrllan - but none of them has been very suspicious imho so far.
HP - maybe scum, but probably not.

Actually, I see today as an interim day, we can afford to be wrong in our lynchtarget I think, especially if we have taken care of the Creature.
That makes today an ideal day to take care of people who rubbed others wrongly... and I guess I belong on that list, as well, thanks to my day 1 behaviour. Actually, of the list I made earlier of 'town must lynch these cause they're behaving too suspiciously' list, only myself and Galain are still alive.

There, all my reasoning laid out for your reading pleasure. Feel free to answer to it.

Also, saying you're aggressive doesn't make you aggressive. I've just seen you demanding stuff from people - I call that demanding. Aggressive is making cases. Haven't seen you do that, up until now.

[Ruse]

Galain, on Jan 29 2009, 08:36 AM, said:

Urm, so Ruse thinks that Omtose and I are scum, without providing too much (any) information.

I'm guessing it has something to do with us messing around in the RP.

Which is weird.

vote Ruse

Please explain yourself. If you can provide some actual justification I'd be willing to remove this vote, but you've yet to do that. Throwing out names without real substantiation is scummy.

So you will place a vote on someone purely because they THINK you might be scum?
Is that how we play this game now?

You guys are now fishing for a easy lynch?


As i said i have suspected you guys from day one...but note where my vote lies.
You cant even handle me SUSPECTING you, I can only imagine what you two would do if i had placed a vote!!
I have no case because, especially you galain, have seemed to me to have dropped off the radar.
I have nothing but gut....hence no votes on you guys.
Looks like you guys are scared of a little attention, heh?

[Ruse]

Omtose, on Jan 29 2009, 08:38 AM, said:

Ruse, on Jan 29 2009, 09:28 AM, said:

I dont get you people.
My reaction to the reveal?...

Seriously?....

I think Omtose and Shadow need to explain themselves.
What was so bad about my "recation the the reveal".

Being Aggressive/abrasive?
IM ALWAYS AGGRESSIVE ...

Being confused at why mockra (if inno) would reveal?
WHY THE FUCK WOULD HE?? MAKES NO SENSE. unless he is scum.

Not wanting to vote for the symps
VOTE THE SYMPS AS A LAST RESORT is all i am saying.

Please explain to me how i am all of the sudden being labelled a fucking symp...who am i protecting?
All i have been saying is that these two, D'riss and Mockra, one of them could be symps. As long as its not do or die we should perhaps go looking for killers, or at least discuss more before we have another 8 hour day.

CF doesnt matter with regards to these two anyway as they both would have turned up inno even if they were symps.

I need to explain myself, for what?
Also, care to answer the questions I asked? You conveniently skip over them and start making demands. which questions?
Going into overdrive much? Also, i never mentioned your reaction to the reveal. I was not talking to YOU only there are other people who mentioned this

Secondly, I get tired of people assuming symp = defending.
I already said before (post 1987):

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Why are you voting for a suspected symp? Who is he protecting? Who hasn't he fingered. (get your mind out of the gutter!)

I don't think he is protecting. I think he's done some maths and has come to the conclusion that we're running out of necromancers the very same could be said of you! there is a reveal and counter reveal, yet look who you are voting for???
Perfect time for the symp to start getting team inno to lynch amongst itself and start pointing out targets - and a very safe start is middle-of-the-roaders or people previously accused. The double witch-reveal also lends itself to the natural causing of suspicions.

As for why vote for a possible symp?

Lemme see. First and foremost, right now, I haven't spotted someone who behaves killer-ish, which would of course be the best choice, so I'll have to settle for a secondary target. nWe've run out of the logical lynching chain for the cult, too. Secondary targets are symps, I'd say - and failing those, well, pressuring inactive people into contributing or leaving the middle of the road.

Right now, the people I'd like to see more contribution of are D'riss, Galain, Thyrllan - but none of them has been very suspicious imho so far.
HP - maybe scum, but probably not.

Actually, I see today as an interim day, we can afford to be wrong in our lynchtarget I think, especially if we have taken care of the Creature.
That makes today an ideal day to take care of people who rubbed others wrongly... and I guess I belong on that list, as well, thanks to my day 1 behaviour. Actually, of the list I made earlier of 'town must lynch these cause they're behaving too suspiciously' list, only myself and Galain are still alive.

There, all my reasoning laid out for your reading pleasure. Feel free to answer to it.

Also, saying you're aggressive doesn't make you aggressive. I've just seen you demanding stuff from people - I call that demanding. Aggressive is making cases. Haven't seen you do that, up until now.
As i have said i got no time to read through the entire thread making cases...sorry but its true, hence i have to be "demanding" and put pressure on people i converse with.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 29 January 2009 - 08:49 AM

[Omtose]

Ruse, on Jan 29 2009, 09:41 AM, said:

Galain, on Jan 29 2009, 08:36 AM, said:

Urm, so Ruse thinks that Omtose and I are scum, without providing too much (any) information.

I'm guessing it has something to do with us messing around in the RP.

Which is weird.

vote Ruse

Please explain yourself. If you can provide some actual justification I'd be willing to remove this vote, but you've yet to do that. Throwing out names without real substantiation is scummy.

So you will place a vote on someone purely because they THINK you might be scum?
Is that how we play this game now?

You guys are now fishing for a easy lynch?


As i said i have suspected you guys from day one...but note where my vote lies.
You cant even handle me SUSPECTING you, I can only imagine what you two would do if i had placed a vote!!
I have no case because, especially you galain, have seemed to me to have dropped off the radar.
I have nothing but gut....hence no votes on you guys.
Looks like you guys are scared of a little attention, heh?

Blablablah.

More posturing and bouncing the ball back. I really don't see what you're trying to win here, given that I've answered every question and have taken care to explain myself when asked to provide one. Give substance, damn it. I've so far answered you, re-quoted myself why i think you are a symp - haven't seen anything from you aside from a mention to day 1, which i already answered in reply to Liosan.

Also, nice how you're still saying that i tried to make a side-exit from the stage throughout the game - when I did so day 2, and readily admitted it. My contribution yesterday was limited, because I was in a church for 8 hours listening to speeches, and on a train 2 hours before and after that, all without net-access. As I said the night before that.

Now, I do realise you will try to explain this forthcoming policy as 'being nervous' but if I didn't answer, you'd say I was 'trying to dodge your questions by ignoring them!' so I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't - not that it matters one bit, cause if you get your way, I'm condemned to swing on a rope regardless

However, I have nothing to hide, so I choose to answer and prove it.

[Ruse]

You guys are condemning me because i THINK you might be scum....thats the bottom line.
There is a much stronger case for mockra being a symp, yet you chose to ignore that fact and stink finger me?

Bah...

[Ruse]

I can understand your guys hostility (omtose/galain) , but i really dont understand how shadow jumps out of left field and piggy backs on Omtose to vote for me.

I think allot of what i have said has also stemmed directly from Shadows vote and what he has said. And have have somewhat coupled that into my retorts to you, omtose. Take that into mind, if you will.

[Omtose]

To your little answers in red:

1st red bit: these questions:

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Now, after you dismiss my post above as OMGUS, care to point out how I'm scum, why I'm scum, what kind of scum I am, and especially where I am trying to be inconspicuous?

Second red bit, where you said you weren't talking to me.

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I think Omtose and Shadow need to explain themselves.
What was so bad about my "recation the the reveal".

Direct quote, followed by a hard enter. Forgive me for thinking that I need to explain myself on my non-existent comments on your reaction to the reveal - because, you know, they are directly underneath my name and a wish for me to explain myself.

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the very same could be said of you! there is a reveal and counter reveal, yet look who you are voting for???

I explained that in my quote of post 1987, see a few posts above this one. Also, why should we lynch either of them if there is no CF to tell us we hit scum? In the worst case, we've lynched 2 inno's and have committed to tunnel vision - in an equally bad case, we might lynch one inno then get derailed again tomorrow before we lynch the symp. In both cases, we do the dirty work for team evil.

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As i have said i got no time to read through the entire thread making cases...sorry but its true, hence i have to be "demanding" and put pressure on people i converse with.

If that's true, then it's unfortunate. However, it also means that you'll never be able to dive directly into the matter unless the people answering your questions provide the substance for you to reply to, or unless others see something in your points and decide to make a case themselves.

Now, I think I've answered your every question up until now, and although i am biased (because, you know, I know my own alignment ) I do think there's nothing scummy in my behaviour. I even can and have explained my focus on the cult so far.

[Galain]

@ Ruse: my vote isn't a serious vote. It's a vote to put pressure on you to explain yourself. Which you have (sort of) by saying it was gut feel.

remove vote

The thing is that I'm not happy about having aspersions thrown about my person when they have no basis in fact and not providing any reason as to why you think someone is suspicious provides no recourse to answer the 'case'.

And throwing names out consistently as suspect could easily be seen as trying to make people more easily lynchable. It's scummy.

However, I agree with you strongly on the whole question of symps, and that we should ignore the reveals as it is more likely to be a symp reveal than someone actually worth lynching.

You're getting majorly majorly defensive, which is making me reconsider the vote removal though.

And I saw you voted for Shadow but not one of us, but Shadow is not ticking any of my suspect boxes at the moment, whereas you are and have been.

[Omtose]

Ruse, on Jan 29 2009, 09:58 AM, said:

I can understand your guys hostility (omtose/galain) , but i really dont understand how shadow jumps out of left field and piggy backs on Omtose to vote for me.

I think allot of what i have said has also stemmed directly from Shadows vote and what he has said. And have have somewhat coupled that into my retorts to you, omtose. Take that into mind, if you will.

I have explained why I voted for you, and that was before this whole controversy between you and me popped up (I'm leaving Galain out of it, he can do his own defense - and I named him as 1 person I want to see more contribution and less middle of the road of, too).

I also don't think there's real evidence of Mockra being a symp - maybe a bit panicky, but that's all. I like my reasoning for you being a symp more so I stand by it - then again, I can be wrong, too

For that reasoning, see ONCE AGAIN my quote of post 1987. It's getting old fast.

[Ruse]

Omtose, on Jan 29 2009, 08:49 AM, said:

Blablablah.

childish.

Omtose, on Jan 29 2009, 08:49 AM, said:

More posturing and bouncing the ball back. I really don't see what you're trying to win here, given that I've answered every question and have taken care to explain myself when asked to provide one. Give substance, damn it. I've so far answered you, re-quoted myself why i think you are a symp - haven't seen anything from you aside from a mention to day 1, which i already answered in reply to Liosan.

Fair enough, if you are scum...youve played a great game. Irrelivant, but thanks for pointing that out

Omtose, on Jan 29 2009, 08:49 AM, said:

Also, nice how you're still saying that i tried to make a side-exit from the stage throughout the game - when I did so day 2, and readily admitted it. My contribution yesterday was limited, because I was in a church for 8 hours listening to speeches, and on a train 2 hours before and after that, all without net-access. As I said the night before that.

Sigh....Galain has definitely disappeared, you not so much yet you have a little. maybe i noticed it because you just not posting AS much as before, I was merely making an observation. Yu even admit you havent been around as much. So whats your point?

Omtose, on Jan 29 2009, 08:49 AM, said:

Now, I do realise you will try to explain this forthcoming policy as 'being nervous' but if I didn't answer, you'd say I was 'trying to dodge your questions by ignoring them!' so I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't - not that it matters one bit, cause if you get your way, I'm condemned to swing on a rope regardless

However, I have nothing to hide, so I choose to answer and prove it.

So you trully believe i am a symp that has "Done the math" and want an inno lynched.
Tell me then?...which inno did i want lynched? Where do you get that idea from?

You have fabricated some fantastical scenario, and have sold it off as FACT.

edit- forgot to answer one thing

This post has been edited by Ruse: 29 January 2009 - 09:19 AM

[Omtose]

Ruse, on Jan 29 2009, 09:58 AM, said:

I can understand your guys hostility (omtose/galain) , but i really dont understand how shadow jumps out of left field and piggy backs on Omtose to vote for me.

I think allot of what i have said has also stemmed directly from Shadows vote and what he has said. And have have somewhat coupled that into my retorts to you, omtose. Take that into mind, if you will.

Also, to finish this; I'm well aware that I am a bit of a 'must lynch target' due to my day 1 behavior. I can live with that, said so before and I think today could be a good day to wrap it up - but if that's so, just state that as a reason to vote for me .

[Omtose]

Ruse, on Jan 29 2009, 10:07 AM, said:

Omtose, on Jan 29 2009, 08:49 AM, said:

Blablablah.

Omtose, on Jan 29 2009, 08:49 AM, said:

More posturing and bouncing the ball back. I really don't see what you're trying to win here, given that I've answered every question and have taken care to explain myself when asked to provide one. Give substance, damn it. I've so far answered you, re-quoted myself why i think you are a symp - haven't seen anything from you aside from a mention to day 1, which i already answered in reply to Liosan.

Fair enough, if you are scum...youve played a great game. Irrelivant, but thanks for pointing that out

Omtose, on Jan 29 2009, 08:49 AM, said:

Also, nice how you're still saying that i tried to make a side-exit from the stage throughout the game - when I did so day 2, and readily admitted it. My contribution yesterday was limited, because I was in a church for 8 hours listening to speeches, and on a train 2 hours before and after that, all without net-access. As I said the night before that.

Sigh....Galain has definitely disappeared, you not so much yet you have a little. maybe i noticed it because you just not posting AS much as before, I was merely making an observation. Yu even admit you havent been around as much. So whats your point?

My point is: I have disappeared day 2, I have been somewhat less active yesterday, but in between I, hmmm, let's see: I made a case on Kaschan, I've been active against GL, I was involved in the discussions surrounding Ano - and then it was today. I also think that amidst my posts, there's fairly little spam.

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Omtose, on Jan 29 2009, 08:49 AM, said:

Now, I do realise you will try to explain this forthcoming policy as 'being nervous' but if I didn't answer, you'd say I was 'trying to dodge your questions by ignoring them!' so I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't - not that it matters one bit, cause if you get your way, I'm condemned to swing on a rope regardless

However, I have nothing to hide, so I choose to answer and prove it.

So you trully believe i am a symp that has "Done the math" and want an inno lynched.
Tell me then?...which inno did i want lynched? Where do you get that idea from?

You have fabricated some fantastical scenario, and have sold it off as FACT.

Nope, I made a reasoning that I choose to put forward and follow up with a vote.

[Ruse]

Galain, on Jan 29 2009, 09:01 AM, said:

@ Ruse: my vote isn't a serious vote. It's a vote to put pressure on you to explain yourself. Which you have (sort of) by saying it was gut feel.

remove vote

The thing is that I'm not happy about having aspersions thrown about my person when they have no basis in fact and not providing any reason as to why you think someone is suspicious provides no recourse to answer the 'case'.

And throwing names out consistently as suspect could easily be seen as trying to make people more easily lynchable. It's scummy.

I do put out people's names to get reactions , i have received one and am rather happy about it in fact.(have not "constantly" put your name out there though)

Galain, on Jan 29 2009, 09:01 AM, said:

However, I agree with you strongly on the whole question of symps, and that we should ignore the reveals as it is more likely to be a symp reveal than someone actually worth lynching.

If not one of the symps then who do you dislike? (besides my handsome self ofcourse) As we are running low on time.

Galain, on Jan 29 2009, 09:01 AM, said:

You're getting majorly majorly defensive, which is making me reconsider the vote removal though.

I am getting defensive because my fucking votes are piling up for no reason, and a silly fantastical case.
I am getting finger banged through my pretty pink panties for next to nothing, and this is getting very close to a possible do or die situation and we need all the innos we can spare, so excuse me for trying to keep team inno in the game.

Galain, on Jan 29 2009, 09:01 AM, said:

And I saw you voted for Shadow but not one of us, but Shadow is not ticking any of my suspect boxes at the moment, whereas you are and have been.

I voted for shadow because he seams to be jumping on a possible easy lynch target. The vote from him seams....off.

[Ruse]

Omtose, on Jan 29 2009, 09:17 AM, said:

My point is: I have disappeared day 2, I have been somewhat less active yesterday, but in between I, hmmm, let's see: I made a case on Kaschan, I've been active against GL, I was involved in the discussions surrounding Ano - and then it was today. I also think that amidst my posts, there's fairly little spam.

Oh..well, you made cases against all the necro's and there recruits then?
Wonder how you would know who they are?
Missing kills could be one way i suppose!

Anyways, it may have been a bit unfair in coupling you with galain in that particular sense i suppose.

Omtose, on Jan 29 2009, 09:17 AM, said:

Nope, I made a reasoning that I choose to put forward and follow up with a vote.

Its rather far fetched reasoning if you ask me, especially in the light of a reveal and counter reveal. You decide to make up some sort of reasoning that I could be a symp when you have plain solid evidence in the form of two reveals that you choose to ignore.


Edit - splelling and wrong word

This post has been edited by Ruse: 29 January 2009 - 09:26 AM

[Ruse]

Sigh....day 6 is it?

What i would give for just a smidgen of information....real information.
This no CF is fucking killing me. Im sitting in the dark with no clothes on While everyone else has nightvision goggles.

Fuck you very much JA

[Omtose]

Ruse, on Jan 29 2009, 10:24 AM, said:

Omtose, on Jan 29 2009, 09:17 AM, said:

My point is: I have disappeared day 2, I have been somewhat less active yesterday, but in between I, hmmm, let's see: I made a case on Kaschan, I've been active against GL, I was involved in the discussions surrounding Ano - and then it was today. I also think that amidst my posts, there's fairly little spam.

Oh..well, you made cases against all the necro's and there recruits then?
Wonder how you would know who they are?
Missing kills could be one way i suppose!

Anyways, it may have been a bit unfair in coupling you with galain in that particular sense i suppose.

Omtose, on Jan 29 2009, 09:17 AM, said:

Nope, I made a reasoning that I choose to put forward and follow up with a vote.

Its rather far fetched reasoning if you ask me, especially in the light of a reveal and counter reveal. You decide to make up some sort of reasoning that I could be a symp when you have plain solid evidence in the form of two reveals that you choose to ignore.


Edit - splelling and wrong word

Haha, it's never good, is it?

Fact is, I made one of the three cases against Kaschan. the day before that I had voted GL for what got him lynched in the end, and the way in which I later defended that vote got people on board. Anomandaris was mainly Liosan's contribution, but it made sense to me, and mine was the first vote on him, I think. So, yeah, I was involved in all that, for better or for worse.

So, missing kills? Hmm, could be , without reading back, apart from knowing we had 2 nights with no kills, courtesy of the self-proclaimed witches.

Or maybe I'm a finder who's been incredibly lucky, but you're not entertaining that thought - and I'll say right here and now that I'm not one, so you're right in that.

I adressed the reveal and counterreveal and the foolishness (as I see it) in lynching both or either of them: we might well lynch two innos, we might start with the inno and leave the symp alive cause something happens tomorrow... etc. So, no, I don't leave it out of consideration - but I think the tactic isn't all that smart if there's no CF.

Also, it being far fetched... it's something everyone will say. No-one's going to say that any reasoning against them is 'the logical deduction' 'spot-on' or 'the absolute if inconvenient truth'.

edit: added smilie to show it's a joke. Just like the day 1 RP. Honest to God. (although I'm an agnost ).

This post has been edited by Omtose: 29 January 2009 - 09:39 AM

[Path-Shaper]

Ruse, on Jan 29 2009, 10:28 AM, said:

Im sitting in the dark with no clothes on While everyone else has nightvision goggles.

Fuck you very much JA

Bah, why do you complain? As we can all see, this obviously makes you horny.



This is day 6, 4.5 hours to go

12 players still playing, 7 votes to lynch, 6 votes for night

2 votes Mockra (Rashan,Silanah)
2 votes Ruse (Omtose, Shadow)
1 vote D'riss (Meanas)
1 vote Shadow (Ruse)


6 have not voted: D'riss, Galain, Hood's Path, Liosan, Mockra, Thyrllan.

[Silanah]

4.5 hours left... I don't have any idea where this day went.
Ruse, you seem to bite back quite hard, never really thought much of you but that really makes me worried O.o
Im going to sleep and won't be back before day ends so I will leave my vote on Mockra.

[Ruse]

Omtose, on Jan 29 2009, 09:37 AM, said:

I adressed the reveal and counterreveal and the foolishness (as I see it) in lynching both or either of them: we might well lynch two innos, we might start with the inno and leave the symp alive cause something happens tomorrow... etc. So, no, I don't leave it out of consideration - but I think the tactic isn't all that smart if there's no CF.

CF would not help in any case...CF is not the issue at all with regards to this.
The CF comes up inno for symps you know.

Omtose, on Jan 29 2009, 09:37 AM, said:

Also, it being far fetched... it's something everyone will say. No-one's going to say that any reasoning against them is 'the logical deduction' 'spot-on' or 'the absolute if inconvenient truth'.

You are logically deducing stuff for your own needs. It IS far fetched. I know you are wrong, badly so.
So trying to suck deductions out of thin air and then selling it as the real deal is not what inno's should be doing, that is what scum need to do.

You dont remember that mockra not only has a counter reveal, but he also heavily defended a known killer.
That is real tangible evidence of being a symp.

Yet you chose to believe that I have "done my math" and need an inno dead to win? So why didnt i just smack my vote down on mockra? Your reasoning is flawed, and you know it yet you choose to stick to your guns.
You are the one that could very well have done his math and realized the same thing and therefore are gunning for me.
It works both ways these fantastical theories or "reasoning" you know.


edit- crappy typos

This post has been edited by Ruse: 29 January 2009 - 10:04 AM