OK, my final attempt at defending myself
Shadow, on Jan 28 2009, 05:49 PM, said:
Omtose, why would you want an investigation on D'riss and Mockra? Thats just a bad mistake. (hypnotoad psycic person please don't do that) They would just come back inno. If you think a Killer is going to blatently call down this kind of pressure on themselves you are nuts. SOP is to lynch both claimants. Killers know this. Why would they do that?
Underlined is mine and I have said this several times. What did I have to gain by revealing, the most likely outcome is an early death, but I was happy to take one for the team.
Liosan, on Jan 28 2009, 06:24 PM, said:
Thyrllan, on Jan 28 2009, 05:05 PM, said:
Liosan seems to have dropped completely off the radar.
actually if you read my posts you will see that i was off work today and so don't have internet access. I am currently in my in laws using their computer to check the thread.
As for the two reveals, if mockra was a symp why didnt he jump on ano's train yesterday?
If driss is a symp what would he hope to achieve revealing? Mockra though came to emurlahn's defence day 1 when some pressure was put on him, so if one is a symp it would be him. Again though we are faced with the possibility of two recruits on either night 3 or last night so we could be in trouble. Sadly i am an advocate of the lynch both camp, we cant risk them being recruited and it is likely that if we don't we will be forced to lynch one tomorrow as we cannot be sure of their allegiance then.
Two witches though possible if not in a role heavy team is possible, but we definitely have two double voters (lynch 1), a medium, a witch and more than likely a finder(possible loss of cf demands it). Thats a strong inno team, without even a guard or a vig let alone a second witch. For there to be two witches one would have to be a symp, now that isnt as odd as it sounds, because they dont have to use it to protect people but it would stop them dying by the hand of their master.
I will leave voting to others, i am unsure what way to look at this, and don't have time to properly examine the last few days to see what motivated this reveal. If i was going to vote i would vote mockra, there is a possibility they are a witch, but i am unsure. I will be back on in the morning when i am back in the office.
Again, underlined is mine, again, what do I gain?
Mockra, on Jan 28 2009, 10:14 PM, said:
hmm looking at day 1-2 behavior of Driss, he voted for Omtose (following Ruse)
I voted for Omtose because he told us he was a killer. A bunch of us called him on it and he went quiet for a while.
then he voted Serc, based on the liosan case
Liosan makes very good cases
and then day 2 he went on giving Thyr flak supposing that Thyr thought Serc was his Creature, and was gonna vote him off then recruit him, wtf?
Pretty sure my reasoning was different, but no time to check now. Anyway, I put some pressure on Thyr (along with Ruse) and Thyr exploded in righteous indignation, had a right old tear up with Ruse so something must have hit the spot
going onto page 2 now...
day 2
Tennes makes an attempt of a case on Rashan, who has been trying to get a kesso train going.
so D'riss votes Tennes for lack of contribution and making 0 sense.
later switches to Fener, following the reveal.
then comes up with a weird "kesso is the necromancer" theory... while I entertained the possibility of Kesso being a recruited medium, that's just too far-fetched.
votes Fener in the end, no snags so far.
It was a weird theory on Kesso I admit, there was something fishy about him but I couldn't quite put my finger on the problem, hence my major fuck up in not using my BP that night.
Day 3
votes Tennes. again. admire the consistency.
then removes vote.
tehn he's gone for days 3, comes back day 4 to vote on another Liosan case.
Once again, Liosan makes good cases
then he's gone for a long time, nearly gets modslain, comes back and makes a case on me pushing HP to distract people from the Ano lynch
conveniently omitting that I posted the HP case during the night, and voted as soon as I came back to the thread from getting some sleep, as I have said I would (I don't vote and go to bed--either stay up till day timeout, or vote once I get up). but I digress
Conveniently, no, erroniously, more likely 
Your sleeping patterns aren't really relevant imho,
suggests I revealed roled to get "inno cred". with all the reactions, we can see that THAT would have been a poor idea.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it? As it is, I can only post based on my perceptions of the game and the play of others.
and then he counter-reveals. and the thread degenerates
meh, not much to go on here, in terms of symp behaviour.
if I was told D'riss was a symp form looking at his posts, I'd say his master's either Rashan (for that attack on Tennes who placed a Rash vote on day 2--his ONLY vote, iirc,
) or Liosan, since D'riss seems to follow religiously on every train that Liosan votes on. gotta check the Fener train for that, but both on Serc and GL's trains, D'riss made sure to point out how good Liosan's cases were at convincing him. that COULD be a possible inexperienced symp clue. not saying it is, but if I was to look for D'riss masters, i'd look there.
ok, looked it up, Liosan voted Fener before D'riss, too
so here are my ruminations, lol
obviously it's hard to look for any connections since after the Kesso reveal, we lose most of the interaction between players that were not labelled as cultists. gonna make it much much harder to actually find scum.
Bold bits are my thoughts, dunno how to do red!
Meanas, on Jan 28 2009, 10:48 PM, said:
That brings up an interesting question, Why did D'riss automatically think that you were lying. I mean if he had used up his BP over the weekend and there was no night kill last night then wouldn't D'riss have at least been hmmm you might be right. But no his first reaction was to say that you were lying scum and vote for you.
Also I think that one of the reasons that people aren't voting for anyone and that you don't have more votes Mockra is that with both you and D'riss revealing and most people suspecting one of you two as being either a symp or a Necro recruit we are trying to get you guys to give out as much information as possible before we lay down our vote.
To answer the first question, why did I think he was lying?
I had never even vaguely entertained the notion that there could be two witches in this game and that one could be a symp (and from some of the other reactions others had problems with this too). So as a result, when Mockra revealed as
The witch (suggesting he also had no idea there could be two) I immediately shout "SCUM!", because I know I am
The witch. Then as we see it all turns into a clusterfuck with no-one having a bloody clue as to roles in the game.
I neither ask for nor expect any quarter for being a n00b, but you should be able to understand my reasoning on this one. Two witches, WTF??!!
As for the second para, I'm here on and off all day, happy to answer questions.
Meanas, on Jan 29 2009, 04:35 AM, said:
I am torn. I really feel that we shouldn't let Mockra and D'riss live due to shit that I have already gone over and am to tired to do again.
I don't really see the case for Ruse. I have been over his posts several times and I just didn't see something that jumped out at me. I did not like how D'riss countered and I find him to be the more suspicious of the two. But honestly I could go either way. I am going to bed and probably won't be back before the day runs out. So
Vote D'riss
Night all.
For why I countered, see above.
Really don't know what else I can say here, but I'll be around....
Help
- so let's say no-one's perfect, so be a good chap and point me towards it, please. It would go a long way towards helping me evaluate the stuff against Mockra on its true value, I guess.
- so let's say no-one's perfect, so be a good chap and point me towards it, please. It would go a long way towards helping me evaluate the stuff against Mockra on its true value, I guess.
