[Meanas]

Silanah, on Jan 28 2009, 08:59 PM, said:

Lets see..
I believe that there were 2 witches, Driss and Mockra, and both are potentially useless now
Mockra is a symp and I also think that Shadow might be a double vote symp which I think is potentially dangerous.
Driss might be recruited tonight.. but whatever killers there are left might choose someone who is more of a threat now to kill

Ok why couldn't D'riss be a symp witch or already recruited. Also why would the killers kill D'riss when it seems obvious if we lynch Mockra today we have to lynch D'riss tomorrow.

Edited to add my call for evidence on Shadow.

This post has been edited by Meanas: 28 January 2009 - 08:16 PM

[Silanah]

Well I believed Ano to be a killer, not undead.
I thought Mockra and Shadow were symps based on how they acted during the Ano train.
With Mockra revealing as a witch and looking over the trains, i thought Shadow might be a double voting symp
Now i re read the voting and it doesn't add up

[Rashan]

One more question
Silanah. Why are you posting
in the Tennes style? Seems like before you
were posting differently, but I checked

And you kind of posted differently.
You posted more like this before, with longer sentences, and in some posts you actually did continue on without hitting the enter button. Its not scummy perhaps, but I do find it to be strange. So I guess I ask again Silanah, why are you posting like Tennes was? I also noticed that earlier in days 1-3 you backed your cases up with quotes, but now you just spit out your opinions with no real explanation, although I see that in the last instance you backed out of your thinking.

[Silanah]

Meh, sometimes i post pressing enter after every sentence, usually i don't like reading walls of text so i feel it is easier for people to read. Tennes posted in a way that he pressed enter after about 2 inches of text, I do it after sentences sometimes.

[Rashan]

Silanah, on Jan 28 2009, 03:54 PM, said:

Meh, sometimes i post pressing enter after every sentence, usually i don't like reading walls of text so i feel it is easier for people to read. Tennes posted in a way that he pressed enter after about 2 inches of text, I do it after sentences sometimes.

Like I said, its not a scummy thing to do, but it was something I personally am not used to. And I didn't see you doing it as much before. But whatever. As we are the only 2 on, can you tell me your suspect list at the moment. As for myself, I find the Ruse thing (by that I mean the aggression and big bags of dicks) to be unusual, because its almost as if he wants to keep Mockra around because he believes team inno has 2 witches, but refuses to look at the circumstances in which both players revealed. Instead he would rather lynch someone else, and I don't remember him presenting a case on who he would lynch, instead of Mockra and D'riss.

Also, I would look deeper into the Meanas and Galain thing.(By that I mean that they seem to be the same person, and not because of their avatars) I just can't seem to distinguish between the 2 of them a different playstyle.

[Silanah]

Two people that have fallen off my radar are Hood's Path and Galain. Can hardly remember any of their posts.
Might read up on them.

[Shadow]

I'm still here off an on. Not to rock the boat... but I would also like to lynch someone other than D'riss and Mockra. I don't think either one of them are Killers. If I had to pick, I would pick Mockra. If we decide to go another route I would be OK with

Galain-For reasons stated yesterday
Ruse- Because his interaction with the 2 revealers caught me as overly aggressive and odd. He basically attacked everyone for not playing at his time and was pissed that we complain about him to much. Just weird.
Silanah- I said I would do a case but I am too lazy atm. Being in a different time zone is no excuse for lack of content. you can post content and get reactions... just on a delayed basis. Besides it seems when paople get actual conversations going it turns into a spam war anyway between Thyr/Mockra/anyone who will listen.

[Mockra]

Hey, people, I'm back
seems teh general mood is to lynch me over D'riss, b/c im acting more sympish and he's a stumbling newb caught in a situatoin he wasn't ready to deal with.

I can see the reasoning behind this, though I would still like people to at least speculate on who they assume i'm symping for, and/or give credible reasons for why I would go and reveal/fake-reveal out of the blue like that.
re: symp witch. on the possibility D'riss might be one, i'll go chack out if there's anyone he might have been symping.

in anycase, if he's a witch (symp or otherwise and he's not lying about blocking night3, the cult situation's far from critical, so you can allow yourself the luxury of lynching me.

[Hood's Path]

Silanah, on Jan 28 2009, 03:09 PM, said:

Two people that have fallen off my radar are Hood's Path and Galain. Can hardly remember any of their posts.
Might read up on them.

I'm still here, I posted not that long ago. I'm at work so I don't always have a ton of time to post or do lengthy read throughs. Hopefully I will have a bit more of opportunity later on tonight when I get home.

[Thyrllan]

Not sure I want to lynch one of the claimers, because no CF means no way of knowing if we're right. This si true of everyone I suppose.
Sadly my comp is starting to give up so cant do much.

Under radar people:

HP-I practically forgot was playing.
Meanas-Cant remember anything he's said/done.
Galain-Again, forgot was playing.

[Mockra]

Meanas hammered Ano yesterday

that's one big thing I remember,

[Thyrllan]

Ah yes, forgot that.

[Thyrllan]

Ruse is another I may look at.
Seemed overly agressive in regards to some things, and was unremarkable earlier, despite post count, which he changed once picked up on.
Changing styles cause people call you on it seems a but like trying to be un-noticed.

[Mockra]

hmm looking at day 1-2 behavior of Driss, he voted for Omtose (following Ruse)

then he voted Serc, based on the liosan case

and then day 2 he went on giving Thyr flak supposing that Thyr thought Serc was his Creature, and was gonna vote him off then recruit him, wtf?

going onto page 2 now...

day 2
Tennes makes an attempt of a case on Rashan, who has been trying to get a kesso train going.
so D'riss votes Tennes for lack of contribution and making 0 sense.

later switches to Fener, following the reveal.
then comes up with a weird "kesso is the necromancer" theory... while I entertained the possibility of Kesso being a recruited medium, that's just too far-fetched.
votes Fener in the end, no snags so far.

Day 3
votes Tennes. again. admire the consistency.
then removes vote.
tehn he's gone for days 3, comes back day 4 to vote on another Liosan case.

then he's gone for a long time, nearly gets modslain, comes back and makes a case on me pushing HP to distract people from the Ano lynch
conveniently omitting that I posted the HP case during the night, and voted as soon as I came back to the thread from getting some sleep, as I have said I would (I don't vote and go to bed--either stay up till day timeout, or vote once I get up). but I digress

suggests I revealed roled to get "inno cred". with all the reactions, we can see that THAT would have been a poor idea.

and then he counter-reveals. and the thread degenerates

meh, not much to go on here, in terms of symp behaviour.
if I was told D'riss was a symp form looking at his posts, I'd say his master's either Rashan (for that attack on Tennes who placed a Rash vote on day 2--his ONLY vote, iirc, ) or Liosan, since D'riss seems to follow religiously on every train that Liosan votes on. gotta check the Fener train for that, but both on Serc and GL's trains, D'riss made sure to point out how good Liosan's cases were at convincing him. that COULD be a possible inexperienced symp clue. not saying it is, but if I was to look for D'riss masters, i'd look there.

ok, looked it up, Liosan voted Fener before D'riss, too

so here are my ruminations, lol
obviously it's hard to look for any connections since after the Kesso reveal, we lose most of the interaction between players that were not labelled as cultists. gonna make it much much harder to actually find scum.

This post has been edited by Mockra: 28 January 2009 - 10:15 PM

[Shadow]

Yeah, I don't see a huge D'riss symp connection.

Mockra, you never answered that I can recall... Why did you immediately assume D'riss was telling the truth and not label him a liar.

[Mockra]

I did
because it explained the night 3 situation when we had no kills. i've considered the possibility (however unlikely) after that night, when Path-shaper responded to my PM, that yes, they did receive my no action PM that night.

also, probably, because I subconsciously don't want to believe there may be 4 cultists instead of 2 out there right now if D'riss is lying,

people's behavior so far (the fact that no one tried to speed-lynch either of us) lends credibility to the possibility that we don't have a big non-town voting block right now.

[Shadow]

Thyrllan, on Jan 19 2009, 09:40 AM, said:

Serc, by your logic, we should leave alone anyone being symped, since symps never symp there masters. Thats convinient.
However, Emur could just be looking for an easy train to hide on, and I cant recall him posting much else, so he seems to be avoiding attention.

Mockra, on Jan 19 2009, 09:40 AM, said:

wow, thyr, that's your fourth vote already.... lynch-happy killer is eager?

Well this doesn't look sympish at all ... (these are back to back posts and Thyr has just voted Emur)

This post has been edited by Shadow: 28 January 2009 - 10:36 PM

[Mockra]

"oh, yes, let's defend my supposed masted from L-9, with Omtose having like 4 votes at this point... brilliant way to be inconspicuous, if I do say so myself"

now, honestly, i'm not a n00b. ffs, if you want to accuseme of symping, at least claim that I've done my best to derail the Ano lynch. The Emu thing's got no depth to it, if you only manage to look at it without assuming i'm symp first.

[Meanas]

Mockra, on Jan 28 2009, 10:26 PM, said:

I did
because it explained the night 3 situation when we had no kills. i've considered the possibility (however unlikely) after that night, when Path-shaper responded to my PM, that yes, they did receive my no action PM that night.

also, probably, because I subconsciously don't want to believe there may be 4 cultists instead of 2 out there right now if D'riss is lying,

people's behavior so far (the fact that no one tried to speed-lynch either of us) lends credibility to the possibility that we don't have a big non-town voting block right now.

That brings up an interesting question, Why did D'riss automatically think that you were lying. I mean if he had used up his BP over the weekend and there was no night kill last night then wouldn't D'riss have at least been hmmm you might be right. But no his first reaction was to say that you were lying scum and vote for you.

Also I think that one of the reasons that people aren't voting for anyone and that you don't have more votes Mockra is that with both you and D'riss revealing and most people suspecting one of you two as being either a symp or a Necro recruit we are trying to get you guys to give out as much information as possible before we lay down our vote.

To Rashan how is my play style the same as Galain's??? You obviously didn't look very far to see my posts. I had one this page as well as several on the page before. Do you read the posts from were you were last on or were you just looking to make sure that your symp hadn't revealed anything? I noticed that you are suspecting Ruse of acting weird when Mockra revealed. I actually didn't think that he was doing anything strange or suspicious. I went back over his posts after the reveal and he was asking questions and trying to come up with ideas. You on the other hand Voted for Mockra as soon as you could. When Ruse callled you on it you didn't say boo. I want to get to the bottom of the reveals and counter reveals. But your reaction was suspicious.

There is a good reason why we kill both people when we have a reveal and counter reveal. Because you don't know who is what. No in this case when we have had 2 nights blocked it seems as if both might be telling the truth as to their roles. BUTT a big but I think that it is very likely that one of Ruse/D'riss are a symp and I wouldn't be surprised if either one of them were recruits. If they get PI/RI/CI or any other Ied then we are letting potential recruits/symps live longer. I know that it is more important to find a the killers/Necro's. But as of right now we don't know if a killer is still alive. The last killer might have been Ando. In which case Mockra as a symp would no longer (assuming that there are only 2 killers) have a reason for going on and could try to make as much trouble as possible. Which is what he has done. That is really the only reason that I can see for him to have came up and revealed when he did. It is also why I am more inclined to lynch Mockra now.

Anyway that is what I have been thinking. On another note I am off but will be back before the end of the day. However tomorrow I am going to be out running errands all day and won't be on at all or very very little.

I will vote when I get back on in 5 hours.

[Shadow]

No, I agree with not lynching Ano. I was right there with you. Personally I don't think he was scum. He played exactly how he did in the other 2 games I have been in with him, and he was inno both times.

Mockra- I am not trying to insult your play or not give you credit. But knowing that Emur was a Killer. That quote makes you look like a symp.

Regardless, just putting it out there. defensive much?