[Rashan]

 Emurlahn, on Jan 6 2009, 11:28 AM, said:

 Rashan, on Jan 6 2009, 01:18 PM, said:

As to your point 2 emurlahn, whats the point in having info if we dont use it. Every morning thyrllan will know his entire team bar marc anthony. every day his little julii slaves will watch for who he targets and know that person is not on their team, you are willing allowing what i see as a POWER role to remain when on day 1 we generally go by who is the most annoying. so yes i am pushing hard, because i believe i am in the right.

You honestly think only his slaves will look at who he targets to see who is not a Julii? If he fingers his whole team by voting for everyone else, then we'll know his own slaves by elimination. He's screwed really, I don't know how he can play from now on. That's the thing, we don't only have information about him, he IS a source of information.

You keep calling a "leader". He can neither kill nor recruit. If MA dies, we'll know it, and we lynch him. If it takes too much time, we can always take a day to lynch him to play it safe, but now is not the time. I'm quite sure Thyr will die soon of other means anyways.

You say I'm not looking for MA, I'm looking for other leaders. Well, yes, I'm looking for two players that can recruit for the other team. Thyrllan is neither. MA is one of them.

the way i read it, he is a leader in waiting, i don't believe the other teams have that advantage which is why the julii can't win with both alive. I would love to hit a different recruiter or marc anthony today, but there is no evidence to find him yet, while we have a julii power role in the open. For me its a no brainer, and the info it gives me about players today will help me through out the game.

As for who he points out, short term there will be possibly fourteen players for himt o choose from, its not sucha small game as to finger his team that easily, yet he is perfectly placed now to symp and spread confusion. I know you can see the massive advantage he is to the julii at the moment, so pretending he is worthless and totally screwed is at worst decietful and at least niave.

plus i aint changing my style just informing people i aint bullying them, just making a point ina forceful and strong armed way.

[Fener]

I'm Back! I am having internut issues at the moment, but will be at my home computer in a few hours so I will try to get here and catch up before the deadline. Later.

[Rashan]

 Emurlahn, on Jan 6 2009, 11:31 AM, said:

By the way

remove vote

I wish we would get rid of the low posters, I hate them. And in a game where we're not looking for scum, it's possible to get rid of them (relatively) safely.

That day-find shit is awesome, and I hope it works every day. That will make the game tight and nasty. But why the hell did it have to happen on day 1 on someone I feel nobody would want lynched, except, ironically, his own co-leader?

not sure i get the point of your second question there? the finder wouldnt know who he is targetting until the result, that it was octavian was just lucky( good or bad you decide). I would assume that the power is daily, else why use it so early.

[Emurlahn]

 Rashan, on Jan 6 2009, 01:37 PM, said:

 Emurlahn, on Jan 6 2009, 11:31 AM, said:

By the way

remove vote

I wish we would get rid of the low posters, I hate them. And in a game where we're not looking for scum, it's possible to get rid of them (relatively) safely.

That day-find shit is awesome, and I hope it works every day. That will make the game tight and nasty. But why the hell did it have to happen on day 1 on someone I feel nobody would want lynched, except, ironically, his own co-leader?

not sure i get the point of your second question there? the finder wouldnt know who he is targetting until the result, that it was octavian was just lucky( good or bad you decide). I would assume that the power is daily, else why use it so early.

I was wailing at the evil Fates that made this happen, not the finder.

[Emurlahn]

 Rashan, on Jan 6 2009, 01:34 PM, said:

the way i read it, he is a leader in waiting, i don't believe the other teams have that advantage which is why the julii can't win with both alive. I would love to hit a different recruiter or marc anthony today, but there is no evidence to find him yet, while we have a julii power role in the open.

This I agree with, that we have no evidence to find him yet. Which is why I thought it would be wiser to kick the coconut tree and make things happen from the info we have instead of dumbly speed-lynching Thyrllan after the reveal.

With you around arguing that everyone who doesn't want to do that last thing are symps or Julii, PERIOD, the whole thing derailed, and now we're running out of time. I think indeed it will become Thyrllan for the lynch, and that is our loss.

[Rashan]

 Emurlahn, on Jan 6 2009, 11:38 AM, said:

 Rashan, on Jan 6 2009, 01:37 PM, said:

 Emurlahn, on Jan 6 2009, 11:31 AM, said:

By the way

remove vote

I wish we would get rid of the low posters, I hate them. And in a game where we're not looking for scum, it's possible to get rid of them (relatively) safely.

That day-find shit is awesome, and I hope it works every day. That will make the game tight and nasty. But why the hell did it have to happen on day 1 on someone I feel nobody would want lynched, except, ironically, his own co-leader?

not sure i get the point of your second question there? the finder wouldnt know who he is targetting until the result, that it was octavian was just lucky( good or bad you decide). I would assume that the power is daily, else why use it so early.

I was wailing at the evil Fates that made this happen, not the finder.

well look at it this way, we know for certain that certain roles are immune to recruitment, we know certain roles will have intimate knowledge of everyone on their faction. It gives us a good idea of what sort of roles are in the game and outs one of only two named characters fromt he winning conditions, as far as i can tell thats a lot for day 1, and all of its useful. That i want him dead is because thats how i play mafia, that you dont is, because your julii. Just wait, when you get recruited to a different faction you will try to take him out as well

[Emurlahn]

Ah, Fener is back. Another good lynch candidate: He's both a JA candidate AND an (attempted) self-voter. Two mortal sins in my eyes


The presence of this day-revealer is unsettling. I feel like we're all naked under our togas and Rome is quite of a windy city

[Rashan]

 Emurlahn, on Jan 6 2009, 11:41 AM, said:

 Rashan, on Jan 6 2009, 01:34 PM, said:

the way i read it, he is a leader in waiting, i don't believe the other teams have that advantage which is why the julii can't win with both alive. I would love to hit a different recruiter or marc anthony today, but there is no evidence to find him yet, while we have a julii power role in the open.

This I agree with, that we have no evidence to find him yet. Which is why I thought it would be wiser to kick the coconut tree and make things happen from the info we have instead of dumbly speed-lynching Thyrllan after the reveal.

With you around arguing that everyone who doesn't want to do that last thing are symps or Julii, PERIOD, the whole thing derailed, and now we're running out of time. I think indeed it will become Thyrllan for the lynch, and that is our loss.

wow wow wow wow. hold your buccaroons there boyo.

Firstly, i am not saying everyone is julii, and if you dont think some of those defending octavian are you gotta be smoking something. Secondly there are ten hours left or something, aint nothing set in stone. You provide a decent case on a player, beyond the low posters stuff and i may change my vote. People think i am abrasive and not willing to discuss, they are wrong, their arguments just rarely surpassing the reasoning in my own, if they manage that, i will switch and vehemently pursue that course of action until lynch. and go after thyrllan again tomorrow of course.

[Emurlahn]

 Rashan, on Jan 6 2009, 01:49 PM, said:

wow wow wow wow. hold your buccaroons there boyo.

Firstly, i am not saying everyone is julii, and if you dont think some of those defending octavian are you gotta be smoking something. Secondly there are ten hours left or something, aint nothing set in stone. You provide a decent case on a player, beyond the low posters stuff and i may change my vote. People think i am abrasive and not willing to discuss, they are wrong, their arguments just rarely surpassing the reasoning in my own, if they manage that, i will switch and vehemently pursue that course of action until lynch. and go after thyrllan again tomorrow of course.

a) yes, you are saying everyone is Julii
b ) How can I (or anyone) make a case with you around right now? We did make some cases, they were not as strong as Thyrllan being Octavian, but can you blame us?

I know you well enough to realize that you play like this because you are Julii, you see Octavian outed and soon to be dead, and you want to push it quickly to both limit the damage, allow your team a winning condition and "out" players as being Julii which are obviously not.

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 06 January 2009 - 12:00 PM

[Rashan]

 Emurlahn, on Jan 6 2009, 12:00 PM, said:

 Rashan, on Jan 6 2009, 01:49 PM, said:

wow wow wow wow. hold your buccaroons there boyo.

Firstly, i am not saying everyone is julii, and if you dont think some of those defending octavian are you gotta be smoking something. Secondly there are ten hours left or something, aint nothing set in stone. You provide a decent case on a player, beyond the low posters stuff and i may change my vote. People think i am abrasive and not willing to discuss, they are wrong, their arguments just rarely surpassing the reasoning in my own, if they manage that, i will switch and vehemently pursue that course of action until lynch. and go after thyrllan again tomorrow of course.

a) yes, you are saying everyone is Julii
b ) How can I (or anyone) make a case with you around right now? We did make some cases, they were not as strong as Thyrllan being Octavian, but can you blame us?

I know you well enough to realize that you play like this because you are Julii, you see Octavian outed and soon to be dead, and you want to push it quickly to both limit the damage, allow your team a winning condition and "out" players as being Julii which are obviously not.

ah so thats why you wont vote me, sorry to disappoint you emur, i am not julii and i play this way because its fun and i can

[Thyrllan]

I would think that Julii would want me dead. I have the ability to make them take actions in my place, and at this stage it is nigh on impossible for me to lead them to victory.

I know who the Julii are anyway.

[Rashan]

oh and of course i can blame you for not making cases that strong, you need to try harder

where is everyone, we need to lynch and if thyrllan is going to scrap through we need to make a desicion, if kess is the only other possible i am willing to change so i dont have so much to read tomorrow when i get on. that is the case yes?

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 1.
You have 8 hours and 37 minutes.

11 votes needed to lynch, 10 votes needed for night.
1 players has voted for Ampelas (Shadow)
1 player has voted for D'riss (Kessobahn)
4 players have voted for Kessobahn (Thyrllan, D’riss, Omtose, Serc,)
5 players have voted for Thyrllan (Kaschan, Liosan, Mockra, Silanah, Rashan)
1 player has voted for Rashan (Korlat)

8 players have not voted: HP, Fener, Tennes, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Ruse, Ampelas, Emurlahn

[Emurlahn]

Well, I'm around and also willing to go either way, Kesso or Thyr. Sadly, I don't think Kesso is Julii, since Thyr voted him before he got revealed. He might be MA, but at this point I'm no longer sure I'm willing to take the chance, so for now Thyrllan would be it for me.


Or Rashan, he's a Julii too

[Emurlahn]

 Thyrllan, on Jan 6 2009, 02:16 PM, said:

I would think that Julii would want me dead. I have the ability to make them take actions in my place

Yeah, good job on that front so far

That still bugs me, by the way, why the hell would "Octavius" take stupid, useless risks like this? If this whole thing is not what it obviously is, I don't see what else it could be, but damned...

[Thyrllan]

Maybe I come from somewhere where you don't get day actions

[Emurlahn]

That or you were hoping someone would send a french kiss your way?

[Emurlahn]

Fuck me, I've been confusing KEsso and Ampelas. It's not Kessobahn who voted and unvoted for Thyr after the reveal, it's Ampelas.

OK, if you want to find the other Julii, look there:

 Serc, on Jan 6 2009, 11:17 AM, said:

Before I go to bed:

I would lynch Thyrllan. I would dearly love to lynch him, because of his role as an opposition leader of my faction. But I won't since there is the fact that Julii then gets to recruitand that would be bad in the power struggle... So,

Vote Kessobahn
We should push for a lynch, and he is, for some reason, under the radar since Thyrllan was revealed as a faction leader.

Right, night all.

 Silanah, on Jan 6 2009, 11:33 AM, said:

Vote: Kessobahn

I think its best we push for a lynch on him as hes the only lead that alot of us agree on.
I dont believe that MA has recruitment powers so with that logic, we should not Lynch Thyrllan until MA is dead.
Then we can lynch him, eliminating both leaders hopefully.

Possibly also Gamelon, who voted Kesso after the reveal, but that might have been a cross-post. But after, he kept his vote there, and started to talk about his awesome avatar instead of the Thyrllan reveal.

So, forget Kesso, I'm not willing to vote him today. I would be happy to go for:

Thyrllan, Silanah, Serc, in this order.

[Emurlahn]

Oh, and i say "look here" because after Thyrllan was revealed to know all the other Julii every morning, it doesn't take a genius to realize that Kessobahn is not a Julii since he was voting for him.

And I put Silanah before Serc before when Rashan went all "U JULII" on him, he switched his vote to Thyrllan, saying, "I have no choice" or something like that.

[Rashan]

 Emurlahn, on Jan 6 2009, 12:42 PM, said:

Fuck me, I've been confusing KEsso and Ampelas. It's not Kessobahn who voted and unvoted for Thyr after the reveal, it's Ampelas.

OK, if you want to find the other Julii, look there:

 Serc, on Jan 6 2009, 11:17 AM, said:

Before I go to bed:

I would lynch Thyrllan. I would dearly love to lynch him, because of his role as an opposition leader of my faction. But I won't since there is the fact that Julii then gets to recruitand that would be bad in the power struggle... So,

Vote Kessobahn
We should push for a lynch, and he is, for some reason, under the radar since Thyrllan was revealed as a faction leader.

Right, night all.

 Silanah, on Jan 6 2009, 11:33 AM, said:

Vote: Kessobahn

I think its best we push for a lynch on him as hes the only lead that alot of us agree on.
I dont believe that MA has recruitment powers so with that logic, we should not Lynch Thyrllan until MA is dead.
Then we can lynch him, eliminating both leaders hopefully.

Possibly also Gamelon, who voted Kesso after the reveal, but that might have been a cross-post. But after, he kept his vote there, and started to talk about his awesome avatar instead of the Thyrllan reveal.

So, forget Kesso, I'm not willing to vote him today. I would be happy to go for:

Thyrllan, Silanah, Serc, in this order.

no we are on the same page - i knew i had serc on that list for a reason, but missed the quote. That first quote is so silly, he is the opposition leader of his faction?? he just admitted julii. If you want to keep thyrllan alive i would go thyrllan, serc then silanah.