[KalamMekhar]

Who is Skiinner that ive seen mentioned in several posts through this thread. Dont recognize the name, is it from the SE books of ICE books? cause i havent read the ICE ones yet but hopefully soon. Or i just could have forgotten the name among the bagillion SE has given us to digest, but would appreciate any feedback on what books hes in, i have the first 8 SE books, but did not read them all one after another, which i plan on doing soon, but none the less have read them all and a lil fuzzy on names. also Iron Bars too lol

This post has been edited by KalamMekhar: 21 February 2009 - 08:52 PM

[HoosierDaddy]

Briefly mentioned in SE books from time to time, major character in Return of the Crimson Guard.

This post has been edited by HoosierDaddy: 21 February 2009 - 08:57 PM

[TeddyGraham]

Onos, on Dec 2 2008, 08:09 PM, said:

Lisheo, on Dec 2 2008, 01:00 PM, said:

Immortal swordsmen like Rake and Onos shouldn't really be in the thread, nor should Kallor, as he is seemingly fine after a wound that Brys, say, would have found fatal.

This is the Malazan world... everyone is on some path towards ascendency. That is why i am trying to focus on skill not power. Living for ever is a power not a skill. Kallor cant be killed it seems, but he clearly doesnt have the skill of some of the others. Skinner has that crazy armour... should be be taken off the list? I dont think so, but we can infer that Dasseem would have killed him ealier had Skinner not had the armour. And just as Rake can live forever, you never hear about him getting swords through the chest or swords bouncing off his armour cause he doesnt have the skill to block them

Everyone isnt necessarily on a path to ascendency, depends on how you look at it. Erikson writes as though he was a historian, and so wouldn't write of the more unremarkable people in a history as their place is insignificant. So it stands to reason that he writes of those who play a major role in the conflicts, and it stands to reason that those people would be the most powerful.....

[Onos]

BeLeG, on Feb 21 2009, 06:13 AM, said:

Aptorian, on Feb 21 2009, 11:29 AM, said:

In the fight where Iron Bars fights the low level seguleh on the boat, Iron bars is practically scared at the talent the seguleh is displaying. Every move he makes is with extreme precision, every strike he makes aims for specific place like the major artery in a leg, the jugular vein, etc.

And I repeat. Brys was not slicing up Rhulad at some kind of incredible speed, he took his time, when Rhulad was down. moving him around, deliberating on the places he needed to open up.

And even if this was some amazing ability that only Brys exelled in, it doesn't really matter because a skilled opponent can block you shot whether your aiming just for the leg or one specific square milimeter of the leg.

tendons are really harder to strike than a major artery.Anyway what the Seguleh did seems like a different thing though it also demands great swordskills.
Brys did slice Rhulad at some kind of incredible speed otherwise Trull would not mention his speed and his ability to slice tendons without opening major blood vessels at such speed.
We dont really know Brys's true skill with a sword but people must stop underestimating what he did to Rhulad

People will stop underestimating what he did to Rhulad when he does it to someone a bit more competant. Heck, i would settle for him defeating someone relevant straight up without the tendon slicing. Not saying he cant defeat someone relevant, just havent seen him do so yet.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

I think when Brys incapacitated Rhulad, Rhulad wasn't terribly powerful yet. So, could he manage the same before Karsa killed him? I'd say probably, but a few more reincarnations and he'd find himself outmatched.

[Jumpy]

I've always wondered whether or not the Sea Guardian,(a being appointed by the Elder God Mael to watch over and protect possibly dozens of other (forgotten) Gods) was a God himself? At the very least he had to have Ascendant powers. I mean he was living underwater, wearing a full set of gigantic plate armor as well as a massive sword, and fending off attacks from Warlocks infused with the power of the Crippled God. It seems to me that, while the Sea Guardian is very much an unknown factor to us, he had a reasonable amount of power; else Mael would have chosen a more efficient guardian of the Gods. Taking this into consideration, Brys has indeed defeated two ascendants.

Just wondering what you all think about this little theory of mine.

Now, I've read all 29 pages of this thread in one go, so I've heard all the arguements for and against Brys' prowess with a sword. He can draw his sword in less than a heartbeat. He can defeat (as a mortal man, and no matter how you look at them) Ascendant powers. He can, with an (almost) unheard of precision (see: Dassem v Skinner 2, Mok --and co.-- v K'ell Hunter) hit two points vital to swordfighting (see: knee cap, elbow tendon, in one instantaneous and fluid motion). I feel he has been discredited a little too much on this thread.

Enough of my fanboy-ing, though. As far as the best swordsman goes, I'd throw my lot in with Dassem. Then the Lord of Moon's Spawn. Maybe not in that order, but it is a fine line they walk, imho.

Rell, of course, beat Ryllandaras. He also did this injured (see: fire) and after having participated in a blood bath for the better part of a day. With a little help.

I'm not a huge fan of the Skinner pwns train of thought. He was the only Crimson Guardsman to survive a fight with Dassem. And the 2nd bout, well, we all know how that ended. One teensy, tiny gap between helm and gorget was all Traveller needed. Skinner is surely a great swordsman, better than most mortals, but just a nuisance, if you ask me.

Just my two cents on some of the themes touched on during the long and gruelling journey from page 1 to 29.

Edit: couldn't find quote, other than Kel spanked Ryllandaras. Mis-remembered.

This post has been edited by Jumpy: 02 March 2009 - 08:34 AM

[L'oric]

Note to Jumpy:

Anyone who joins this conversation late and manages all 29 pages is a First Hero of the boards.

[Trull's son]

Agreed L'oric. Welcome Jumpy. I wish to see more brys actually, although i do think his skill has been OVERrated instead of the other way around. I am still 100% behind Nenanda in any case.

[Sinisdar Toste]

Trull's son, on Mar 2 2009, 06:44 PM, said:

I am still 100% behind Nenanda in any case.

Lol, wut?

[misiu02]

Personally I’m still leaning towards Tool being at the very top of the list. The only book we have really seen him fight in is MOI and at the very beginning he makes a comment along the lines of (sorry books not with me for a direct reference) “Someone has drawn on my life force almost to exhaustion". This seems to coincide with Silverfox’s birth/growth etc. And if silverfox is drawing on Tool at the same time as her mothers he very well could be having a power drain the entire book. Tool’s sister clearly states that Tool is her superior in combat and that has been backed up with several references in the series. Plus with the Warrens affected the way they were and with a Imass’s power tied directly to their warren I think he was basically fighting with one hand tied… Either case I think he easily belongs in the top 5.

[Trull's son]

Thats interesting, if ever we have overlooked a character, i think it would be Tool. Many must believe that he is below Mok, but when you take into all the factors, he very well could have beaten the seguleh had he been full strength. But we can not assume Mok was at full strength either. Envy's Army of 6 had to fight off hundreds if not thousands of Panion soldiers by the time they reached Coral. ...Always contradicting myself...
Yea Sinisdar, Nenanda. You know, from the often overlooked Nimander Power Ranger Squad. There is a reason that they were the survivors from Drift Avalii, and that is because they mess shit up. Nimander mentions how Nenanda is perhaps the best swordsman of their group. I am just waiting for a one on one clash with some powerful being so Nenada can finaly take his rightful place as #1 on the list. You'll all see, mark my words...

[Onos]

Jumpy, on Mar 2 2009, 02:04 AM, said:

I've always wondered whether or not the Sea Guardian,(a being appointed by the Elder God Mael to watch over and protect possibly dozens of other (forgotten) Gods) was a God himself? At the very least he had to have Ascendant powers. I mean he was living underwater, wearing a full set of gigantic plate armor as well as a massive sword, and fending off attacks from Warlocks infused with the power of the Crippled God. It seems to me that, while the Sea Guardian is very much an unknown factor to us, he had a reasonable amount of power; else Mael would have chosen a more efficient guardian of the Gods. Taking this into consideration, Brys has indeed defeated two ascendants.

Just wondering what you all think about this little theory of mine.

Now, I've read all 29 pages of this thread in one go, so I've heard all the arguements for and against Brys' prowess with a sword. He can draw his sword in less than a heartbeat. He can defeat (as a mortal man, and no matter how you look at them) Ascendant powers. He can, with an (almost) unheard of precision (see: Dassem v Skinner 2, Mok --and co.-- v K'ell Hunter) hit two points vital to swordfighting (see: knee cap, elbow tendon, in one instantaneous and fluid motion). I feel he has been discredited a little too much on this thread.

Enough of my fanboy-ing, though. As far as the best swordsman goes, I'd throw my lot in with Dassem. Then the Lord of Moon's Spawn. Maybe not in that order, but it is a fine line they walk, imho.

Rell, of course, beat Ryllandaras. He also did this injured (see: fire) and after having participated in a blood bath for the better part of a day. With a little help.

I'm not a huge fan of the Skinner pwns train of thought. He was the only Crimson Guardsman to survive a fight with Dassem. And the 2nd bout, well, we all know how that ended. One teensy, tiny gap between helm and gorget was all Traveller needed. Skinner is surely a great swordsman, better than most mortals, but just a nuisance, if you ask me.

Just my two cents on some of the themes touched on during the long and gruelling journey from page 1 to 29.

Edit: couldn't find quote, other than Kel spanked Ryllandaras. Mis-remembered.

I agree he defeated the Sea Guardian who i am sure is quite powerful (for example he would kick ass in a pitched battle as he could crush ranks of soldiers with his size/power), but he was also slow and Brys out fought him quite easily. So i am not sure the guardian serves as a proper guage of ability. The good news is we will have a chance to see more of Brys and perhaps he will make his ability more clear. I do agree Brys could turn out to be better than i currently think he is.

Skinner seems overrated... i have some skinner related quotes i want to touch upon one day when i have books near by. I would love to know where Rell ranks in relation to other Seguleh. For the moment i think he is just an average seguleh. (which of course means he is great, but how great in relation to the best in the world?)

Good work on reading the 29 pages!

Also i added Nenanda as an honorable mention. (until he kicks someone's ass and moves up)

Finally i would love to see more Tool in action... hope he plays a key role.

This post has been edited by Onos: 03 March 2009 - 06:47 PM

[panic686]

I'm skipping a lot of this thread and will have to catch up later but I do not know how people rate Brys lower than top 5.

I have fought mma, kickboxing, and boxing. Do you know how hard it is to be precise with parts of your own body when you are good even against an unskilled opponent when it is a part of your body, let alone an object outside of your body. Brys dissected a living, moving, resisting opponent. He did so without trying to badly. Some argue that he gave up two fingers for it but if he had intended to kill Rulad right away that would not have happened. That is the most singular display of sword skill that I felt I have read in this book series.

[Sinisdar Toste]

Trull's son, on Mar 3 2009, 09:47 AM, said:

Thats interesting, if ever we have overlooked a character, i think it would be Tool. Many must believe that he is below Mok, but when you take into all the factors, he very well could have beaten the seguleh had he been full strength. But we can not assume Mok was at full strength either. Envy's Army of 6 had to fight off hundreds if not thousands of Panion soldiers by the time they reached Coral. ...Always contradicting myself...
Yea Sinisdar, Nenanda. You know, from the often overlooked Nimander Power Ranger Squad. There is a reason that they were the survivors from Drift Avalii, and that is because they mess shit up. Nimander mentions how Nenanda is perhaps the best swordsman of their group. I am just waiting for a one on one clash with some powerful being so Nenada can finaly take his rightful place as #1 on the list. You'll all see, mark my words...

well its true he hasn't had much of a chance to show his skillz, but he seems a tad hot-headed for a master swordsman. hey maybe he and silchas ruin will duke it out... for some reason

[Trull's son]

Toste, i like the way you think

[foolio]

I am sorry to show my ignorance, but who is Nefarias Bredd? The name sounds familiar but thats it...

[Aptorian]

foolio, on Mar 4 2009, 05:56 PM, said:

I am sorry to show my ignorance, but who is Nefarias Bredd? The name sounds familiar but thats it...

He is an, as far as we know, fictesious(sp?) soldier whose name keeps comming up in rumors. I can't actually remember what is specifically said about him, but basically you blame him for things done, or praise him for some supposed great feat, etc.

I'll laugh out loud if it actually turns out he really exists and he isn't just the Malazan boogyman.

[Abyss]

Just to be clear for the thread, the answer is 'Wolverine'.

Moving on....

Aptorian, on Dec 2 2008, 02:15 PM, said:

Nefarias Bredd

Grief, on Dec 2 2008, 02:16 PM, said:

Grizzin Farl Toasts Bredd...

Haha! See what I did there!

You are my heroes.

Aptorian, on Dec 4 2008, 06:17 PM, said:

I remember some confussion about those Azaths. I don't think the phyrliss Azath was the same as the one that Iccy wiped out and yet it doesn't sound like Tremolor is the same as the old one.

weird.

You're mixing and matching - the Odhan House was the one Iccy attacked and injured. Eventually it dies. Phyrllis, as a Jaghut kid, is speared by a (presumably Tlan) Imass over the same ground. The spear shaft and/or something about the Jaghut results in a tree growing on that spot and Phyrllis being part of it.

Tremolor is the Raraku House - it had its own warren wherein the vine labyrinth it drew the shapeshifters into was located. And it was old, hence the size of the labyrinth and all the various critters trapped in it even before the shapeshifters started causing trouble.


- Abyss, ...and to be clear, the answer is STILL 'Wolverine'.

[Xardean]

This thread is abomination
Wolverine wins

[HoosierDaddy]

foolio, on Mar 4 2009, 11:56 AM, said:

I am sorry to show my ignorance, but who is Nefarias Bredd? The name sounds familiar but thats it...

Aptorian, on Mar 4 2009, 12:27 PM, said:

foolio, on Mar 4 2009, 05:56 PM, said:

I am sorry to show my ignorance, but who is Nefarias Bredd? The name sounds familiar but thats it...

He is an, as far as we know, fictesious(sp?) soldier whose name keeps comming up in rumors. I can't actually remember what is specifically said about him, but basically you blame him for things done, or praise him for some supposed great feat, etc.

I'll laugh out loud if it actually turns out he really exists and he isn't just the Malazan boogyman.

Lostara Yil blames Bredd for the "Last ones in, looking around" statement in Reeaper's Gale.