[Liosan]

I also notice that both you and Sil have quickly jumped to CI each other.

[D'riss]

HOLY MOTHERFUCKING SHIT!

The thread's going mental. wow
I just woke up, and i have 2 hours to finish citing my essay, the I have a review session.
Real sorry guys, but I won't be up to much contributing for another 5 hours, unless I get this stuff done faster than I'm expecting to.

I skimmed thru, and it looks like Game got us an extension, so it shouldnt' matter too much
k, back in (hopefully) a bit

[Liosan]

Fener, on Dec 2 2008, 06:43 PM, said:

1. Thyr is telling the truth, in which case D'riss, Korlat, and Liosan are 2 of the scum (we have to have hit the symp right? Thats what I am going on anyway.) and of those

So, EVEN if Thyr is telling the truth, and is the soldier, you havent put silanah down as scum? If Thyr is the soldier, Sil STILL isnt scum?
WTF!

[Fener]

The way I see it is this. We lynch Thyr now. If he comes back inno, then he was telling the truth, and our Killers are between D'riss Korlat and Liosan.

If he comes back evil, the our last Killer is either Gamelon, D'riss, or Korlat.

Either way Sil is dead tonight, and hopefully guards/heals me again. as then it will be me and Liosanleft to determine who is scum between the three.

I actually hope Thyr comes back inno as it would make for a much easier victory...I just don't think he will.

[Liosan]

Why would Sil be dead tonight?
If he isnt the soldier, hes almost certainly a killer, so why would he die?

Am I missing something?

This post has been edited by Liosan: 02 December 2008 - 04:52 PM

[Fener]

Liosan, on Dec 2 2008, 08:49 AM, said:

Fener, on Dec 2 2008, 06:43 PM, said:

1. Thyr is telling the truth, in which case D'riss, Korlat, and Liosan are 2 of the scum (we have to have hit the symp right? Thats what I am going on anyway.) and of those

So, EVEN if Thyr is telling the truth, and is the soldier, you havent put silanah down as scum? If Thyr is the soldier, Sil STILL isnt scum?
WTF!

Dude, I know I am inno. no one died last night. He revealed first thing this morniing before anyone said anything, there was no pressure. Unless Sil has been planning this for ages I just can't see him as scum.

[Liosan]

There was no pressure.
Why reveal then?

That wasnt my point anyway.

My point was, why have you got silanah down as CI, when hes involved in a claim-counterclaim.

[Fener]

Liosan, on Dec 2 2008, 08:52 AM, said:

Why would Sil be dead tonight?
If he isnt the soldier, hes almost certainly a killer, so why would he die?

Am I missing something?

Sorry, I guess I am not seeing this from your point of view lol. I know I am inno so it makes it really easy for me to make these assumptions. You have no idea if I am inno so its a much tougher pill for you to swallow. In my eyes this isn't a rash decision. Like I said, I hope Thyr actually does come up innocent. It makes it almost a sure victory.
The reason I assume Sil would die tonight... Its awefully dangerous for a killer to leave a powerful role like that around. He might get lucky on another heal/guard making it that much easier for the inno's

[Fener]

Liosan, on Dec 2 2008, 08:55 AM, said:

There was no pressure.
Why reveal then?

That wasnt my point anyway.

My point was, why have you got silanah down as CI, when hes involved in a claim-counterclaim.

See my previous post... That being said..If Thyr does come back inno... I guess you are right he's not CI. We might have to lynch him to prove it, but Damn if it doesn't fit perfectly.

[Fener]

Bah, you are right though, If thyr does come back inno, the killers would be silly to kill Sil as he is a sure lynch the next day. This sucks.

[Liosan]

Im not sure why you being inno has anything to do with Sil being inno.
If hes a killer, he knows who the innos are, and even if you're a killer, you wouldnt admit it.

It is unlikely there are 2 soldiers.

Therefore, one of those claiming soldier, is likely evil.

There is no way to tell which.

However, Thyr revealed second, with little pressure.
Why would you, when its got a high chance of getting you killed, particularly if sil gets lynched and turns up inno.

[Liosan]

You aren't getting me, I dont think.

If Thyr comes back inno, Sil is 90% likely a killer!
Why would he die!

Thats why I am so wary of believing him.
As far as I can tell, he cant "prove" that he is a soldier.

[Liosan]

Not only that, but the person he's calling CI, is coming on, calling him CI, and throwing a vote on a train which could end VERY quickly.

[Fener]

Liosan, on Dec 2 2008, 09:03 AM, said:

You aren't getting me, I dont think.

If Thyr comes back inno, Sil is 90% likely a killer!
Why would he die!

Thats why I am so wary of believing him.
As far as I can tell, he cant "prove" that he is a soldier.

You're right. But of the 2, I have been on Thyr since the begining. I am staying there. If he comes back inno, we lynch Sil. At this point its as simple as that. They can both tell us who they supposedly guard and we see what happens. But we have to lynch one of the 2 and Thyr is way more of a Lynch candidate in my eyes than Sil.

[Liosan]

It IS NOT as simple as that.
If there are 3 scum left, and we lynch wrong, they win.

Not only that, but shouldnt we be a little cautious of lynching a possible power-role?

[Liosan]

Another main objection is that I can see no reason for sil to reveal.
It doesnt clear anybody, save him, so why bother?
Especially when he was under little/no pressure.

[Fener]

Liosan, on Dec 2 2008, 09:06 AM, said:

Not only that, but the person he's calling CI, is coming on, calling him CI, and throwing a vote on a train which could end VERY quickly.

One good thing is that you aren't jumping on, it just reaffirms my feelings that you are inno. And you are right, I didn;t take fully into accountwhat the double reveal implications were. I guess you just need to decide who you believe more.

[Liosan]

And we have a lot of time, afaik, to do so, and he is now at L-2.

[Fener]

Liosan, on Dec 2 2008, 09:08 AM, said:

It IS NOT as simple as that.
If there are 3 scum left, and we lynch wrong, they win.

Not only that, but shouldnt we be a little cautious of lynching a possible power-role?

So are you saying we should just let both of them live? I guess that might work. I need to think about it.

remove vote

[Liosan]

Im not sure letting both live is a great idea, however:

I doubt both of them are killers, unless its some supreme play, where one would be CI'd and go on to win.

There ought to be another killer out there somewhere, so if we find him then that will probably lead us to decide which is evil and which isnt, although there are 2 of them, 50/50 chance of hitting evil, so I think we should lynch one.

Im also glad you've removed vote, makes me lots less anxious.