[Meanas]

Internet connection is buggered again

Will talk if possible, should hopefully be on later.

[Rashan]

good morning.
A super awesome fun time to awaken still breathing, I'm impressed the blood thirsty mob managed to stay their hands.

I'm heading to a conference now for a few hours so i'll have to leave it in the hands of the gods and hope you dont lynch me.
suffice to say it would be a waste of another of our lynches, giving the scum further chance to "help" burrow deeper under cover, kill more innos and give our cultists another free run at recruiting.
Seeing as we arent allowed to claim names I can't claim, DiBs orders not mine.

bck in afew, likely dead

[Galain]

Rashan, if you say your lynch is a waste, you could propose your own alternative. Not that we would listen today, but if you turn out inno then that opinion will become interesting. It's a team game

Do you think Tennes is purely lying, or do you think there's an explaination we don't see?

[Tennes]

Fener, on Nov 12 2008, 11:20 PM, said:

I am however concerned about Serc dying. One could argue that he was killed because he hinted he was roled, but there is also a small chance the scum didn't want us to listen to him, so what about him was bad for the scum?

Well I know Rashan is an Ivet, so he must have killed serc in order to try and WIFOM us into thinking that he is inno.
After all, why would rashan kill the only person who was defending him? To appear more town like...thats why.

Vote Rashan

[Tennes]

How many votes is that?

[Tennes]

Rashan, on Nov 13 2008, 08:06 AM, said:

good morning.
A super awesome fun time to awaken still breathing, I'm impressed the blood thirsty mob managed to stay their hands.

I'm heading to a conference now for a few hours so i'll have to leave it in the hands of the gods and hope you dont lynch me.
suffice to say it would be a waste of another of our lynches, giving the scum further chance to "help" burrow deeper under cover, kill more innos and give our cultists another free run at recruiting.
Seeing as we arent allowed to claim names I can't claim, DiBs orders not mine.

bck in afew, likely dead

Your attempts at throwing us off are... admirable .

[Galain]

There's one missing I think, and I'm lurking around.

Only Telas, Korvy and Ruse didn't speak today, besides Korvy they usually participate so I don't mind waiting a bit

[Liosan]

ah, he is not lynched yet, I am proud of you guys ..

So, if Rashan turns up guilty today, then there's 1 killer around and in all likelihood several cultists (if the cult works as we expect it to)..

So, then, who would they be? Rashan's partner has surely distanced himself as much as possible at this point (unless Serc was a symp but it seemed clear from the intro it would be three killers). Then there's the cult.. I'm not really sure where to go to get hold of them.. Korvalain? He struck me as scummy but he's saying so little it's hard to say..

Atm I think
Korvalain
Fener
Galain

The problem is that there's so little to go on. Yes, Rashan's lynch BP (which is a fairly new invention btb, generally a BP means nigh kill immunity) really made a mess of things. Hopefully well discover more tomorow. Perhaps there's another finder role somewhere.. we'll see

[Galain]

Cult will be a bitch to find, specially since it's less clear how many they started with and how often/how easily they can recruit.

But anyways, until now we haven't yet lynched an inno (at least I'm 99% sure) so we're doing good. I don't think Dibs would have assumed such a start from us in his game balance.

This post has been edited by Galain: 13 November 2008 - 09:01 AM

[Liosan]

Galain, on Nov 13 2008, 11:01 AM, said:

Cult will be a bitch to find, specially since it's less clear how many they started with and how often/how easily they can recruit.

But anyways, until then we haven't yet lynched an inno (at least I'm 99% sure) so we're doing good. I don't think Dibs would have assumed such a start from us in his game balance.

No, I wonder what he's thinking right now. Is he laughing or is he crying?

[Galain]

Depends how much he had to drink last night

[Liosan]

Galain, on Nov 13 2008, 11:04 AM, said:

Depends how much he had to drink last night

yeah, and whether it hurts for him to sit


anyways... I'm going to play around with oblivion on my new, ridiculously cheap 360

[Telas]

Its so very tempting to hammer Rashan now. But doing so robs anyone who can think of anything to discuss in the day of the opportunity to do so. So I will withhold my vote for the time being.

Liosan, is you list people you think are killers or people you think are cult?

[Shadow]

Galain, on Nov 13 2008, 03:19 AM, said:

Rashan, if you say your lynch is a waste, you could propose your own alternative. Not that we would listen today, but if you turn out inno then that opinion will become interesting. It's a team game

Do you think Tennes is purely lying, or do you think there's an explaination we don't see?

With all due respect Galain, he has been going on how lynching him is a mistake since yesterday, starting during the day and going on through night. He is hammering home the point that we lose valuable talking time and that the cult goes around doing stuff (funnily, yesterday, it was the Ivets he said we were helping to win). You're asking him this question for the second time now, and he's not very accomodating.

In all that time since yesterday, he could have proposed a different course and a way to do it. He didn't. The reason for that is simple: to quit his persecution now, would be to go without info for a day again, and he knows that. It's more than likely that he doesn't know who's scum and who isn't, or only knows his own side, and why would he help us with that? We'd say: thanks for the insight, and now you go down. Even if he or his side being close to a loss is no reason to help another faction achieve victory.

Now, I'm all in favor of letting the day run for at least 24 hours, because it will provide discussion, which we will need to base our next actions on, and will force everyone to post during . For example, if he is an Ivet, what are we going to do? The course is much clearer if he's not an Ivet (lynch Tennes, and you). We can't rely on finders for they may have been recruited or possessed.

The problem right now is this: anything we say is likely to touch the subject of Rashan, or will lead back to him.

[Galain]

Of course, I'm not waiting to hammer for Rashan's answer to my question, but for everyone else to come and post at least once today.

My question was actually a point I was making, that if he was really inno he would take another route by now and give us his best for us to come back to after the lynch and inno CF.

[Telas]

@ Shadow - If Rashan is an Ivet we go reread the thread looking for any actions that link with him and for anyone whose style of posting changes, indicating possession or recruitment.

[Korvalain]

Alrighty, caught up again. With the events. My take on things:

Rashan needs to go, Tennes story seems logical and consistent and certainly believable. I don't know the books but from what I'm reading here Quinn is one bad mutha so getting rid of him is priority.

The Serc killing makes no sense to me though. There's no way killing him would make us think Rashan is innocent. Serc was the only one defending Rashan so if Serc was a symp, why bother killing your symp. Why would any Ivet kill Serc as well, chances are when/if Rashan comes back Ivet, we would have taken a long hard look at Serc and quite possibly lynched him. Why kill the next days lynch?

If possession works like the FM, could Serc have been possesed and then moved bodies? Seems pretty unlikely though but I'm willing to entertain it as a thought.

[Galain]

I'm more and more tempted to believe that Rashan, if he is indeed Quinn, did not know about the lynch BP. I don't even think it was a lynch BP per se, I think we triggered the possession stuff

Anyways, one more reason to start by finishing off Quinn, better it happened from a lynch than from a vig attack, which might have remained undetected.

Edit: so only Ruse is missing. Should we even wait for him? I'm getting damned curious here

This post has been edited by Galain: 13 November 2008 - 10:18 AM

[Ruse]

All caught up. Only one NK, which is a relief, and as stated by other people, backs up Tennes's story quite well.

What the hell Serc was doing is beyond me. His proof for his almost reveal was going to be 'PS will back me up'. So unless he had some weird role that could force PS to do his bidding, I dont see how that would have worked out, or how he saw it working out. The symp suggestion makes more sense then most - some last ditched effort to save his boss by generally being confusing and making some ridiculous roleclaim.

I agree, let's keep Rashan around for a little while. I'd like to hear from all the people who came on this morning and drive-by'd rashan. I know it's agreed he's going down, but one or two posts with a vote per day isnt participation...

Regarding the cult and recruiting mechanics. I asked PS if people who get recruited still get the result of that night's action. He said yes, as the order of night actions is normal -> recruits -> deaths. I dont know if this means recruited players keep their actions (scary thought), but it does tell us that roled players can be recruited. Since that isnt a restriction, I would assume there would have to be some other mechanic to slow them down. Either some sort of decoder (obviously dont reveal if you are one), or two days to recruit or something. Because if they can recruit anyone they want, once a day, they could recruit as fast as we lynch. Meaning we cant technically stop them, unless there's tons of vigs still floating around. So I would think there are three cult at this point, but I'm not discounting the possibility that there might be four. One other thought is that only Laton (and possibly camllia) can recruit (it doesnt get passed on when they die), so we have to try hit them, rather than people who got recruited.

[Galain]

Once on a Westeros game there was this guy (Piper, actually) who wanted to prove his role by doing something that would be a mod-kill offense according to his role PM, problem was it was a replacement mod around at the time and he didn't want to make that kind of decision.

It was a 100+ posts mess as he was arguing both with us and the mod that the fact he was still alive was NOT proof he was lying.

Messy stuff