[Galain]

Ruse, you really think we should wait for the early posters/voters to come back before finishing the lynch? What would it help, honestly?

[Korvalain]

If someone wants to wait then I think we should wait, but I don't see any reason for waiting. I'm not sure what more infomation we are going to gain by waiting. There aren't too many other prime suspects at the moment and its not like any train is going to start up on anyone else or vote for someone else.

[Ruse]

Well, I dont particularly want to wait for the rest of the day without doing anything. But a LOT of people are getting a free ride at this point. I feel there's maybe four or five people who are actually playing, and a whole bunch more who show up every now and again, repeat something that's been said before/summarise what's happened, cast a vote and leave.

[Ruse]

Korvalain, on Nov 13 2008, 12:40 PM, said:

If someone wants to wait then I think we should wait, but I don't see any reason for waiting. I'm not sure what more infomation we are going to gain by waiting. There aren't too many other prime suspects at the moment and its not like any train is going to start up on anyone else or vote for someone else.

We could talk about the cult - see my post 839. So limited recruiters, lots of anti-cult players, every second day recruitment or some other way of nerfing the cult? Because the way I see it, they're WAY too strong if there isnt something slowing them down.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 3, you have 24 hours remaining.

17 players remain, 9 to lynch, 9 to go to night.

8 votes for rashan (emurlahn, fener, galayn lord, hp, mockra, omtose, shadow, tennes)

[Shadow]

Galain, on Nov 13 2008, 05:26 AM, said:

Ruse, you really think we should wait for the early posters/voters to come back before finishing the lynch? What would it help, honestly?

They shouldn't talk about the reason for lynching. You can copy/paste any of the previous texts for them. They should talk on where to take it from there. So far, only Telas did that. so, my 2 cents:

If Rashan is Quinn or another nameless Ivet:
I'm thinking it would be a good idea to search for the missing corner of the triangle Anomandaris - Rashan - ..?.. Matching their posts next to one another should give us some insight, but I do not expect overly much : Sadly, Anomandaris has only 13 posts including the drunk post, and Rashan was alledgedly drunk for most of the first day and defending himself since 8 hours into day 2.

I fear there are currently no real clues of the cult, but I'm quite confident that we retain the means to cull their numbers and take out their leaders, rather then having to rely on Ivet killers to finish those Edenists of.
After all, we have quite a succesrate so far and we could have been far worse off than we were so far, with 1 killer down day 1 and a very likely killer going down today. Also, if we can take out all the Ivets, numbers only go down through vigs and lynches, should allow us to keep up with the cult. So, I definately think we are ahead of schedule and bought ourselves some time.

Spotting the possessed will just be about keeping our eyes open I guess, and cult and us share the same objective: both don't want those guys around.

Oh, and if he's not Ivet:
We lynch Tennes, and I'll bring my Galain case up again and see what i can add to it.

[Tennes]

Ruse, on Nov 13 2008, 10:46 AM, said:

Korvalain, on Nov 13 2008, 12:40 PM, said:

If someone wants to wait then I think we should wait, but I don't see any reason for waiting. I'm not sure what more infomation we are going to gain by waiting. There aren't too many other prime suspects at the moment and its not like any train is going to start up on anyone else or vote for someone else.

We could talk about the cult - see my post 839. So limited recruiters, lots of anti-cult players, every second day recruitment or some other way of nerfing the cult? Because the way I see it, they're WAY too strong if there isnt something slowing them down.

I would think that there has to be limitations to the cult obviously.
My best guess would be that they can only recruit certain people. I would go further than that and guess they can only recruit Town folk.
I dont see killers or possessed being able to get recruited.

There must be a recruiter, and after last night i would guess that we can conclude that one person perhaps was recruited.
The new recruit should now know who his "master" is.
So in the end they should behave very similarly to killers in how they react to one another.
So i say we just continue huting scum as per usual.

[Ruse]

I agree with that assessment Shadow. I'm still not sure about the whole galain thing, and we could drag the Gamelon case back up. Hopefully by the time we reach that point, more info will be available. If people want day to end, I can hammer, but I agree with Rashan on the fact that two quick days early in the game means that once he's lynched (especially is he's an ivet) we have exactly the same info we were sitting with day one, which isnt much.

[Telas]

Ruse, on Nov 13 2008, 10:43 AM, said:

Well, I dont particularly want to wait for the rest of the day without doing anything. But a LOT of people are getting a free ride at this point. I feel there's maybe four or five people who are actually playing, and a whole bunch more who show up every now and again, repeat something that's been said before/summarise what's happened, cast a vote and leave.

This is fair comment, the problem its very hard to condemn someone for saying generally intelligent things, even if they are repeating someone else. It becomes especially hard if Rashan does in fact come up Ivet because then they'd have simply been agreeing with the correct viewpoint. Until we move past the Rashan/Tennes thing there is very little motivation for people to think independently.

For your comments about the cult, I would imagine that regardless of how many people they started with (Two, I think from the opening) the cult is normal in the sense that it only has one recruiter and once that recruiter is dead they lose the ability to grow the cult. That is probably the simplest answer (that may be a dumb reason to believe it, this being a dibs game and all) and allows for the worst case scenario where there is a recruitment every night.

[Ruse]

Telas, on Nov 13 2008, 01:02 PM, said:

Ruse, on Nov 13 2008, 10:43 AM, said:

Well, I dont particularly want to wait for the rest of the day without doing anything. But a LOT of people are getting a free ride at this point. I feel there's maybe four or five people who are actually playing, and a whole bunch more who show up every now and again, repeat something that's been said before/summarise what's happened, cast a vote and leave.

This is fair comment, the problem its very hard to condemn someone for saying generally intelligent things, even if they are repeating someone else. It becomes especially hard if Rashan does in fact come up Ivet because then they'd have simply been agreeing with the correct viewpoint. Until we move past the Rashan/Tennes thing there is very little motivation for people to think independently.

For your comments about the cult, I would imagine that regardless of how many people they started with (Two, I think from the opening) the cult is normal in the sense that it only has one recruiter and once that recruiter is dead they lose the ability to grow the cult. That is probably the simplest answer (that may be a dumb reason to believe it, this being a dibs game and all) and allows for the worst case scenario where there is a recruitment every night.

The more I think about it, the more I think only Laton and Camilla will be able to recruit. I dont see there being a single recruiter, as a lucky hit early game would break the cult, and possibly the game. Something I'm sure DiBs has spent a lot of time making sure wont happen. So two recruiters nakes a lot of sense to me, specially considering the size of this game.

I know that coming in and agreeing with the obvious course of action isn't scum per se. But it is a very easy way for scum to hide for a while. And since so many people are doing so, it's difficult to use it as evidence later in the game. Some people are still making an effort to discuss things, put forward new ideas etc which I appreciate and would like to see more of from the other players.

[Korvalain]

I for one are guilty of not contributing or putting things forward, I think this is post number 6 or so. I apologise just been busy unfortunately.

But adding to the discussions, we had 3 Ivets so after Rashan will have one left. I still don't like Meanas after his day 1 vote on Tellan with 3 hours to go and not voting Ano, so he's my candidate for the last remaining Ivet.

There was also Gamelon who after role revealing in his first day 1 post was looking likely for a lynch there. Trouble is thats all there is on him, that I can recall.

We've been a bit of a victem of our own success in tracking scum so quickly, there hasn't been pressure on many people so there isn't a lot of info to go on. Catching the cult will be a little difficult because we don't have the same finger pointing and voting to go look back on and see if anyone has swapped allegiances etc. I think as someone else said, we should just hunt scum like normal and see how it goes.

[Path-Shaper]

As a player is at L-1 can people send in their provisional night actions please.

FOREWARNING - I am not available Sunday and Monday so am currently searching for a comod, the game will take a break once the first day of the weekend begins and will restart Monday at twelve with a full 24 hours remaining. Eg night ends Saturday at noon, day will begin, but timer will stop until monday at noon. I should be back on monday night.

SO ANYONE NOT PLAYING WANTING TO CO-MOD THE WEEKEND FOR ME PLEASE LET ME KNOW

[Ruse]

We are kinda victims of our own success. 90% of the info we'v got is from day one, and pretty soon the people who seems guilty on day one will be gone. So far there's been no 'obvious' defense of scum so far. Meanas is still slightly suspicious. Rashan claimed the whole case on him was distraction from galain or meanas. A pretty weak argument, since neither of them were under much pressure, but it should still be kept in mind over the next day or two.

I foresee some very detailed rereads of the last few days once rashan is lynched, no matter what his CF is.

General consensus please - Do we want day to end already. I can hammer if people want and hopefully we can have a morning scene before the weekend freeze comes into effect.

[Telas]

Ruse, on Nov 13 2008, 11:11 AM, said:

The more I think about it, the more I think only Laton and Camilla will be able to recruit. I dont see there being a single recruiter, as a lucky hit early game would break the cult, and possibly the game. Something I'm sure DiBs has spent a lot of time making sure wont happen. So two recruiters nakes a lot of sense to me, specially considering the size of this game.

I would think two recruiters would be hellishly overbalanced toward the cult. Maybe sequenced, but no more than that.

Ruse, on Nov 13 2008, 11:11 AM, said:

I know that coming in and agreeing with the obvious course of action isn't scum per se. But it is a very easy way for scum to hide for a while. And since so many people are doing so, it's difficult to use it as evidence later in the game. Some people are still making an effort to discuss things, put forward new ideas etc which I appreciate and would like to see more of from the other players.

Agreed. This is actually an argument for hammering Rashan quickly so that the game can move on.

[Korvalain]

Well I think if Rashan comes back town I'll be rather surprised and we'll have some seriously thinking to do, and I imagine lynching Tennes.

I'm happy to end day whenever, I don't think we're going to get too much more from today, Rashan is too big a target.

[Shadow]

Hammer him if you think he is being used as an easy alibi. If he comes back as town/edenist, we've got another day of everyone queuing up to lynch Tennes with the oh so predictable reasons (Rashan wasn't Ivet). If he comes back as an Ivet, we'll have a full day before the weekend break to investigate.

Keeping him artificially alive will not yield much as those who want to hide can:
"not a lot of time, gotta hurry, but I fully support his lynch!"
"yeah, but that's not what we want to kno-o-ow... what do you think of..."
"no time, gotta go, see you in 15 hours!"

Or so I predict.

[Ruse]

Telas, on Nov 13 2008, 01:39 PM, said:

Ruse, on Nov 13 2008, 11:11 AM, said:

The more I think about it, the more I think only Laton and Camilla will be able to recruit. I dont see there being a single recruiter, as a lucky hit early game would break the cult, and possibly the game. Something I'm sure DiBs has spent a lot of time making sure wont happen. So two recruiters nakes a lot of sense to me, specially considering the size of this game.

I would think two recruiters would be hellishly overbalanced toward the cult. Maybe sequenced, but no more than that.

I meant in terms of one recruit per night, but if laton dies, camilla becomes the recruiter. Once she dies, no more recruits.

[Telas]

Whatever, I thought I'd give conversation a try. It isn't leading anywhere truly constructive so.

Vote Rashan

[Emurlahn]

I think that ending the day would be good, as we all our arguments and suggestions are revolving around the result of the Rashan lynch so I reckon the game will flow smoother once weve got him off our backs.
Now I think he will come back guilty myself, which leaves me at a lost because noone has been defending him that i can see, but I will look back a bit more when I have time after I've done my work.
But If he's innocent, then yeah we will have to look at Tennes, Galain and Meanas: As Tennes basically put his life on the line to get Rashan lynched I am thinking he's at worst a symp for either Meanas or Galain if any of them are guilty. Or it could all just be one big clusterfuck and Tennes just had the bad luck to get an incorrect find from Rashan and post about it when 2 other people are under scrutiny.
I'm thinking back and from what I remember the person who was making me the most suspicious apart from Rashan was Meanas and his not voting so I think that would be a good place to start if Rashan does prove to be innocent (though I doubt it ).

[Telas]

Ruse, on Nov 13 2008, 11:52 AM, said:

Telas, on Nov 13 2008, 01:39 PM, said:

Ruse, on Nov 13 2008, 11:11 AM, said:

The more I think about it, the more I think only Laton and Camilla will be able to recruit. I dont see there being a single recruiter, as a lucky hit early game would break the cult, and possibly the game. Something I'm sure DiBs has spent a lot of time making sure wont happen. So two recruiters nakes a lot of sense to me, specially considering the size of this game.

I would think two recruiters would be hellishly overbalanced toward the cult. Maybe sequenced, but no more than that.

I meant in terms of one recruit per night, but if laton dies, camilla becomes the recruiter. Once she dies, no more recruits.

That's what I meant by sequenced. It a possibility, but I reckon just the one is more likely.