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Posted 24 June 2009 - 01:11 PM

View PostAztiel, on Jun 22 2009, 11:37 PM, said:

I kind of hesitate to get into this thread, but: AHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Terry Goodkind is not done yet, and is bringing evil chickens, repetition, and hackneyed philosophy to a new world. Our OWN!

http://www.amazon.com/Law-Nines-Terry-Good...0175&sr=8-1

Apologies if this has been brought up earlier in the thread, but I can't be bothered to read back through 24 pages of things I agree with.




It gets worse (or better)...unless someone is making an elaborate joke...

Saw this on the asoiaf-forum. From a review at publisher's weekly:

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Bestseller Goodkind (Confessor) ventures into thriller territory with results sure to please fans of his fantasy fiction. In the opening pages, Alex Rahl, the book’s unwitting hero, saves the beautiful Jax from being run down on the street in Orden, Neb., by a plumbing truck flying a pirate flag. Jax, who turns out to be from an alternate reality where evildoers are attempting to seize control of her civilization, has traveled to Nebraska to seek Alex’s help in saving her people. In Jax’s world, magic takes the place of technology, but on earth she’s stripped of her powers and forced to fight armed with only her trusty dagger. The author takes his time setting all this up, but once the story gets rolling, it’s a gripping ride as the bad guys whoosh in between their world, which remains unseen, and ours. Fantasy and thriller readers alike will find themselves swept along to the final confrontation and looking forward to the next installment. (Sept.)

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 01:19 PM

View Postvoland, on Jun 24 2009, 03:11 PM, said:

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Bestseller Goodkind (Confessor) ventures into rape territory with results sure to please rape fans of his rape fiction. In the opening pages, Alex Rahl, the book's unwitting hero, saves the beautiful Jax from being raped on the street in Orden, Neb., by a rape truck flying a pirate flag (The rape is implied). Jax, who turns out to be from an alternate reality where rapists are attempting to rape her civilization, has traveled to Nebraska to seek Alex's help in saving her people (from rape). In Jax's world, rape takes the place of technology, but on earth she's stripped of her powers and forced to fight armed with only her trusty dagger. The author takes his time setting all this rape up, but once the story gets rolling, it's a gripping ride as the bad rapists whoosh in between their world, which remains unseen, and ours. Fantasy and thriller readers alike (and rape fans) will find themselves swept along to the final confrontation and looking forward to the next installment (of rape). (Sept.)


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Posted 24 June 2009 - 01:59 PM

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View PostGrimhilde, on Jun 19 2009, 02:42 PM, said:

I think I would beg for the sweet release of death if I had to read those books.


So you're saying TG's books should be administered to dying people?


No he's saying they should only be read by the dying. That way we wouldn't be needlessly exposing otherwise healthy people to the soul eroding (and potentially suicide inducing) awfulness of TG.

EDIT: I was just thinking I'd love to think that in some way TG got to read this thread and that our work here might make him shed a single tear at how much we hate the clunge.


They shouldn't be read at all...maybe by criminals. Captial punishment is nothing compared to The Shearded One reading his stories to you in audio book format over the speaker system.


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View Postvoland, on Jun 24 2009, 03:11 PM, said:

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Bestseller Goodkind (Confessor) ventures into rape territory with results sure to please rape fans of his rape fiction. In the opening pages, Alex Rahl, the book's unwitting hero, saves the beautiful Jax from being raped on the street in Orden, Neb., by a rape truck flying a pirate flag (The rape is implied). Jax, who turns out to be from an alternate reality where rapists are attempting to rape her civilization, has traveled to Nebraska to seek Alex's help in saving her people (from rape). In Jax's world, rape takes the place of technology, but on earth she's stripped of her powers and forced to fight armed with only her trusty dagger. The author takes his time setting all this rape up, but once the story gets rolling, it's a gripping ride as the bad rapists whoosh in between their world, which remains unseen, and ours. Fantasy and thriller readers alike (and rape fans) will find themselves swept along to the final confrontation and looking forward to the next installment (of rape). (Sept.)




OMG, LOL.

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Posted 27 June 2009 - 05:28 AM

I am truly wounded by the lack of truth within this thread.
Surely you appreciate Goodkind's exceptional writing?
I would like to quote the great Mister Goodkind himself in an effort to create a proper disscussion of his work.
' One of the mistakes fantasy writers make is that they think if they throw some magic in, people will be astounded. If the color red, for example, existed only as a result of magic, what difference would that make? If your wall is painted red because you got the red from magic instead of red ochre, it wouldn't make any difference in your life. People throw things like that in, and what's the point? I never allow my characters to use magic to solve their problems. Some of their peripheral problems are solved through their magical abilities, but it's couched in terms of overcoming those problems in a thinking way. The major conflicts in the books are always solved through human intellect, through thinking out the problem and coming up with a solution. It's never "I'll just wave my magic wand over the bad guys and have them all fall down dead!" '
Do you feel that Mister Goodkind succesfully avoids the cliche of Deus Ex Machina magic?

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Posted 27 June 2009 - 05:37 AM

So he doesn't like using magic as a crutch, but the ending of the series was one big magical deus ex machina. Gotta love it.
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Posted 27 June 2009 - 05:40 AM

View PostAptorian, on Jun 27 2009, 06:37 AM, said:

So he doesn't like using magic as a crutch, but the ending of the series was one big magical deus ex machina. Gotta love it.

I believe calling the finale a Deus Ex Machina is somewhat unfair. There were hints throughout the series that the universe simply could not exist in a balanced state as it was, and Richard's finely crafted persona left only one solution.
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Posted 27 June 2009 - 05:41 AM

Did someone say "Boxes of Orden"?

Tell me, o acolyte of the Great Yearded One...what did the end of SoT have to do with the nobility of the human spirit?

From terrygoodkind.co.uk :

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Terry writes about the nobility of the human Spirit, the beauty of life and the power of an individual.

The President (2012) said:

Please proceed, Governor.

Chris Christie (2016) said:

There it is.

Elizabeth Warren (2020) said:

And no, I’m not talking about Donald Trump. I’m talking about Mayor Bloomberg.
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Posted 27 June 2009 - 05:44 AM

View PostTerez, on Jun 27 2009, 06:41 AM, said:

Did someone say "Boxes of Orden"?

Tell me, o acolyte of the Great Yearded One...what did the end of SoT have to do with the nobility of the human spirit?

From terrygoodkind.co.uk :

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Terry writes about the nobility of the human Spirit, the beauty of life and the power of an individual.


Well, while I cannot possibly speak for Mister Goodkind, I would assume the end of SoT attempted to show that humanity will always attempt to seperate itself out of being a shade of grey, regardless of knowledge of the Truth. Richard's actions, the use of the boxes of Orden, was an attempt by Goodkind to show how flawed even the most perfect of human is. The seperation of the two worlds was a metaphor for the seperation of good from evil, yet, we all know there is no such thing as black and white.
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Posted 27 June 2009 - 05:52 AM

View PostRahl, on Jun 27 2009, 12:44 AM, said:

View PostTerez, on Jun 27 2009, 06:41 AM, said:

Did someone say "Boxes of Orden"?

Tell me, o acolyte of the Great Yearded One...what did the end of SoT have to do with the nobility of the human spirit?

From terrygoodkind.co.uk :

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Terry writes about the nobility of the human Spirit, the beauty of life and the power of an individual.


Well, while I cannot possibly speak for Mister Goodkind, I would assume the end of SoT attempted to show that humanity will always attempt to seperate itself out of being a shade of grey, regardless of knowledge of the Truth. Richard's actions, the use of the boxes of Orden, was an attempt by Goodkind to show how flawed even the most perfect of human is. The seperation of the two worlds was a metaphor for the seperation of good from evil, yet, we all know there is no such thing as black and white.

That makes no sense whatsoever. You say "we all know there is no such thing as black and white" - so why would he choose to end it that way rather than with a revolution within the Imperial Order army? Because he so totally had that set up in the last book, and he got...what? One guy to switch sides? He also had potential for a wildfire revolution through the Old World, and book six did a really good job of setting that up. Even most people who hate Goodkind now will say that book six was a pretty good book as far as Goodkind books go.

But he pretty much threw that out, and in the end the only way to do anything about the evil in the world was to exile it to a separate dimension.

The President (2012) said:

Please proceed, Governor.

Chris Christie (2016) said:

There it is.

Elizabeth Warren (2020) said:

And no, I’m not talking about Donald Trump. I’m talking about Mayor Bloomberg.
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Posted 27 June 2009 - 06:00 AM

View PostTerez, on Jun 27 2009, 06:52 AM, said:

View PostRahl, on Jun 27 2009, 12:44 AM, said:

View PostTerez, on Jun 27 2009, 06:41 AM, said:

Did someone say "Boxes of Orden"?

Tell me, o acolyte of the Great Yearded One...what did the end of SoT have to do with the nobility of the human spirit?

From terrygoodkind.co.uk :

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Terry writes about the nobility of the human Spirit, the beauty of life and the power of an individual.


Well, while I cannot possibly speak for Mister Goodkind, I would assume the end of SoT attempted to show that humanity will always attempt to seperate itself out of being a shade of grey, regardless of knowledge of the Truth. Richard's actions, the use of the boxes of Orden, was an attempt by Goodkind to show how flawed even the most perfect of human is. The seperation of the two worlds was a metaphor for the seperation of good from evil, yet, we all know there is no such thing as black and white.

That makes no sense whatsoever. You say "we all know there is no such thing as black and white" - so why would he choose to end it that way rather than with a revolution within the Imperial Order army? Because he so totally had that set up in the last book, and he got...what? One guy to switch sides? He also had potential for a wildfire revolution through the Old World, and book six did a really good job of setting that up. Even most people who hate Goodkind now will say that book six was a pretty good book as far as Goodkind books go.

But he pretty much threw that out, and in the end the only way to do anything about the evil in the world was to exile it to a separate dimension.

Truthfully, I don't know, nor like Mystar, do I ever presume to speak for Terry. However, I think it would have been far too obvious for an IO revolution in Faith, and Mister Goodkind does try to avoid the obvious. Also, I think the idea of a real, physical revolution may have been just a little too solid for Mister Goodkind's tastes; if you have read any of his interviews, his opinions on government and sedition are very strongly worded.
Also, the point I was trying to make above is that no matter what we do, we try and see the world and people in it in terms of good and evil.

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Posted 27 June 2009 - 07:10 AM

awesome.

Assail has calmed down and accepted the fact that the majority of us find Badkind's writing somewhat lacking
in terms of characterisation, plot, or original thought.

And suddenly The Shining Enigma returns to us under another name.

this will have me chuckling again.
meh. Link was dead :(
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Posted 27 June 2009 - 07:31 AM

Shining Enigma? Sir, you are sorely mistaken. I am a simple seeker of truth, a soul that seems so single-minded as to be a simpleton. This secretive scholar and scientist, sorrowfully the sole soldier of his cause, stands straight to support and strengthen the philosophy of the saviour Goodkind. Simply put, I stand in solitude against the spite that speeds towards several spectacularly insightful philosophies that, should I succesfully survive this storm, I hope to spread.
Sadly, it seems I speak so spiritfully I am surprised I haven't started anew, so let me say that I am seldom more satisfied than I am now, and it should suffice to call me the Shining Enigma.
I mean, Rahl.

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Posted 27 June 2009 - 07:45 AM

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Trouble arrives when the opponents to such a system institute its extreme opposite, where individualism becomes godlike and sacrosanct, and no greater service to any other ideal (including community) is possible. In such a system rapacious greed thrives behind the guise of freedom, and the worst aspects of human nature come to the fore....
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Posted 27 June 2009 - 07:56 AM

I don't know, I like this Rahl guy. eh defends goodkind and doesn't afraid of anything.
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Posted 27 June 2009 - 08:08 AM

While usually, I would not contact Terry over something so unimportant, I felt a need to do so here.

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Hey guys

My name is Terry, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are cruel, spiteful, angry haters who spend every second of their day not reading my books. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you even read Ayn Rand? I mean, I guess it's fun reading other literature, but you take it to a whole new level. This is even worse than when I decided to add that chicken.

Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much perfect. I was a violin maker, carpenter, restorer of antiques, and college drop-out. What do you do, other than have a more stable job? I also get massive royalties for churning out crap, and have inspired a TV show (I'm not allowed near it; shit was so cash). You people should all read my books and discover the Truth. Thanks for listening.

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Posted 27 June 2009 - 08:11 AM

Ohh, well done sir, well done. We're obviously dealing with a scholar in the art of trolls here.
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Posted 27 June 2009 - 08:21 AM

View PostAptorian, on Jun 27 2009, 04:11 AM, said:

Ohh, well done sir, well done. We're obviously dealing with a scholar in the art of trolls here.


Seconded. Well done, sir Alt.
Trouble arrives when the opponents to such a system institute its extreme opposite, where individualism becomes godlike and sacrosanct, and no greater service to any other ideal (including community) is possible. In such a system rapacious greed thrives behind the guise of freedom, and the worst aspects of human nature come to the fore....
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Posted 27 June 2009 - 08:57 AM

Copy paste from /b/ is copy paste from /b/. Well done!

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Posted 27 June 2009 - 09:19 AM

Are you suggesting this was not a true quote from Goodkind? I'm shocked and appalled at the thought that some one would make such a falsification just to tarnish goodkinds reputation. Why would Rahl do that? He is a stand up kind of guy, surely.
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Posted 27 June 2009 - 09:42 AM

I find myself agreeing with the poster above me. Do you doubt the puissance of the Truth?
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