[redJAKO]

Weird to never see the T'lan Imass intent on destroying / capturing Icarium, despite the immense threat he can potentially wield to an entire continent...half Jaghut as well.

Any speculations?


Cheers.

[D'rek]

Maybe they just don't fight him because they don't have a death wish...

edit: apparently no one gets the pun...

This post has been edited by D'rek: 02 November 2008 - 10:57 PM

[Aptorian]

I think the problem is that he's about the most dangerous thing walking on legs. He's got magical senses and great instincts meaning it's neigh impossible to sneak up on the guy. If you do, you get about one swing before he starts keening, then you might get another swing before he goes full on nuclear on you.

Icarium is one of those creatures that you, in true Dresden Files Kincaid fashion, would want to take out with a sniper riffle at a 1000 leagues off. You don't want to get closer than that.

[Iconik]

D'rek, on Nov 1 2008, 08:42 PM, said:

Maybe they just don't fight him because they don't have a death wish...

This ^

[HoosierDaddy]

Maybe it's because he isn't full Jaghut? Or, they don't see him as a threat to "enslave" anyone, hell even if he did he'd forget the next day.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

Or (adding to the list of reasons, and straying into absurdity) Mappo beat them in poker and they had to agree not to kill Iccy.

[Lisheo]

It's probably because Icarium more than likely helps them. He goes mental when he sees injustice, remember, its mentioned a number of times, so he has probably vanquished a number of Tyrants in his time.
If anything, I'd love to see him and Mappo take a stroll across Assail.

[Jude]

Yeah you have to remember that the T'lan Imass aren't out there to stop dangerous things from existing. They're there to stop Tyranny from existing. That said, it would probably make more sense for them to have gone after someone like bidithal than Icarium. And I guess from the half Jaghut perspective, the only thing I've got here is that.. he's only half Jaghut?

P.S. *eyes narrow* verrrrryyyy clever, D'rek

[HoosierDaddy]

Aye, Jhag, not Jaghut. He's got relations with the TTT.

[Osric]

Well Icarium is pretty well liked by the communities he doesnt wipe off the face of the earth usually. I mean, when he's not singlehandedly stabbing everyone in the world with a sword he's usually making nifty clocks and the like.

Besides, the tlann dont hunt the species with some jaghut blood. It'd mean they'd have to hunt down the Toblakai as well, and they were pretty good friends back in the living days.

Quote

"As a Thelomen, I possess Jaghut blood, though of course Gothos would deny it."
- Bellurdan

GotM, US HC, p.237

And then:

Quote

'Your(Karsa's) kind walked this earth when the T'lan Imass were still flesh. From your blood came the Barghast and the Trell. You are Thelomen Toblakai.'
- Leoman

HoC, UK MMPB, p.262-3

So basically Barghast and Trell have at least some Jaghut blood as well.
Even though Barghast are descendants of the t'lann imass. I'm confused now. :S
Im re-reading MoI and it's said the barghast we're t'lann imass that couldn't get to the ritual in time cos the jaghut made a load of icebergs. So how can the Barghast be descendants from tolbakai? Cross breeding? >_>

Spoiler

And besides, if the ritual can reach some guy down in a mine, how did the other imass that couldn't get to the ritual not be affected? Meh!

Anyway I think we can safely say that they wont hunt down everyone with jaghut blood or they'd be killing everything on the planet. And they don't kill people for being a threat, their entire existence is based on vengeance, I don't think they even care that much about tyrants, I mean, they did help free raest... For some reason. Tool says that he's been sent cos he's clannless and no big loss in GotM so I doubt he's going against the wishes of the t'lann imass. But yeah they're not the police of the world, and they'd probably get destroyed anyway.

I seem to be creating more questions than I'm answering.

This post has been edited by Comrade Bubbabuska: 07 November 2008 - 07:39 PM

[Jude]

They for sure care about tyrants, otherwise they wouldn't be getting their asses handed to them on assail right now. That broken Imass girl that meets up with Envy in MoI says something to the effect of the ritual having to last even after all the Jaghut are gone because there will still be tyrants. Tool probably wasn't going against the T'lan Imass in freeing Raest in GotM because it was GotM and anything goes in that book.

[D'rek]

The Barghast were indeed Imass who didn't make it to the Ritual, but following that they actually lived almost entirely on boats, and they had Toblakai among them, so over time they no doubt all gained some amount of Toblakai blood via a bit of crossbreeding.

Jude, on Nov 5 2008, 05:25 PM, said:

They for sure care about tyrants, otherwise they wouldn't be getting their asses handed to them on assail right now. That broken Imass girl that meets up with Envy in MoI says something to the effect of the ritual having to last even after all the Jaghut are gone because there will still be tyrants. Tool probably wasn't going against the T'lan Imass in freeing Raest in GotM because it was GotM and anything goes in that book.

I thought Lanas Tog merely said that the Assail tyrant(s) were human...whereas I think what you're referencing is what Kruppe said to Silverfox about how the T'lan Imass didn't feel the need to continue their undead existance as (a) there are tyrants from other cultures now, so their all-out war vs the jaghut is farcical; and ( any jaghut tyrant that arises now will be taken down by the many ascendants or mornath munitions or a high mage or whatever, they are not needed in this capacity any more.

[Jude]

ahh. that's probably what I was thinking of yes.. but still. they're on assail! so kruppe had it backwards methinks!

[Osric]

D'rek, on Nov 6 2008, 04:42 AM, said:

The Barghast were indeed Imass who didn't make it to the Ritual, but following that they actually lived almost entirely on boats, and they had Toblakai among them, so over time they no doubt all gained some amount of Toblakai blood via a bit of crossbreeding.

Ah right, thanks for that. Well it makes sense that over the past half a million years there's been cross breeding and the like, different species dont seem to have a problem with each other like that anyway.. Wiskeyjack and korlat, hetan and.. erm, a lot of people.. Certain monkey gods.

Still my point was that this being obvious, the jagh blood in icarium is not a reason to kill him for the imass. And then they probably do care about tyrants (which Icarium isnt as mentioned before obv) but they're not very erm, consistant. But then that's like blaming batman for not arresting every criminal in gotham city.
Wait I dunno if that analogy is good here. Oh well, here's a star wars smilie.

[redJAKO]

Jude, on Nov 4 2008, 01:43 AM, said:

<br />Yeah you have to remember that the T'lan Imass aren't out there to stop dangerous things from existing. They're there to stop Tyranny from existing. That said, it would probably make more sense for them to have gone after someone like bidithal than Icarium. And I guess from the half Jaghut perspective, the only thing I've got here is that.. he's only half Jaghut?<br /><br />P.S. *eyes narrow* verrrrryyyy clever, D'rek<br />

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This, I thought of myself, except that the T'lan Imass hunted down even the "peaceful" or "secluded" Jaghut, even those Jaghut who assisted with putting down other tyrants (no ref at the moment), so the T'lan Imass seem pretty indiscriminate.

Who knows, but, I can't recall T'lan Imass even crossing paths with Iccarium thus far

[D'rek]

They were both involved at Laederon, as were the FA. The nature of said meeting not entirely certain, though.

[Excellence]

The Imass and Assail had a terrible confrontation in the plateu the Karsa and cronies met. A valley of bones, literally. The Assailt lost, but it cost thousands of Imass, didn't it? And wasn't there something about Icarium being on the way so they . . . left?

[Wry]

Perhaps it is more to do with Omptose Phellack.

We know the T'lan have penetrated OP and know when it is being used, that's how they find all the lone Jhagut. However we have never seen any indication Iccarium uses OP, at least not nowadays, so maybe he's just off their radar now.

[Excellence]

His magic is passive. After enough hits by Quick Ben, he was able to take it and ... give it back, sort of.

[Lisheo]

His magic also flung people metres away without warning, quite probably killing them. Its only passive in the sense that it took time for it to overcome QB's spent defences.