[Jude]

Yeah if QB wasn't such a man, Icarium's magic would have ripped his flesh off in strips and tossed him into a ledge of stone like it did to everyone else. However, I guess it was passive in the sense that Iccy wasn't really channeling it at all nor did he seem to have any control over it (not that he seemed to have much control over anything at the time). It just kind of existed around him and beat the fuck out of everyone who got close. Everyone, that is, except for Quick and Trull, the two manliest dudes who have ever been men.

[redJAKO]

 Jude, on Nov 11 2008, 12:22 AM, said:

Yeah if QB wasn't such a man, Icarium's magic would have ripped his flesh off in strips and tossed him into a ledge of stone like it did to everyone else. However, I guess it was passive in the sense that Iccy wasn't really channeling it at all nor did he seem to have any control over it (not that he seemed to have much control over anything at the time). It just kind of existed around him and beat the fuck out of everyone who got close. Everyone, that is, except for Quick and Trull, the two manliest dudes who have ever been men.

Haha.


Icarium vs Tool and the upper echelon of the Seghuleh (spell?), would make Kallor's sacrifice look...paltry? same? more? Sounded like more. Still want to see Icarium go nuts sometime...he was a bit anti climactic in Deadhouse Gates.

[Aptorian]

 redJAKO, on Nov 15 2008, 07:02 AM, said:

 Jude, on Nov 11 2008, 12:22 AM, said:

Yeah if QB wasn't such a man, Icarium's magic would have ripped his flesh off in strips and tossed him into a ledge of stone like it did to everyone else. However, I guess it was passive in the sense that Iccy wasn't really channeling it at all nor did he seem to have any control over it (not that he seemed to have much control over anything at the time). It just kind of existed around him and beat the fuck out of everyone who got close. Everyone, that is, except for Quick and Trull, the two manliest dudes who have ever been men.

Haha.

Icarium vs Tool and the upper echelon of the Seghuleh (spell?), would make Kallor's sacrifice look...paltry? same? more? Sounded like more. Still want to see Icarium go nuts sometime...he was a bit anti climactic in Deadhouse Gates.

I'm sorry, but what exactly are you getting at here? Tool vs Iccy vs The First? Kallors sacrifice? I'm not quite getting your meaning.

Are you a spambot?

[Jude]

hahaha I had alot of trouble with that post too, redJAKO. And to further back up Apt, have you finished tbh yet? you might find that it has a bit more of a climax for iccy than DG did.

[redJAKO]

"Icarium vs Tool and the upper echelon of the Seghuleh (spell?), would make Kallor's sacrifice look...paltry? same? more? Sounded like more. Still want to see Icarium go nuts sometime...he was a bit anti climactic in Deadhouse Gates. "


Hahahha, I don't proof my posts in the slightest.

In a hypothetical fight with Icarium fighting tool, and a first / second or even the third of the Seghuleh, would we see an entire continent burnt too dust, millions dead (Ala Kallor), or even more?

Just bullshattin.

[redJAKO]

 Jude, on Nov 17 2008, 07:41 PM, said:

hahaha I had alot of trouble with that post too, redJAKO. And to further back up Apt, have you finished tbh yet? you might find that it has a bit more of a climax for iccy than DG did.

How come I have to edit out these <br> which are evident in my quoting replies? Something with the options?


And: I'm through TtH, in tBH Iccy was definitely enjoyable...one of the more tragic characters in my mind.

Karsa knocking out Iccy, then getting clubbed was one of the funnier parts in the series imo.

[Osric]

A revision of my opinion earlier about the tlann imass not killing jaghut offspring like the jagh, this quote says that they did indeed hunt the jagh.

Quote

‘It is less important. On the Jhag Odhan, the past lives still. Not just in my
fallen kin, the Jhag—the few that managed to escape the Logros T’lan Imass.
There are ancient beasts that walk the treeless lands beside the sheets of ice.
Beasts that have died out everywhere else, mostly on the spears of the T’lan
Imass. But there were no Imass in the Jhag Odhan. As you said, a refuge.’

As said by the jaghut kara finds in a part of Omtose Phellack. So why havent the tlann imass killed icarium? Probably cos they can't imo.

[dktorode]

They probably have tried.
And learned their lesson.
So now they just avoid him.

Not really the Imass way, i know, but i recon special circumstances like his rage killing many thousands of innocent lives is just not worth it.... or something.

This post has been edited by dktorode: 20 November 2008 - 03:17 PM

[Jude]

that brings up something new for me.

Did Icarium's influence on Karsa's people and the T'lan Imass gods have anything to do with what Os is saying do you think?

[Aptorian]

 Jude, on Nov 20 2008, 10:17 PM, said:

that brings up something new for me.

Did Icarium's influence on Karsa's people and the T'lan Imass gods have anything to do with what Os is saying do you think?

Could you explain that question?

[D'rek]

Who is this 'O' and why isn't his name less pronounceable...?

[Aptorian]

I'm guessing he's talking about Osrics quote above but I'm not sure what he's on about.

[Nandaki]

Hello all,

Been a long time reader as a guest at this forum. Picked the first book in this series a year back and have devoted all my reading time to it ever since. A forum such as this is really helpfull when getting into a series this large and detailed. All your opinions and explainations helped a lot in filling me in on the parts I didn't comprehend before.

OK, now to the subject at hand. A question has always been irritating me. It seems that the fact that the Nameless Ones are manipulating Icarium into wiping out civilizations, continents etc is common knowledge. So I get the fact the T'lan Imass might be scared or don't consider him as a tryant, but why hasn't anyone gone against the Nameless Ones? Or at least broken their hold on Icarium? Since they do have all the makings of being an "evil" cult.

Cheers.

[Aptorian]

It's not like the NO have a headquarters in every town you can seek them out in.

They're a secret society, so no one knows who is affiliated and what they're doing.

[Nandaki]

 Aptorian, on Dec 2 2008, 06:16 PM, said:

It's not like the NO have a headquarters in every town you can seek them out in.

They're a secret society, so no one knows who is affiliated and what they're doing.

Isn't it mentioned that throughout most of Icarium's life he has been accompanied by a guide/partner? Specifically chosen by the NO. Thereby they have to be in contact with him/her to give him/her instructions or such. I always thought that it there was a viable way to get information out them. I know this is a random gripe about a brilliant series but had to get it off my chest, and have someone explain it to me.

Thanks.

This post has been edited by Aptorian: 02 December 2008 - 01:19 PM

[dktorode]

 Nandaki, on Dec 2 2008, 02:28 PM, said:

Hello all,

Been a long time reader as a guest at this forum. Picked the first book in this series a year back and have devoted all my reading time to it ever since. A forum such as this is really helpfull when getting into a series this large and detailed. All your opinions and explainations helped a lot in filling me in on the parts I didn't comprehend before.

OK, now to the subject at hand. A question has always been irritating me. It seems that the fact that the Nameless Ones are manipulating Icarium into wiping out civilizations, continents etc is common knowledge. So I get the fact the T'lan Imass might be scared or don't consider him as a tryant, but why hasn't anyone gone against the Nameless Ones? Or at least broken their hold on Icarium? Since they do have all the makings of being an "evil" cult.

Cheers.

As apt so "nicely" put it , they are a secret society, we dont know much about them.
And as far as why no one has stopped them or gone against them has not been revealed to us.
So we all just have to wait and see if Mr Erikson will go more into what they are doing or even just give us more info on them.
Unless they are just a plot device. Hope not

[dktorode]

 Nandaki, on Dec 2 2008, 03:05 PM, said:

 Aptorian, on Dec 2 2008, 06:16 PM, said:

It's not like the NO have a headquarters in every town you can seek them out in.

They're a secret society, so no one knows who is affiliated and what they're doing.

Isn't it mentioned that throughout most of Icarium's life he has been accompanied by a guide/partner? Specifically chosen by the NO. Thereby they have to be in contact with him/her to give him/her instructions or such. I always thought that it there was a viable way to get information out them. I know this is a random gripe about a brilliant series but had to get it off my chest, and have someone explain it to me.

Thanks.

The most we do know is that as far as Mappo is concerned, he was deceived by the NO into believing that Icarium wiped out his tribe/villiage/watever, so he did the NO's bidding initially because of this. We dont know if all of this companions through out time were also deceived and obviously lacking any reliable info with regards to the NO. I cant remember ever reading what Icariums new partner's (forgot his name) reasons are for doing there bidding. Maybe someone with better malaz Wiki fu can explain it better.
As far as the guide/partner keeping in touch with the NO....Well i would say Icariums memory problems would help with them getting away with that.

[Traveller]

Technically, didn't Mappo go against the Nameless Ones? What was the reason for having him forcibly replaced by Veed? I think Veed was convinced by the NO that he was the last of his tribe, or something, making him a good choice for a suicide mission.

Also, Spite left their society, and she must have a good bit of info on who they are/how they operate.

This post has been edited by Traveller: 02 December 2008 - 01:52 PM

[dktorode]

 Traveller, on Dec 2 2008, 03:50 PM, said:

Technically, didn't Mappo go against the Nameless Ones? What was the reason for having him forcibly replaced by Veed? I think Veed was convinced by the NO that he was the last of his tribe, or something, making him a good choice for a suicide mission.

Also, Spite left their society, and she must have a good bit of info on who they are/how they operate.

Mappo did go against what the nameless ones wanted in the end, because through the ages he grew fond of Icarium.
And subsequently when he was told he had to "feed" icarium to the Azath In jacuruku (?) he ended up not being able to do it, in fact he stopped iccy from letting himself be taken by the azath.

I think this also happened before he even found out that it was a lie that Iccy killed his tribe.

Yea and spite being an ex NO is rather interesting.

This post has been edited by dktorode: 02 December 2008 - 01:59 PM

[heboric]

abut icariums magic, it dont look like he is usig it on purpose its more like its his rage in "physcal" form. the only time he uses magic "on purpose" is when he starts his time thingy in lether (btw do you think i actuly died there? (Quote:(more or less) "but where he had been there was nothing left but a pile of ash since the marcine was in truth (or sumthing) broken")