[Mentalist]

only because dkt had to go and vig me when I was a healer who could kill by addiction...
Instead of vigging q21, whom I TOLD him to vig, b/c it was so freaking obvious that CI was symping q21...

[Mentalist]

ROFl @ dkt.... wow, what dedication... we haven't seen drunk phone dkt in quite a while...

[Grief]

Yeah, but Maccys epic rant...man.
When I saw that, I couldnt believe it.

Apparently we lost the game. Im sure I saw it in another thread somewhere though.

[Mentalist]

yes
it's in the Mafiaholics forum, I believe
originally it was from game 17.

(seriously, that one is legendary)
dkt usually doesn't do rants. he just types random stuff while drunk. and since he uses predictive text, it often comes out wrong, which enrages him.
ofc, since next weekend's Halloween and i plan to be well and truly trashed, we may get some drunken post goodness out of me in the Heroes game..

This post has been edited by Mentalist: 25 October 2008 - 12:05 AM

[Mentalist]

latest vote count was courtesy of me
dkt is priceless when drunk on phone
he really should drop this right now, leaving Silencer all by his lonesome untill JA comes back.. lol

[Yellow]

I can't believe this game is still going! Just as they get close to a lynch, two of them bottle out and vote for someone completely different.

YAWN.

Man of the match is definitely Obdi. JA is running the game, but Obdi isn't letting him brow-beat him. Going up against JA is pure pain.

He. Never. Stops. Posting.

JA's best tactic is that he answers every single point you bring up against him, and this gets the sheep, because they will not listen to reason - they only listen to quotes. So, well played Obdi, for still being alive.

JA would get man of the match, but it would hurt to give it to him. Again.

Oh, and who brought in the rule that you can't vote for yourself? That's a shit rule.

[Morgoth]

I disagree about Obdi deserving man of the match. His play until the very end was really unproductive. Just because he picked himself up now doesn't change that. I personally think JA deserves it, even if he does not see that I was the second symp. He played clean and comfortably while all the heat was based around DiBs and I, and when we were gone he stepped out and took charge like it was the most natural thing in the world.. He still deserves a slap to the back of the head for not seeing that I was the other symp though

When it comes to the rule questions I've seen posted regarding night and voting for oneself, I have this to add.

The rules used now are the ones I used last game, and are the same we used from game 1 and upwards, and also the ones used at westeros. I would say that these rules are by far the most worked through and balanced. There have been times these have not been used, basically when the mods have copied Macros' rules instead but the majority of games have gone with the westeros rules.

I don't think voting for oneself should be an option, but that can naturally be added if people disagree.

When it comes to the night question, the rules we've usually played with and which I thought were used in every game are simply half for night, majority for lynch. So, if there's 8 players you need 4 to go to night and five to lynch. If there's 9 players, you need 5 to go to night and 5 to lynch.

[Yellow]

Well let's have a poll about it or something. Keeping a rule just because they have it on Westeros is ridiculous. I've voted for myself before, and it actually helped the innos to a win, so it's not a rule we've used since game one.

[Morgoth]

Yellow, on Oct 25 2008, 02:01 PM, said:

Well let's have a poll about it or something. Keeping a rule just because they have it on Westeros is ridiculous. I've voted for myself before, and it actually helped the innos to a win, so it's not a rule we've used since game one.

For one I never said we should keep it just because they use it on westeros. You're not very proficient at reading my posts are you .. I'd like to keep it myself but a vote is better if people feel differently. And we have used it, and did use it for quite a while. There were several votes that were stopped as a result of this rule.

Still, I understand the argument that we should be allowed to vote even for ourselves. I don't think we should but I would not be bothered if it was allowed.

[Yellow]

Poll it then.

[J_Slr]

A suggestion with regards to self lynching. Allow except in obvious cases where it makes no sense! Like allowing a jester to self lynch would be idiotic!

Why does JA have a problem with the remove vote rule? That makes sense to me and has been around for ages hasn't it?

[Gem Windcaster]

Isn't it up to the game mod what rules apply? We definitely don't need a unified rulebook. I won't for instance change rules mid game or try to 'spice up the game' either - should we have a poll for that too? No, just leave it to the game mod.

This post has been edited by Gem Windcaster: 25 October 2008 - 02:48 PM

[Grief]

J_Slr, on Oct 25 2008, 03:13 PM, said:

A suggestion with regards to self lynching. Allow except in obvious cases where it makes no sense! Like allowing a jester to self lynch would be idiotic!

Why does JA have a problem with the remove vote rule? That makes sense to me and has been around for ages hasn't it?

Actually, if everyone else gets the jester to L-1, hed probably be lynched anyway, and if no one noticed it by L-1, then well played to the jester.
Except maybe on day 1.

[Vengeance]

I think that you should only not be allowed to vote for your self if there is a jester in the game....Other wise it can be a good tactic to either get a train off of you or to help save your team by taking the sacrifice...

[Gavin]

I have no problems with the self vote, i've done it a couple times and I think its a valid tactic. Especially when its beneficial for the team to get you out of the way, see your CF result and then it clears or incriminates others.

[Yellow]

I agree with that.

@Gem, the only problem I see with letting the mods decide is that there are a few players who mod a lot of games... so if the majority disagree with that ruling, they may still be forced to play by it because the minority who have the power have decided it to be so.

Of course, everyone gets the chance to mod, but some don't have the time to mod as much as others.

[J_Slr]

Gem Windcaster, on Oct 25 2008, 04:48 PM, said:

Isn't it up to the game mod what rules apply? We definitely don't need a unified rulebook. I won't for instance change rules mid game or try to 'spice up the game' either - should we have a poll for that too? No, just leave it to the game mod.

I bow down once again the superiority of our Queen
She is right, it should be up to the mods and rules should not be changed mid game.

[Gem Windcaster]

Yellow, it's fair that the people that actually put thought and time into the game they run that they should decide... That's all.

If people don't want to play, then fine, play when another mod is running the game.

Listen, if I thought for one second that people really wanted the rule, that people shoudn't vote for themselves, then it wouldn't matter, but I think people enjoy the rule that you can vote for yourself. It should be up to the player, not some rule. As long as it doesn't damage the game, and everyone is having fun, then I don't see a problem with it either.

This post has been edited by Gem Windcaster: 25 October 2008 - 05:35 PM

[Yellow]

@J... No one's talking about changing rules mid game. We're talking about the rule in general.

This post has been edited by Yellow: 25 October 2008 - 05:35 PM

[Morgoth]

I kinda agree with Gem in this regard, and I never intended to say the rules I used should be a binding set of rules to be used by all. The rules are always up to the mods. They take the time to mod, they organize and balance the game and they run it. They should be allowed to define the rules as they wish and then the players can chose whether they'd like to play or not.

Still, it would be good to have a standard set of rules to use as a template if one wishes. It would be the easiest thing in the world then to change the rules you'd like to change for your game and just inform how your game differs from the template. That would be easier I think, than to draw up the whole set of rules every time. Also, it would reduce the amount of arguing about the core rules by a large amount I figure. So, for the rule template we can decide whether we'd like to keep or remove the non-vote rule.