[drinksinbars]

Tapper, on Oct 20 2008, 08:27 AM, said:

Nice case there Gavin.

Gem definately does what she can to aid in building up pressure with few reasons. I've been disregarding that so far because it suited me (seeing how I was pro-lynch anyone on day 1 and she voted on the same person as me in the weekend) but it's good to see it written out.
I'd jump over to Gem if it wasn't the feeling I have that Lacedaemonian will become as uncommunicative and one-linery as he was day 1 again when the pressure is lowered, but I'd be willing to vote for her when the case has a chance of seeing her lynched.

As for Yellow's post: I agree that Lace's posts on this page are more productive than anything he produced before. It was about time, too, in my humble opinion: we're on day 2 now.

@ JA about Lace being an unexperienced killer: unless he is out there on his own (in which case he has my sympathy), he still has a partner who may be less afraid of lynching a possible symp. It was DiBs who attacked Morgoth (who else? )

just back - weekend break thank god as my access is reduiced to a phone that in armagh gets about as much coverage as jodi marshes boobies.

I am leaving my vote where it is. Reasoning, i think morgoth, the dude and tapper are our killers and gem is their symp. I havent read anything that changes my thought on this in fact my suspicion is just growing as the game goes on. The essence of gavins case on gem is that she seems to be symping tapper and voting just after him. well on day 1 i felt that tapper was following morgo quite closely who was sending signals to the dude (cigar smoke signals).

i havent had the chance to read through the whole thread again, so this defense morgo posted, i havent found it, can someone direct me to it? Also i did notice morgo painting me now as a symp because i didnt respond to his defence, well i havent actually been on boyo so havent read it! And who am i symping?

As for the case on lace, well i dont normally play straight laced either so i dont see that as a good reason to cote soemone off. Also tapper saying he was incommunicative and posted one liners could be used on a lot of players in most games so its not enough to warrant a lynch unless there are never any posts of substance and lace is at least driving some discussion though the personal insults for no reason have me a little apprehensive. I do agree that his lynch would shed light on some things though, consider the similarites between his train and alts. So i would vote him off as if he is inno it gives us more information than simply going for a low poster etc.

As for my case on morgo and co, it hasnt changed much, but the reasons are backed up by other things, why would you pm pathshaper saying you knew you would be labelled symp from a post, if that is true why did you post that in the first place? Also you tried to buddy up to me, dk, and ja in one of your first posts, and changed tact while under pressure. I said when i voted this morning i wanted to see what sort of train jumped up against your own and lo we have another voter for you with a long train building and gem and tapper on board early. veng seems lsingle midned and i think i know him well enough that its due to the style of laces posting that has done it.

the dude has also taken your tact morgo and is sayign he doesnt think ia m the killer, but then he would know as i am not on his team, but its the similar tactics being used by you two that have me nervous.

gotta go for a while, muse and comment please.

[dktorode]

oh shit...15 pages to read through....

[Tapper]

Well DiBs, Gem symping me would be very, very obvious seeing exactly how close we're together in posting and in the votes we made, often one post after the other. That wouldn't have been necessary, especially not during the weekend break.

Either she's an evil symp and she's wanting me lynched through obvious symping (since I was mostly first in expressing sentiments), in which case I'm almost certainly inno by default, or she is a symp and I'm a killer, in which case the symping is obvious to the extreme, especially in the weekend, or I'm a symp with mind-reading capabilities and I know exactly what Gem is going to post before she's going to post something along the same lines, to cover up for her. I'm also wondering where exactly I would have shown I'm symping her in the first place, then

Or, lastly, she's a killer and I'm inno or I'm a killer and she's inno or we're both inno's and there is nothing but coincidence to it all.

Me and Morgoth: hmm, not that I noticed. Where we crossed in conversation was mostly on non-mafia stuff. Of course, admitting you're drinking alcohol at the same time could be signing from master to symp The Dude hasn't been on my radar so far. The way in which you're trying to group us all into a grand conspiracy is making me slightly suspicious of you, however. Almost as if you are looking to string us up one after the other while happily killing your way through the rest of us. At the same time, I can only say that I'm inno, and can't speak for the other three, they might well be connected, so they'll have to do their own defending.

As for Lacedaemonian: couple 'uncommunicative' with 'insults' and I personally arrive at 'counterproductive' even when they're not aimed at me. There's fairly little that is less motivating to come to a teameffort as insultin one another.

[drinksinbars]

like i said tapper - thats just the impression i have. I have said so since early on and i am sticking with my beliefs. Of course things can change and i am hoping people actually comment on it. but we have a lot of info already with two trains and a night kill, so lynching someone for insulting people and being uncommunicative is to me, a poor excuse as it is laces first game and that may be how they play. Atthe end of the day i am not going to vote off someone unless i think its for the good of the town, if other people follow a different reasoning than that, i find THAT scummy. because at the end of the day our lynching shouldnt be used to weed out who we dont like personally but who we find to be a killer or at least suspect so.

the argument that gem seems to be a bad symp isnt a good reason NOT to vote her. Surely you should be voting for the player who is making you look most like a killer instead of someone who you find to be insulting to other players. If laces behaviour is insulting to people, they should complaint othe mods and have them issue a warning and if it continues to modkill him.

[Jump Around]

Gavin, on Oct 20 2008, 10:27 AM, said:

Which BTW what do you think on Gem?

Well, the case on Gem is surprisingly similar to the case on Alt146 on day 1 and it turned out false. However, this is still a valid case since killer sometimes do play like this (that's why I vote Alt in the first place). So I guess I'm OK with it, if a vote is needed for a lynch I'll supply it.

Also, if it turns out that she did kill J_slr, then lynching her would be a most awesome calling of bluff, that will send a message for many games to come

This post has been edited by Jump Around: 20 October 2008 - 08:36 AM

[Silencer]

*Back, with a slightly more disco-like avatar...it's the right era, at least*

[Jump Around]

DiscoWeasel looks excellent in the new Darkness Falls skin, it looks like my Afro is glowing from all the awesomeness

[Tapper]

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 10:33 AM, said:

like i said tapper - thats just the impression i have. I have said so since early on and i am sticking with my beliefs. Of course things can change and i am hoping people actually comment on it. but we have a lot of info already with two trains and a night kill, so lynching someone for insulting people and being uncommunicative is to me, a poor excuse as it is laces first game and that may be how they play. Atthe end of the day i am not going to vote off someone unless i think its for the good of the town, if other people follow a different reasoning than that, i find THAT scummy. because at the end of the day our lynching shouldnt be used to weed out who we dont like personally but who we find to be a killer or at least suspect so.

the argument that gem seems to be a bad symp isnt a good reason NOT to vote her. Surely you should be voting for the player who is making you look most like a killer instead of someone who you find to be insulting to other players. If laces behaviour is insulting to people, they should complaint othe mods and have them issue a warning and if it continues to modkill him.

Already declared I'm willing to vote for Gem

Also, when I voted for Lacedaemonian, I sent smth about my motives to spoiler heaven, and it included a mention of how Lace should experience more of Mafia on his first game than just day 1 & 2: on my own first game I learned a lot from the later days and it showed me where to look and what to do for later games. That doesn't mean that I will keep him alive coute a coute, despite my vote; as said, I found his gameplay (somewhat) counterproductive and I hope he'll tune the scornful approach down in future games.
Also, please note that my vote came during a weekend break; it isn't as if he was that close to lynch or as if I was setting him up as today's deceased with 5 minutes left on the clock. There was still 20 hours to go in the day and lots of people who had to come online.

As for voting for Gem earlier on, instead of Lace: as I said before, I'm comfortable using her agreeing with me/ fake-symping me up until it becomes a hindrance for me (which is right about now, possibly), and I don't mind being slightly scummy myself in outlook. Suspicion keeps a guy honest, neh? Those who smell 100% like roses without being CI and they're likely to be scum rather than angels, or dead, come a morning.

EDIT: lots of stuff added in the above post, starting with the second paragraph.
EDIT 2: added the EDIT 1

This post has been edited by Tapper: 20 October 2008 - 09:06 AM

[drinksinbars]

Tapper, on Oct 20 2008, 09:46 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 10:33 AM, said:

like i said tapper - thats just the impression i have. I have said so since early on and i am sticking with my beliefs. Of course things can change and i am hoping people actually comment on it. but we have a lot of info already with two trains and a night kill, so lynching someone for insulting people and being uncommunicative is to me, a poor excuse as it is laces first game and that may be how they play. Atthe end of the day i am not going to vote off someone unless i think its for the good of the town, if other people follow a different reasoning than that, i find THAT scummy. because at the end of the day our lynching shouldnt be used to weed out who we dont like personally but who we find to be a killer or at least suspect so.

the argument that gem seems to be a bad symp isnt a good reason NOT to vote her. Surely you should be voting for the player who is making you look most like a killer instead of someone who you find to be insulting to other players. If laces behaviour is insulting to people, they should complaint othe mods and have them issue a warning and if it continues to modkill him.

Already declared I'm willing to vote for Gem

ok am really busy in work so not able to look back over everything until it slackens (keep refreshing current though) so if no one wants the morgo case, i guess i would be willing to vote gem. Lace i will leave to the mods discretion, but if people have a grievance (veng or morgo from what i recall) they should ask the mods to step in and issue a warning, followed by a modkill if personal insults continue.

[dktorode]

Vengeance, on Oct 17 2008, 10:02 PM, said:

No I was the FM in the last game.

It doesn't have to be someone who voted for Morgy it could be anyone who was putting pressure on him. What got me suspicious was the fact that he waited till after the lynch to remove his vote. Then Dibs got confused about who lace was voting for.

Hmmm...venge. You also removed your vote after the lynch, it seemed to me a feeble attempt at pretending you didnt actually want to lynch alt146, but "oops i think its too late what a pity"

What i also noticed is that you seemed to say that you dont agree with lynching alt, yet you still placed your vote, i think you knew full well that alt was innocent, and you were laying the groundwork to say later on "i told you he was inno" in order to soften the blow later on. I think dibs spotted this and asked you why you were still voting for alt if you felt this way, then you removed your vote, but it was too late. Conveniently too late if you ask me.
Classic killer moves

[dktorode]

Jump Around, on Oct 18 2008, 02:47 PM, said:

OK, a quick re-read.

DiscoWeasel AfroJumpy the 3rd does NOT approve of the following posts:

Vengeance, on Oct 17 2008, 08:49 PM, said:

Ok so you guys want to lynch Alt....I don't really think that he has done anything lynch worthy but god knows that I have lynched people for less on day one.

If we have the people then I will vote for him.

Vengeance, on Oct 17 2008, 08:58 PM, said:

Although I seriously doubt that Alt is Scum....After all nobody at all has defended him.

So all that this lynch will give us is a train to look at. Since it is going to be a speed train here at the end. Those of you who have pushed this along are going to be under a lot of suspicion. I am not changing my vote just pointing out what tomorrow will bring.

All this before the CF on alt146

Post 1: "Hmmm, looks like we got a train on an inno. Let's get him lynched and insist it's not my fault"

Post 2: "OK, the inno is almost lynched. Let's prepare the ammo for tomorrow's accusations"

I mean, Vengeance votes for someone never seems to even considered could be guilty, and only one type of player knows who's who on day 1...

Ironically, I won't vote for him yet because a) I spent already day 1 pressuring him and people will wonder if I don't have some repressed crush on the 'Kat ( It's still a strange coincidence that the two behaviors that raised my arm hair so far came from the same player, though).

Also, b ) is slightly meta, I'm wondering if Venge was a killer he would be such a bad one...

Anyways, there's another good point that was raised, ironically by the same 'Kat:

I'm not sure what was with that constant (and sometimes personal) harassment of Morgy by Lace. I don't know if it's symp activity, like suggested, or something else that I don't see, but I'll have to re-read all that.

Seems JA is thinking the same thing i am....hmmmm

[Lisheo]

Well, a lot of chat but we don't seem to be getting anywhere. I don't agree with the case on Gem and J_Slr, it's just too obvious! However if my vote is needed for a lynch, you've got it. Any kind of CF would be helpful at this point.

[Tapper]

Lisheo, on Oct 20 2008, 11:08 AM, said:

Well, a lot of chat but we don't seem to be getting anywhere. I don't agree with the case on Gem and J_Slr, it's just too obvious! However if my vote is needed for a lynch, you've got it. Any kind of CF would be helpful at this point.

Hehe, your experience seems contrary to mine... we're getting somewhere finally. Maybe you're not finished reading though, but I'd say that the lines are getting drawn now

[Lisheo]

And as for Vengeance, well, he didn't strike me as a killer either, but there is something odd in his behaviour, and DK and JA have come up with some interesting posts and for that reason:
Remove vote
Vote Vengeance

[Path-Shaper]

It is day two. There are 16 hours, 45 minutes remaining.

16 dancers still getting down: Baudin,Dktorode, DrinksinBars, Gavin, Gem, Jump Around, Lacedaemonian, Lisheo, Mocker, Morgoth, Obdigore Silencer, Tapper, The Dude,Vengeance, Yellow,

9 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

2 Votes Morgoth: DiBs, Lacedaemonian
3 Votes Lacedaemonian: Vengeance, Tapper, Gem Windcaster
2 Votes Gem: Silencer, Yellow
2 votes Vengeance: Jump Around, Lisheo

Players yet to vote: Baudin,Dktorode, Gavin, Mocker, Morgoth, Obdigore, The Dude

[drinksinbars]

Lisheo, on Oct 20 2008, 10:10 AM, said:

And as for Vengeance, well, he didn't strike me as a killer either, but there is something odd in his behaviour, and DK and JA have come up with some interesting posts and for that reason:
Remove vote
Vote Vengeance

i think you have more votes posted that some people have posts!!! :Surprise:

[Lisheo]

At this point, quite probably lmao Everyone seems to be a bit suspicious in some way tho! Lace's votes for Morgy, Gem with relation to J_Slr, Silencer coming out of nowhere to vote Tapper, Vengeance being that little bit dodgy with the content of his posts...!

[Jump Around]

dktorode, on Oct 20 2008, 12:08 PM, said:

Seems JA is thinking the same thing i am....hmmmm

Is there relief, or dismay in that statement?

[drinksinbars]

Vengeance, on Oct 17 2008, 09:05 PM, said:

Lacedaemonian, on Oct 17 2008, 03:01 PM, said:

Venge is defo marking himself - he will have to do a lot to prove otherwise for me. I made a handful of posts from about 4pm. Apparently I posted all day? I followed no voting patterns and had no intention to vote.

Yet you still voted. If Morgy had been lynched and you had left your vote on all day I would be looking at you. You did have several opportunities to remove your so called joke vote but you didn't.

you removed your vote on alt after the lynch, i dont get why this is suspicious, as i dont suspect you for it veng, why is it so strange? Its bloody pointless, but its not scummy in my eyes, instead of removing association it strengthens it.

Lisheo, on Oct 18 2008, 12:59 PM, said:

J_Slr, on Oct 17 2008, 07:46 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 17 2008, 08:25 PM, said:

Yellow, on Oct 17 2008, 07:18 PM, said:

J_Slr, on Oct 17 2008, 07:11 PM, said:

Well If I die at least you guys will know where to look....

Lol, how many games ago was it that Ruse got lynched for saying this exact thing?

WIFOM, WIFOM, everywhere, and not a drop to drink!

i think that i led that charge and it was against bent

though in this case i think tis cause i said gem would kill him for callin her fat

of course we can ignore that cause i said it in such small wroiting and if he doesnt die, bam lynch tomorrow as scum. If alt is inno, he was the first to vote for him too!! Damnit angry yellow your good at this game

First off I stick my origional reason for the vote, he was too lynch happy, and secondly! I voted second...

Its just a shot in the dark but what if Alt was a symp and one of the killers voted off one of the people gunning for him as revenge, once they thought we wouldn't be able to work out who they were?

lisheo you mention symps more than any other player in the game. In fact i think out of your 100 odd posts you probably talk about symps in 80 of them and vote in the rest.

Tapper, on Oct 18 2008, 05:09 PM, said:

Oh, and it wasn't Yellow, so this was the quote I meant.

To put on the pressure:

vote Lacedaemonian

it was yellow - this is just untrue. Yellow said about voting for lace because he plays an unconventional game, can you provide a quote that proves it was jslr as you implied with your vote.

Lisheo, on Oct 18 2008, 05:39 PM, said:

Alright, I agree with adding another vote, but I won't be responsible for another inno lynch, so if it looks like a train, Im removing it if we dont get some serious evidence. While I dont agree with it (the personal insults jar with me a bit), I like Lace's style of playing.

Vote Lace

Sorry mate!

Gem Windcaster, on Oct 18 2008, 06:11 PM, said:

vote Lace

For being annoying, and because he thinks he can't get lynched. You underestimate our viciousness, young padawan.


Edit: yes, he needs to answer our questions...

Lisheo, on Oct 18 2008, 06:35 PM, said:

@Grief: Damn. In that case
remove vote

gtg again. Back soon enough.

Lisheo, on Oct 18 2008, 06:49 PM, said:

Right, Im back ealier than expected. yes, Lace, I'm trying hard to sit on the fence tonight. Gavin and someone else made comments about being neutral, and they struck a chord with me. I still consider you suspicious, so...
Vote Lace (again) But don't hold it against me.

EDIT: change from em something else to fence lmao damn drunkenness.

here we have lisheo then gem, then lisheo removing and then almost immeadiately voting again. None of his posts show any form of reasoning but an awful lot of "dont mind me while i lynch you" comments towards lace.

Hav e to see i am only a wee bit through the weeknd but lisheo is looking terribly sympish, for th esimple fact that its the only role he ever talks about. On a side note he also says things like alt was a symp and his masters responded to his death by killing jslr, well if he is a symp they dont know who he is, unless grief has changed their remit for the game and lisheo is actually the master. Now this could just be a noob error, but i think if lisheo is our symp he has got things slightly muddled. If he is symping someone, he has proclaimed himself pro morgoth, and follows tapper quite readily.

I understand accusing another player of soemthing is likley to annoy some of you, but read lisheos posts and just marvel at how often he talks about or speculates on the symp role and how the masters plans relate to it.

I am still keeping my vote where it is, as i think morgo is the master.

Another point is that the switch from morgo to alt was pushed by lisheo and tapper. posts like if so and so switch right now we will get a lynch, and agressive pushing toward that fact.

comments?

@ja - thats a very uncomplicated game your playing.

[Tapper]

I gave my quote a few posts above that one, DiBs. It was less strong than I thought, and I commented on that. I'll dig it up from the bowels of this thread