[Tapper]

Tapper, on Oct 18 2008, 06:03 PM, said:

J_Slr, on Oct 18 2008, 08:06 AM, said:

I went back and had a look at Lace's posts and two things occurred to me.

1. Lace does not seem to be taking anything seriously. I.E. it would appear he is still just messing around

and 2. It was painful! He has been posting here as well as in other threads, so I kept seeing posts I could not remember

@Silencer: Your a mod. How hard would it be to create a search function that would allow us to search a specific thread for a specific person.

Maybe I am being dense, but so far I have only found the search thread (which only looks at what was actually posted in thread) and the "Find members posts" which is shows all posts for a member, which in Baudin's case is painful because he posts so much in "first word that comes to mind"

Back ON TOPIC:

Will be interested to see how Lace plays come day 2.

Edit: Grammar

And here's the quote, not as strong as I thought it was, so will search Yellow's posts as well.
Notice how it was late at night, so I might be off and the kill-action could very well have been submitted a looooong time before J_slr posted this, but it could connect.

Here''s the J_slr quote I meant, DiBs.

[dktorode]

Lacedaemonian, on Oct 20 2008, 02:15 AM, said:

The reasons people have given for voting are laughable at best and I find it hillarious that I am being asked to break down my reasons time and time again. The whim voters seem to be getting away with just some glib remark ie he abused my wife, or seems a little unhinged, or I do not understand him.....

We can not ignore the fact that Tapper and Gem voted in tandem against Alt (an innocent) and then against me. It may well just be coincidence but this is still more weighty evidence than anything else available.

So you ask.... why is that new geezer Lace still voting Morg???

Let's go back to day one: Alt and Me vote Morg along with two other people. There was an outside chance she would be lynched. I give you my word I would have removed my vote before night - because at this point in time it was just a throw away vote. Plenty of people were making similar throw away votes.

Suddenly Alt becomes a target for voters (not any of the other three voters). This felt wrong to me and after a re-read it looked like Tapper and Gem swung the vote against him - and created some momentum that 40 minutes later saw him lynched. He was not online - he said eh wouldnt be - so he was the softest target of the Morg voters.

Next day he turns up innocent.

The obvious thing to do is to investigate the lynch mob for possible suspects. But this did not happen. Instead the focus switched to me. Yes I was being a bit daft on the forums - but this was very clearly the case. There was nothing to suggest I was untoward.

So Alt's lynch mob tried to lynch the other Morgoth voter. Apparently I was scummy etc etc lies and more bollocks. Venge accused me of being scummy because I removed my vote after the event. He posted after my removal with his removal. Basically his hypothesis was a joke and hypocritcal.


The lynch mob is the same. The only thing that ties me to Alt and our shared fates is that we both voted Morgoth.

Morgoth needs to go simply to satisfy this line of enquiry. Whether it is before or after my lynching is by the by.

It would seem the tally of votes on yourself have finally bared fruit and forced you to actually PLAY...

[drinksinbars]

Tapper, on Oct 20 2008, 11:02 AM, said:

I gave my quote a few posts above that one, DiBs. It was less strong than I thought, and I commented on that. I'll dig it up from the bowels of this thread

the reason i dont swap votes to you tapper is because in a game like this its likely to see people being fake symped, i am suspicious of you, but the votes on morgo caused the reactions and if there wasnt something there, the rush to vote of alt instead wouldnt have been so strong or forced. I didnt see this defence he talked of either, so he can repost it or direct me to it.

If you can alleviate my suspicions then do so, but i didnt notice the posts you are mentioning.

[drinksinbars]

Tapper, on Oct 20 2008, 11:04 AM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 18 2008, 06:03 PM, said:

J_Slr, on Oct 18 2008, 08:06 AM, said:

I went back and had a look at Lace's posts and two things occurred to me.

1. Lace does not seem to be taking anything seriously. I.E. it would appear he is still just messing around

and 2. It was painful! He has been posting here as well as in other threads, so I kept seeing posts I could not remember

@Silencer: Your a mod. How hard would it be to create a search function that would allow us to search a specific thread for a specific person.

Maybe I am being dense, but so far I have only found the search thread (which only looks at what was actually posted in thread) and the "Find members posts" which is shows all posts for a member, which in Baudin's case is painful because he posts so much in "first word that comes to mind"

Back ON TOPIC:

Will be interested to see how Lace plays come day 2.

Edit: Grammar

And here's the quote, not as strong as I thought it was, so will search Yellow's posts as well.
Notice how it was late at night, so I might be off and the kill-action could very well have been submitted a looooong time before J_slr posted this, but it could connect.

Here''s the J_slr quote I meant, DiBs.

hmm, i did notice that but the wording of your vote post actually correlates with a post by yellow and you do mention him, will try to find it.

[Tapper]

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 12:06 PM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 20 2008, 11:02 AM, said:

I gave my quote a few posts above that one, DiBs. It was less strong than I thought, and I commented on that. I'll dig it up from the bowels of this thread

the reason i dont swap votes to you tapper is because in a game like this its likely to see people being fake symped, i am suspicious of you, but the votes on morgo caused the reactions and if there wasnt something there, the rush to vote of alt instead wouldnt have been so strong or forced. I didnt see this defence he talked of either, so he can repost it or direct me to it.

If you can alleviate my suspicions then do so, but i didnt notice the posts you are mentioning.

I just posted the J-slr quote I meant. I missed the Yellow quote, it seems.

EDIT: crosspost.

This post has been edited by Tapper: 20 October 2008 - 10:08 AM

[Morgoth]

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 09:52 AM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 20 2008, 08:27 AM, said:

Nice case there Gavin.

Gem definately does what she can to aid in building up pressure with few reasons. I've been disregarding that so far because it suited me (seeing how I was pro-lynch anyone on day 1 and she voted on the same person as me in the weekend) but it's good to see it written out.
I'd jump over to Gem if it wasn't the feeling I have that Lacedaemonian will become as uncommunicative and one-linery as he was day 1 again when the pressure is lowered, but I'd be willing to vote for her when the case has a chance of seeing her lynched.

As for Yellow's post: I agree that Lace's posts on this page are more productive than anything he produced before. It was about time, too, in my humble opinion: we're on day 2 now.

@ JA about Lace being an unexperienced killer: unless he is out there on his own (in which case he has my sympathy), he still has a partner who may be less afraid of lynching a possible symp. It was DiBs who attacked Morgoth (who else? )

just back - weekend break thank god as my access is reduiced to a phone that in armagh gets about as much coverage as jodi marshes boobies.

I am leaving my vote where it is. Reasoning, i think morgoth, the dude and tapper are our killers and gem is their symp. I havent read anything that changes my thought on this in fact my suspicion is just growing as the game goes on. The essence of gavins case on gem is that she seems to be symping tapper and voting just after him. well on day 1 i felt that tapper was following morgo quite closely who was sending signals to the dude (cigar smoke signals).

i havent had the chance to read through the whole thread again, so this defense morgo posted, i havent found it, can someone direct me to it? Also i did notice morgo painting me now as a symp because i didnt respond to his defence, well i havent actually been on boyo so havent read it! And who am i symping?

As for the case on lace, well i dont normally play straight laced either so i dont see that as a good reason to cote soemone off. Also tapper saying he was incommunicative and posted one liners could be used on a lot of players in most games so its not enough to warrant a lynch unless there are never any posts of substance and lace is at least driving some discussion though the personal insults for no reason have me a little apprehensive. I do agree that his lynch would shed light on some things though, consider the similarites between his train and alts. So i would vote him off as if he is inno it gives us more information than simply going for a low poster etc.

As for my case on morgo and co, it hasnt changed much, but the reasons are backed up by other things, why would you pm pathshaper saying you knew you would be labelled symp from a post, if that is true why did you post that in the first place? Also you tried to buddy up to me, dk, and ja in one of your first posts, and changed tact while under pressure. I said when i voted this morning i wanted to see what sort of train jumped up against your own and lo we have another voter for you with a long train building and gem and tapper on board early. veng seems lsingle midned and i think i know him well enough that its due to the style of laces posting that has done it.

the dude has also taken your tact morgo and is sayign he doesnt think ia m the killer, but then he would know as i am not on his team, but its the similar tactics being used by you two that have me nervous.

gotta go for a while, muse and comment please.

Huh. I never said you were a symp because you didn't respond. Where did you get that idea?

No, your case on me hasnt changed much. It is still a day one case with very little in the way of content which you've pushed mercylessly even though you should be as clueless as the rest of us. You're too certain DiBs. That's why I've said I consider you a symp. You don't even seem to take in other arguments regarding me or others, you just buldoze ahead with the Morgoth is guilty and seem to hope enough sheep will jump in to assist you.

And for fucks sake, are we still on the spoiler heaven comment? What is the big deal? It was a comment written in good faith and with little relation to the game tied into it, and I don't see how that can be the basis for an argument, or even an important factor.

I can't say I've changed tactic under pressure. How exactly do you mean? Do you mean that I started writing serious posts when the game turned serious? Is that your argument? You seem to have decided early that I am a killer and then grope for whatever argument you can find, no matter how weak, hoping that if you just say it enough times, people will start believeing it.

There's but one role in this game that can be certain of anything, and that is the symp. Not even the killers can go for whomever as they must be carefull not to hit their symp. The symp however knows whom his masters are, and thus can jump onto anyone without danger of targeting someone he should not target. That seems to me to be what DiBs is doing. The last two days have been focused a lot on me, and that is more or less solely the work of DiBs, and to a lesser extent, Yellow. The situation has been perfect for the killers, who have been able to, quite easily, to hide inside the discussion. Right now, DiBs seems to be the killers best friend. Mind you, this also applies to Lace to an extent, but not to the level it does DiBs.

DiBs

[drinksinbars]

Yellow, on Oct 18 2008, 06:31 PM, said:

People. A lot of you are voting for Lace because he is not playing by the kind of methods we normally see. This is fine - vote for you who want to, I'm just saying that you should not use your normal barometers with him.

Whether he wins or loses is of no importance to him. He's here for the ride.

I know this makes me sound sympish, which is fair enough, but I honestly don't think he's a killer (at this point in time, anyway), so I won't vote for him.

Morgoth has said little since yesterday, and everything he has said has done nothing to make him seem scummy in my eyes, so I won't be placing another vote on him atm.

But fuck me, Venge is really pinging my radar today.

Vengeance, on Oct 18 2008, 04:56 PM, said:

Lacedaemonian, on Oct 18 2008, 09:02 AM, said:

I am voting the same again to see what happens. I might change my vote as the day goes on. Depends on the reaction here. Still thinking about Veng.

YOu can think about me all you want but you might want to try to post a little bit more then a sentence. I will not be changing my vote ever....

Yeah, this is against Lace, which maybe doesn't help my argument (because I kind of defended him above), but the use of the word "ever" is a little bit choice, in my eyes. Venge is playing... antsy, and I don't like it. It's not how he usually plays. Why so dead set? Are you that certain? I'm certain of nothing at this stage in the game.

I'm off out. Remember we're in a break, so there's no need to speed lynch anyone Back in the morning (or, god forbid, later tonight... the aftershocks do wonders for my posting).

looking at the time stamp this post is after your vote!

Are you psychic?

[Morgoth]

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 12:06 PM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 20 2008, 11:02 AM, said:

I gave my quote a few posts above that one, DiBs. It was less strong than I thought, and I commented on that. I'll dig it up from the bowels of this thread

the reason i dont swap votes to you tapper is because in a game like this its likely to see people being fake symped, i am suspicious of you, but the votes on morgo caused the reactions and if there wasnt something there, the rush to vote of alt instead wouldnt have been so strong or forced. I didnt see this defence he talked of either, so he can repost it or direct me to it.

If you can alleviate my suspicions then do so, but i didnt notice the posts you are mentioning.

The reaction you talk about is basically people voting for Alt instead right? Did it ever occur to you that people turned because they found your case on me, and for that matter that of yellow, to be laughably weak? Is it maybe possible that people not voting for me did not in fact have sinister intentions but rather did not agree with you?

It doesn't seem to have crossed your mind

[drinksinbars]

Morgoth, on Oct 20 2008, 11:08 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 09:52 AM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 20 2008, 08:27 AM, said:

Nice case there Gavin.

Gem definately does what she can to aid in building up pressure with few reasons. I've been disregarding that so far because it suited me (seeing how I was pro-lynch anyone on day 1 and she voted on the same person as me in the weekend) but it's good to see it written out.
I'd jump over to Gem if it wasn't the feeling I have that Lacedaemonian will become as uncommunicative and one-linery as he was day 1 again when the pressure is lowered, but I'd be willing to vote for her when the case has a chance of seeing her lynched.

As for Yellow's post: I agree that Lace's posts on this page are more productive than anything he produced before. It was about time, too, in my humble opinion: we're on day 2 now.

@ JA about Lace being an unexperienced killer: unless he is out there on his own (in which case he has my sympathy), he still has a partner who may be less afraid of lynching a possible symp. It was DiBs who attacked Morgoth (who else? )

just back - weekend break thank god as my access is reduiced to a phone that in armagh gets about as much coverage as jodi marshes boobies.

I am leaving my vote where it is. Reasoning, i think morgoth, the dude and tapper are our killers and gem is their symp. I havent read anything that changes my thought on this in fact my suspicion is just growing as the game goes on. The essence of gavins case on gem is that she seems to be symping tapper and voting just after him. well on day 1 i felt that tapper was following morgo quite closely who was sending signals to the dude (cigar smoke signals).

i havent had the chance to read through the whole thread again, so this defense morgo posted, i havent found it, can someone direct me to it? Also i did notice morgo painting me now as a symp because i didnt respond to his defence, well i havent actually been on boyo so havent read it! And who am i symping?

As for the case on lace, well i dont normally play straight laced either so i dont see that as a good reason to cote soemone off. Also tapper saying he was incommunicative and posted one liners could be used on a lot of players in most games so its not enough to warrant a lynch unless there are never any posts of substance and lace is at least driving some discussion though the personal insults for no reason have me a little apprehensive. I do agree that his lynch would shed light on some things though, consider the similarites between his train and alts. So i would vote him off as if he is inno it gives us more information than simply going for a low poster etc.

As for my case on morgo and co, it hasnt changed much, but the reasons are backed up by other things, why would you pm pathshaper saying you knew you would be labelled symp from a post, if that is true why did you post that in the first place? Also you tried to buddy up to me, dk, and ja in one of your first posts, and changed tact while under pressure. I said when i voted this morning i wanted to see what sort of train jumped up against your own and lo we have another voter for you with a long train building and gem and tapper on board early. veng seems lsingle midned and i think i know him well enough that its due to the style of laces posting that has done it.

the dude has also taken your tact morgo and is sayign he doesnt think ia m the killer, but then he would know as i am not on his team, but its the similar tactics being used by you two that have me nervous.

gotta go for a while, muse and comment please.

Huh. I never said you were a symp because you didn't respond. Where did you get that idea?

No, your case on me hasnt changed much. It is still a day one case with very little in the way of content which you've pushed mercylessly even though you should be as clueless as the rest of us. You're too certain DiBs. That's why I've said I consider you a symp. You don't even seem to take in other arguments regarding me or others, you just buldoze ahead with the Morgoth is guilty and seem to hope enough sheep will jump in to assist you.

And for fucks sake, are we still on the spoiler heaven comment? What is the big deal? It was a comment written in good faith and with little relation to the game tied into it, and I don't see how that can be the basis for an argument, or even an important factor.

I can't say I've changed tactic under pressure. How exactly do you mean? Do you mean that I started writing serious posts when the game turned serious? Is that your argument? You seem to have decided early that I am a killer and then grope for whatever argument you can find, no matter how weak, hoping that if you just say it enough times, people will start believeing it.

There's but one role in this game that can be certain of anything, and that is the symp. Not even the killers can go for whomever as they must be carefull not to hit their symp. The symp however knows whom his masters are, and thus can jump onto anyone without danger of targeting someone he should not target. That seems to me to be what DiBs is doing. The last two days have been focused a lot on me, and that is more or less solely the work of DiBs, and to a lesser extent, Yellow. The situation has been perfect for the killers, who have been able to, quite easily, to hide inside the discussion. Right now, DiBs seems to be the killers best friend. Mind you, this also applies to Lace to an extent, but not to the level it does DiBs.

DiBs

OMGUS

You seem to be ignoring the facts mate. There were votes on you, first mine, then lace, then alt. Alt got lynched by a sudden train, i joined because i wanted to know why everyone suddenly jumped away from you as possible onto him and if he had been guilty i would have dropped the case on you as no way killers would sacrifice one for the other, when night was likely without a lynch.

day 2 starts and i examined th enight kill, looked at the voting and figured you were still my top suspect. I am looking at other players i have made cases on both tapper and lisheo and commented on veng, ja and gem. The fact is that when you hit two notes a few of the player swho came on day 1 to rescue you did so again today. Now either they have decided to use you as a patsy, which is possible, or they are protecting you because they are on your team. Being inno i dont know who is in my team and therefore when i see relationships developing i act upon them.

Its not short sighted, and i aint symping anyone, who else has been under pressure? I think lace should be modkilled, personally i disliked the comment toward veng (thus am clouded slightly by the voting of veng as i feel its justified) and i also dislike the abuse delivered to yourself. That will not stop me following against who i think is my top suspectm you.

If you dont think the trains running two days away from yourself after voting pressure is odd, then say so, but your argument that i am a symp for going after my main suspect is weak. I always go for my suspects, i am liek a mountie and you are my #1

[Jump Around]

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 12:59 PM, said:

@ja - thats a very uncomplicated game your playing.

Uh?

[drinksinbars]

Morgoth, on Oct 20 2008, 11:14 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 12:06 PM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 20 2008, 11:02 AM, said:

I gave my quote a few posts above that one, DiBs. It was less strong than I thought, and I commented on that. I'll dig it up from the bowels of this thread

the reason i dont swap votes to you tapper is because in a game like this its likely to see people being fake symped, i am suspicious of you, but the votes on morgo caused the reactions and if there wasnt something there, the rush to vote of alt instead wouldnt have been so strong or forced. I didnt see this defence he talked of either, so he can repost it or direct me to it.

If you can alleviate my suspicions then do so, but i didnt notice the posts you are mentioning.

The reaction you talk about is basically people voting for Alt instead right? Did it ever occur to you that people turned because they found your case on me, and for that matter that of yellow, to be laughably weak? Is it maybe possible that people not voting for me did not in fact have sinister intentions but rather did not agree with you?

It doesn't seem to have crossed your mind

of course it crossed my mind, which is why when i voted you this morning i wanted to see who did what and why i am making my suspicions on lisheo and tapper clear. You could be being used as a patsy, having lines drawn about you by other players so we butt heads. You have two votes, why are you so defensive? Its highly unlikely you will be lynched today, yet you are accusing me of being dangerously single minded when that is not the case.

[drinksinbars]

Jump Around, on Oct 20 2008, 11:20 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 12:59 PM, said:

@ja - thats a very uncomplicated game your playing.

Uh?

my main reason for not suspecting you jump abound is that you are making things seem like we are in momento or something ridiculously complicated. Something you seem remarkably incapable of stopping yourself doing when you are a killer/symp.

[Jump Around]

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 01:22 PM, said:

Jump Around, on Oct 20 2008, 11:20 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 12:59 PM, said:

@ja - thats a very uncomplicated game your playing.

Uh?

my main reason for not suspecting you jump abound is that you are making things seem like we are in momento or something ridiculously complicated. Something you seem remarkably incapable of stopping yourself doing when you are a killer/symp.

Oh.


Aahh.. thanks, I guess

[Morgoth]

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 12:18 PM, said:

Morgoth, on Oct 20 2008, 11:08 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 09:52 AM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 20 2008, 08:27 AM, said:

Nice case there Gavin.

Gem definately does what she can to aid in building up pressure with few reasons. I've been disregarding that so far because it suited me (seeing how I was pro-lynch anyone on day 1 and she voted on the same person as me in the weekend) but it's good to see it written out.
I'd jump over to Gem if it wasn't the feeling I have that Lacedaemonian will become as uncommunicative and one-linery as he was day 1 again when the pressure is lowered, but I'd be willing to vote for her when the case has a chance of seeing her lynched.

As for Yellow's post: I agree that Lace's posts on this page are more productive than anything he produced before. It was about time, too, in my humble opinion: we're on day 2 now.

@ JA about Lace being an unexperienced killer: unless he is out there on his own (in which case he has my sympathy), he still has a partner who may be less afraid of lynching a possible symp. It was DiBs who attacked Morgoth (who else? )

just back - weekend break thank god as my access is reduiced to a phone that in armagh gets about as much coverage as jodi marshes boobies.

I am leaving my vote where it is. Reasoning, i think morgoth, the dude and tapper are our killers and gem is their symp. I havent read anything that changes my thought on this in fact my suspicion is just growing as the game goes on. The essence of gavins case on gem is that she seems to be symping tapper and voting just after him. well on day 1 i felt that tapper was following morgo quite closely who was sending signals to the dude (cigar smoke signals).

i havent had the chance to read through the whole thread again, so this defense morgo posted, i havent found it, can someone direct me to it? Also i did notice morgo painting me now as a symp because i didnt respond to his defence, well i havent actually been on boyo so havent read it! And who am i symping?

As for the case on lace, well i dont normally play straight laced either so i dont see that as a good reason to cote soemone off. Also tapper saying he was incommunicative and posted one liners could be used on a lot of players in most games so its not enough to warrant a lynch unless there are never any posts of substance and lace is at least driving some discussion though the personal insults for no reason have me a little apprehensive. I do agree that his lynch would shed light on some things though, consider the similarites between his train and alts. So i would vote him off as if he is inno it gives us more information than simply going for a low poster etc.

As for my case on morgo and co, it hasnt changed much, but the reasons are backed up by other things, why would you pm pathshaper saying you knew you would be labelled symp from a post, if that is true why did you post that in the first place? Also you tried to buddy up to me, dk, and ja in one of your first posts, and changed tact while under pressure. I said when i voted this morning i wanted to see what sort of train jumped up against your own and lo we have another voter for you with a long train building and gem and tapper on board early. veng seems lsingle midned and i think i know him well enough that its due to the style of laces posting that has done it.

the dude has also taken your tact morgo and is sayign he doesnt think ia m the killer, but then he would know as i am not on his team, but its the similar tactics being used by you two that have me nervous.

gotta go for a while, muse and comment please.

Huh. I never said you were a symp because you didn't respond. Where did you get that idea?

No, your case on me hasnt changed much. It is still a day one case with very little in the way of content which you've pushed mercylessly even though you should be as clueless as the rest of us. You're too certain DiBs. That's why I've said I consider you a symp. You don't even seem to take in other arguments regarding me or others, you just buldoze ahead with the Morgoth is guilty and seem to hope enough sheep will jump in to assist you.

And for fucks sake, are we still on the spoiler heaven comment? What is the big deal? It was a comment written in good faith and with little relation to the game tied into it, and I don't see how that can be the basis for an argument, or even an important factor.

I can't say I've changed tactic under pressure. How exactly do you mean? Do you mean that I started writing serious posts when the game turned serious? Is that your argument? You seem to have decided early that I am a killer and then grope for whatever argument you can find, no matter how weak, hoping that if you just say it enough times, people will start believeing it.

There's but one role in this game that can be certain of anything, and that is the symp. Not even the killers can go for whomever as they must be carefull not to hit their symp. The symp however knows whom his masters are, and thus can jump onto anyone without danger of targeting someone he should not target. That seems to me to be what DiBs is doing. The last two days have been focused a lot on me, and that is more or less solely the work of DiBs, and to a lesser extent, Yellow. The situation has been perfect for the killers, who have been able to, quite easily, to hide inside the discussion. Right now, DiBs seems to be the killers best friend. Mind you, this also applies to Lace to an extent, but not to the level it does DiBs.

DiBs

OMGUS

You seem to be ignoring the facts mate. There were votes on you, first mine, then lace, then alt. Alt got lynched by a sudden train, i joined because i wanted to know why everyone suddenly jumped away from you as possible onto him and if he had been guilty i would have dropped the case on you as no way killers would sacrifice one for the other, when night was likely without a lynch.

day 2 starts and i examined th enight kill, looked at the voting and figured you were still my top suspect. I am looking at other players i have made cases on both tapper and lisheo and commented on veng, ja and gem. The fact is that when you hit two notes a few of the player swho came on day 1 to rescue you did so again today. Now either they have decided to use you as a patsy, which is possible, or they are protecting you because they are on your team. Being inno i dont know who is in my team and therefore when i see relationships developing i act upon them.

Its not short sighted, and i aint symping anyone, who else has been under pressure? I think lace should be modkilled, personally i disliked the comment toward veng (thus am clouded slightly by the voting of veng as i feel its justified) and i also dislike the abuse delivered to yourself. That will not stop me following against who i think is my top suspectm you.

If you dont think the trains running two days away from yourself after voting pressure is odd, then say so, but your argument that i am a symp for going after my main suspect is weak. I always go for my suspects, i am liek a mountie and you are my #1

I have no problems seeing that the change of lynch train comes across as suspicious, but I have no reason to believe anyone did that to protect me for other reasons than that they thought the case on me was too weak. Some of those same people have indeed defended me again today, but as the case on me today is the same case as it was last day, hardly makes that surprising.

Yes, you speckle your posts with comments about other cases, but your focus remains on me, ever it seems, unchanging. That is a certainty that makes me suspicious. If you don't find that enough reason for me to consider you a symp, well that's hardly surprising. I don't find your reasons for calling me a killer particularly persuasive either.

[Morgoth]

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 12:20 PM, said:

Morgoth, on Oct 20 2008, 11:14 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 12:06 PM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 20 2008, 11:02 AM, said:

I gave my quote a few posts above that one, DiBs. It was less strong than I thought, and I commented on that. I'll dig it up from the bowels of this thread

the reason i dont swap votes to you tapper is because in a game like this its likely to see people being fake symped, i am suspicious of you, but the votes on morgo caused the reactions and if there wasnt something there, the rush to vote of alt instead wouldnt have been so strong or forced. I didnt see this defence he talked of either, so he can repost it or direct me to it.

If you can alleviate my suspicions then do so, but i didnt notice the posts you are mentioning.

The reaction you talk about is basically people voting for Alt instead right? Did it ever occur to you that people turned because they found your case on me, and for that matter that of yellow, to be laughably weak? Is it maybe possible that people not voting for me did not in fact have sinister intentions but rather did not agree with you?

It doesn't seem to have crossed your mind

of course it crossed my mind, which is why when i voted you this morning i wanted to see who did what and why i am making my suspicions on lisheo and tapper clear. You could be being used as a patsy, having lines drawn about you by other players so we butt heads. You have two votes, why are you so defensive? Its highly unlikely you will be lynched today, yet you are accusing me of being dangerously single minded when that is not the case.

I'm being so defensive, if you chose to call it that, because I know you and I know this game. Give another two votes on a train led by you and there'll be damn little I can do to stop you all from lynching me. So, I decide to respond to all your allegations now, and I try my best to show why I find them weak. Sure, you can probably tied this into the acts of a killer, or a symp, but you can also see it as an innocent who do not want to be lynched early when there are much better candidates available.

[drinksinbars]

well if the lynch on lace goes through and he comes up inno, if i vote for you again tomorrow will i get a train runn over me and i come up inno is it then that people might think soemthing is fishy about you? All we really have to go on is how people vote. You think i am a symp, but i must be symping someone off the radar because i am not taking pressure off the vocal players, and very few others playing have been looked at.

Obdi is nearly none existant and many players (mocker for example) have barely been mentioned though they are posting heavily. If i am a symp, who do you think is my master?

Calling someone symp as well and voting for them is redundant - and you know that. If i was a symp i would come up inno, so a lynch on me wouldnt give any info. Do you not have a suspect for killer?

[Morgoth]

Tapper, on Oct 20 2008, 09:27 AM, said:

@ JA about Lace being an unexperienced killer: unless he is out there on his own (in which case he has my sympathy), he still has a partner who may be less afraid of lynching a possible symp. It was DiBs who attacked Morgoth (who else? )

I also see this as part of the problem. It's easy to shrug away us locking horns as the result of this board's longest running feud (yes I am kind of proud ), but when all is said and done neither DiBs nor I have gone for each other just as a result of the feud. We both want to win the game after all.

[drinksinbars]

and you arent even discussing the players i am putting pressure on inr egards to how they are acting toward you. What do you thinko f my symp case on lisheo for example? Or my ascertation that tapper is partnered to you? I am not mentioning the dude as they havent been on and i am not rude enough to try and lynch someone when they cant defend themselves and i will wait to see what they come up with before making my mind up on them.

so tapper and lisheo, with an outside on gem??? any thoughts

[drinksinbars]

Morgoth, on Oct 20 2008, 11:47 AM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 20 2008, 09:27 AM, said:

@ JA about Lace being an unexperienced killer: unless he is out there on his own (in which case he has my sympathy), he still has a partner who may be less afraid of lynching a possible symp. It was DiBs who attacked Morgoth (who else? )

I also see this as part of the problem. It's easy to shrug away us locking horns as the result of this board's longest running feud (yes I am kind of proud ), but when all is said and done neither DiBs nor I have gone for each other just as a result of the feud. We both want to win the game after all.

this is true - never have we actually put winning the game after our little battles and i wont start now, nor would io expect morgoth to do the same. This is a team game and as such i played for the innos to win. That i think the killer is morgoth is irrelevant.

In response to that quote - if i was a killer, i wouldnt give a monkies about lynching a symp. I actually changed that from a bad word so you see i am learning

[Morgoth]

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 12:45 PM, said:

well if the lynch on lace goes through and he comes up inno, if i vote for you again tomorrow will i get a train runn over me and i come up inno is it then that people might think soemthing is fishy about you? All we really have to go on is how people vote. You think i am a symp, but i must be symping someone off the radar because i am not taking pressure off the vocal players, and very few others playing have been looked at.

Obdi is nearly none existant and many players (mocker for example) have barely been mentioned though they are posting heavily. If i am a symp, who do you think is my master?

Calling someone symp as well and voting for them is redundant - and you know that. If i was a symp i would come up inno, so a lynch on me wouldnt give any info. Do you not have a suspect for killer?

Yes, I do have suspicions. I just ended up responding to your posts first. As for who I think are your masters: A good symp does not sym his master directly, he acts in a way that pulls attention away from the master wthout it being obvious. Which you certainly could've been doing. You mentioned Mocker yes, and then there's dk (who's playing a very different game from his usual one), and Silencer. I'm planning to make a case on dk when I have the time today, but I dunno if that'll convince you.